Russia Makes Electric Car Charging Facilities at Gas Stations Mandatory
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[QUOTE]Gas stations all across Russia have been ordered to adapt their facilities to provide chargers for the country's electric vehicles — which number just a few hundred in total.
Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree on Aug. 27 requiring the owners of gas stations to equip their facilities with chargers for electric cars by Nov. 1, 2016, according to a copy of the document published on the official government website last Monday.
The measure, according to the statement, is aimed at boosting the production and use of more environmentally friendly cars, which have so far proved highly unpopular among Russians.
But experts warn it will only result in additional costs for companies running gas stations and say the government has failed to offer palpable incentives for motorists to choose more eco-friendly cars.
About 500 electric cars have been sold in total in Russia, according to Andrei Toptun, head of the Autostat car market research agency.
On Thursday, out of nearly 60,000 used cars on sale in Moscow on the popular website auto.ru, only 18 were electric cars, 13 of which were U.S. brand Teslas with price tags ranging from about $60,000 to $180,500.
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Source: [url]http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-gas-stations-ordered-to-provide-chargers-for-electric-cars/529411.html[/url]
Ah good old fashioned blind centralized planning.
while its a good idea if you have absolutely no electric car market and no exact idea on the types of electric cars on the market you are just wasting resources and money. Here in the US for example charging standards were very arbitrary until a couple cars started outselling others then they finally standardised around two to three standards that are easy to impliment
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Also they run the risk of totally committing to one standard and then when technology advances to the point that that standard becomes obsolete they will be holding the tech back or the standard is inadequate to begin with and it holds the market back from the start
[QUOTE=Sableye;48639075]Ah good old fashioned blind centralized planning.
while its a good idea if you have absolutely no electric car market and no exact idea on the types of electric cars on the market you are just wasting resources and money. Here in the US for example charging standards were very arbitrary until a couple cars started outselling others then they finally standardised around two to three standards that are easy to impliment[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say it's exactly standardised. Tesla cars will work with tons different adapters I think. As long as they don't do something revolutionary with the adapters they are using it will be fine. They will most likely use the same ones as everywhere else in the world.
A big reason people don't buy electric cars is because they can't charge them easily. This will hopefully solve that. Tesla wouldn't do nearly as well without the Supercharger network, which isn't in Russia.
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Also they run the risk of totally committing to one standard and then when technology advances to the point that that standard becomes obsolete they will be holding the tech back or the standard is inadequate to begin with and it holds the market back from the start
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Well yes and no. They could build less than ideal chargers but it's better than nothing and there won't be just one standard everywhere. What kind of charger you have depends on the electric you have available at the location and how much you are willing to invest in it.
They aren't making it mandatory to have one specific type of charger, just A charger. Some places will have shit ones and some places will have good ones.
[QUOTE=Sableye;48639075]Ah good old fashioned blind centralized planning.
while its a good idea if you have absolutely no electric car market and no exact idea on the types of electric cars on the market you are just wasting resources and money. Here in the US for example charging standards were very arbitrary until a couple cars started outselling others then they finally standardised around two to three standards that are easy to impliment
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Also they run the risk of totally committing to one standard and then when technology advances to the point that that standard becomes obsolete they will be holding the tech back or the standard is inadequate to begin with and it holds the market back from the start[/QUOTE]
This is a horrible, backwards attitude. One of the reasons for the lack of electric cars is the lack of chargers - the only way to solve this kind of chicken and egg problem is to swallow the initial costs and invest in the infrastructure.
[QUOTE=r0b0tsquid;48639479]This is a horrible, backwards attitude. One of the reasons for the lack of electric cars is the lack of chargers - the only way to solve this kind of chicken and egg problem is to swallow the initial costs and invest in the infrastructure.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Electric car manufacturers selling their cars in Russia would be stupid not to support the most popular charger(s) in Russia by at least including an adapter. This is a really good move.
[QUOTE=Sableye;48639075]Also they run the risk of totally committing to one standard and then when technology advances to the point that that standard becomes obsolete they will be holding the tech back or the standard is inadequate to begin with and it holds the market back from the start[/QUOTE]
"Uhm yes, dmitri, hello? Yeah, this car charger charges cars with a wire, what am I supposed to do with it?"
"I do not know sergei, all the chargers of today use a living squid machine that connects itself with a tentacle, what an odd idea it is to have electricity up and down a wire."
[QUOTE=01271;48639716]"Uhm yes, dmitri, hello? Yeah, this car charger charges cars with a wire, what am I supposed to do with it?"
"I do not know sergei, all the chargers of today use a living squid machine that connects itself with a tentacle, what an odd idea it is to have electricity up and down a wire."[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;uMM0lRfX6YI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI[/video]
[QUOTE=Morgen;48639113]I wouldn't say it's exactly standardised. Tesla cars will work with tons different adapters I think. As long as they don't do something revolutionary with the adapters they are using it will be fine. They will most likely use the same ones as everywhere else in the world.
A big reason people don't buy electric cars is because they can't charge them easily. This will hopefully solve that. Tesla wouldn't do nearly as well without the Supercharger network, which isn't in Russia.
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There isn't an official standard, but there is an accepted standard which electric car manufacturers use. The [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772] SAE J1772.[/url] (in the United States) There's also more proprietary ones that are gaining use like the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHAdeMO]CHAdeMO[/url]. The Nissan Leaf for example, has both charge ports.
It would be far more convenient if gas stations had an area where EV's could park and connect to a generic high voltage outlet with their vehicles appropriate adapter. I'm sure in the future we'll have to come up with an international standard.
For the Tesla guys, they get the benefit of proprietary Superchargers, and they can basically adapt to anything, even basic US household outlets. Worst case scenario, you could always ask someone very politely if you could use their outdoor plug in for enough time to get you down the road.
There's also a lot more public and private charging areas than people think: [url]http://www.plugshare.com/[/url] The problem is they're just not as visible as gas stations. Which is half the point of the Tesla Superchargers:
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/LVWKTZk.jpg[/img_thumb]
Make them highly visible, just like gas stations, and have them in places where people like to go (shopping centers, etc) So people don't feel like they're going to be spending an hour in a shady parking lot sucking from a wall outlet on the other side of town.
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