Pretty awesome, and the city will be called Stalingrad on historic days. Wait so if i order something in Stalingrad that day and it doesn't come that day fucking mail systems will be like "wheres stalingrad?" :v:
Glorious Stalin Day to you all!
[QUOTE=sedarahC;39427705]Glorious Stalin Day to you all![/QUOTE]
Have a glorious medal for your glorious announcement!
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stalin was kind of a dick
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he sent one of my grandfathers to a gulag and starved him to death
grandmother was sent to siberia and died there
other grandfather died "mysteriously in the woods of a heart attack" with a bullet in his head
other grandmother was sent to siberia too but survived and came back
wait why is there a picture of the battle of berlin on a bus commemorating stalingrad?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39427734]wait why is there a picture of the battle of berlin on a bus commemorating stalingrad?[/QUOTE]
Because they conquered Berlin under Stalin's name. Its 70th the anniversary of one of the bloodiest battles in history. That picture represents the end of WW2 in Europe and most importantly, victory.
[quote]A bus with a picture of Iosef Stalin. (RIA Novosti / Alexandr Kryazhev)[/quote]
Ah yes, Good old comrade Iosef.
[QUOTE=laserguided;39427728]Have a glorious medal for your glorious announcement![/QUOTE]
be careful someone doesn't go stalin it
Stalin was a terrible man and did practically nothing to help win the War which wouldn't already be done by a normal leader.
Purging the most of the militairy top was just one of his enormous blunders, idolizing him is naive.
[QUOTE=PatrickT;39427815]Stalin was a terrible man and did practically nothing to help win the War which wouldn't already be done by a normal leader.
Purging the most of the militairy top was just one of his enormous blunders, idolizing him is naive.[/QUOTE]
'no retreat' orders and mass industrialization.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39427775]be careful someone doesn't go stalin it[/QUOTE]
Now why would you go russian to conclusions like that?
[QUOTE=laserguided;39427844]'no retreat' orders and mass industrialization.[/QUOTE]
Do you even know how he accomplished the mass industrialization?
And to say to your soldiers (that were usually not more than untrained conscripts) that retreating would result in their deaths is not something that requires much effort at all. And sending untrained soldiers into battle without the option for them to fight another day is throwing them away.
[QUOTE=PatrickT;39427922]Do you even know how he accomplished the mass industrialization?
And to say to your soldiers (that were usually not more than untrained conscripts) that retreating would result in their deaths is not something that requires much effort at all. And sending untrained soldiers into battle without the option for them to fight another day is throwing them away.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and if they weren't as industrialized as they were they would have lost. Stalin didn't exactly care for life and thus 'Not one step back!" was put to enforcement and in a lot of cases it worked because the Germans were under-supplied and overwhelmed.
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The battle of Stalingrad was the turning point in the war and ultimately led to victory in 1945.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;39427880]Now why would you go russian to conclusions like that?[/QUOTE]
If he does, soviet.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;39428374]The notion that most Soviet soldiers were 'untrained conscripts' is a myth.[/QUOTE] there was a conscription in the ussr, but it dates back years before 1941. there was also a draft in the united states during ww2 but we don't stereotype american soldiers as untrained conscripts during ww2. nah, the soviets trained their soldiers. it doesn't make sense to just pull out civilians and put them in front of the enemy to the massacred; not from any strategic point of view. btw. this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ3bzg-Tvt4[/media] is NOT an accurate portrayal of the soviet army.
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there were deathsquads, but i think those were mostly comprised of prisoners who were to be executed for various reasons anyways.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39428533]there were deathsquads, but i think those were mostly comprised of prisoners who were to be executed for various reasons anyways.[/QUOTE]
Yep. They were penal battalions, stated to be comprised of mostly criminals, deserters, and other scum, but under Stalinist Russia that definition expanded to include far more soldiers than would be reasonable or logical.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;39428374]The notion that most Soviet soldiers were 'untrained conscripts' is a myth.[/QUOTE]
that is absolutely not a myth, if you would actually look at the historical documentation you would see that at the start of the war the red army was pretty much in ruins, the old generals were executed, they completely scrapped the mechanized divisions, over 70% of their hardware was outdated etc etc
only in the second half of the war did the soviets manage to step their game up and produce weapons and tech that was comparable, and at times even better than german weapons and technology
the people were quickly recruited and given only the most basic training, the amazing thing was that the people were extraordinarily patriotic, after the first speech and declaration of war was broadcast on the radio, some 200k people showed up to volunteer, this continued thought most of the war.
they were given only the most basic of training and quickly thrown onto the front lines.
[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;39428594]Yep. They were penal battalions, stated to be comprised of mostly criminals, deserters, and other scum, but under Stalinist Russia that definition expanded to include far more soldiers than would be reasonable or logical.[/QUOTE] i dont penal battalions are reasonable or logical anyways, so yea.
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[QUOTE=Turing;39428621]that is absolutely not a myth, if you would actually look at the historical documentation you would see that at the start of the war the red army was pretty much in ruins, the old generals were executed, they completely scrapped the mechanized divisions, over 70% of their hardware was outdated etc etc only in the second half of the war did the soviets manage to step their game up and produce weapons and tech that was comparable, and at times even better than german weapons and technology the people were quickly recruited and given only the most basic training, the amazing thing was that the people were extraordinarily patriotic, after the first speech and declaration of war was broadcast on the radio, some 200k people showed up to volunteer, this continued thought most of the war. they were given only the most basic of training and quickly thrown onto the front lines.[/QUOTE] do you got a source? how was red army conscript training much different then american conscript training? also the soviets did produce a lot of shit, certainly enough to outfit their soldiers properly. i mean the battle of moscow would have gone much differently if the soviets weren't so better geared than the germans.
Why are they celebrating a man who was on par with Hitler?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39428773]Why are they celebrating a man who was on par with Hitler?[/QUOTE]
This is marking the "Battle of Stalingrad". The only thing Stalin about it is that he has his face on a bus.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39428533]it doesn't make sense to just pull out civilians and put them in front of the enemy to the massacred; not from any strategic point of view.[/QUOTE]
when did something not making strategic sense stop the russians lol
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_of_Trotskyist_Anti-Soviet_Military_Organization[/url]
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stalin had already shown he didn't give much of a shit about marching millions of innocent people on a one-way trip to siberia, all he had to do was make them go on a one-way trip in the other direction
This is honestly pretty cool. Celebrating the past even if it was during a darker time. They're not just ignoring it and pretending it didn't happen and are celebrating some of the positive aspects of it.
This arouses zero emotion in me. It's just a shame a man and his empire, both evil and brutal to the core, are receiving any kind of celebration at all. The picture that to you symbolizes the conclusion of another World War is to many-many others nothing more than the casting of their fate, a cruel one. And thus began more than half-century of masked genocide and oppression.
It's good to know the Big Boys were fighting for freedom and liberty.
Khrushchev must be rolling on his grave.
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[QUOTE=laserguided;39427980]thus 'Not one step back!" was put to enforcement and in a lot of cases it worked because the Germans were under-supplied and overwhelmed.[/QUOTE]
And yet the Germans reached all the way up to the outskirts of Moscow. Stalin is doing what Hitler is also doing, intervening on military matters.
would be better if it was an IS tank with stalin's face on it
[QUOTE=redhaven;39429650]Khrushchev must be rolling on his grave.
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And yet the Germans reached all the way up to the outskirts of Moscow. Stalin is doing what Hitler is also doing, intervening on military matters.[/QUOTE]
Khruschev was a massive hypocrite
[QUOTE=Raidyr;39427880]Now why would you go russian to conclusions like that?[/QUOTE]
Sure you don't want me lenin you a hand with all these soviet puns?
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