World War Two; Who Won it? - General

Found a quote floating around in another thread, and I'd like to hear some peoples opinions on it. If you ever studied World War Two in your history classes, you might have heard about the Battle of Stalingrad. In this battle, the Germans and thier Axis allies attempted to conquer Russia (or at least a bit of it). Joseph Stalin, however, was not happy, particulary when they took the city named after him. Since he was feared more than death, the Rusians threw themselves at the Germans, and kicked the living shit out of them. By the end of the "battle" 841,000 Axis soldiers were dead. (The Russians lost just over a million, so it was something of a Phyrric victory.) Hitler's Sixth Army was wiped out. So by the time of the D-Day landings, the Germans just didn't have enough soldiers left to properly man the beaches. Another problem was (for the Germans at least) was that Hitler was going a bit batshit. It's reckoned that his spies did find out that the Allies were landing, but he never believed them and strung out his army across the entire coast. He then failed to mobilise his Panzer division. There's shedloads more here: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Path_to_defeat[/url] So, for those of you who are intelligent enough not to put TL;DR, my question is: Why does America claim it saved us during WWII? When it was mostly the Rusians, who were, in fact, communist. PS. This is not nation-hate; this is a physcological, sociological and historical question, meant to quel my curiosity.

Because America prevented Communists from controlling Germany and the land it controlled.

Simply because, without the American's help, D-Day would not have happened, and we would have been most likely, invaded.

The blue won.

Winners of WW2: Finland, Russia (won Germany, lost Finland) The worst loser of WW2: Germany, lost to two countries in the same war.

We won it together. No one country can claim they won.

The Allies. It's kind of obvious, I mean you don't see Germany trying to take over all of Europe anymore, at least I hope you don't.

Allies won. Axis lost. Simple as that.

This thread is going to be a complete trainwreck but basically, no one knows whether we would've won without America or not. Maybe Russia would've kicked some ass maybe not. We'll never know.

Dammit Valdor ¬¬ Then smurfy breaks my automerge... Today is not my day

Lol russians so cool amirite

[QUOTE=QwertySecond;15905830]Found a quote floating around in another thread, and I'd like to hear some peoples opinions on it. If you ever studied World War Two in your history classes, you might have heard about the Battle of Stalingrad. In this battle, the Germans and thier Axis allies attempted to conquer Russia (or at least a bit of it). Joseph Stalin, however, was not happy, particulary when they took the city named after him. Since he was feared more than death, the Rusians threw themselves at the Germans, and kicked the living shit out of them. By the end of the "battle" 841,000 Axis soldiers were dead. (The Russians lost just over a million, so it was something of a Phyrric victory.) Hitler's Sixth Army was wiped out. So by the time of the D-Day landings, the Germans just didn't have enough soldiers left to properly man the beaches. Another problem was (for the Germans at least) was that Hitler was going a bit batshit. It's reckoned that his spies did find out that the Allies were landing, but he never believed them and strung out his army across the entire coast. He then failed to mobilise his Panzer division. There's shedloads more here: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Path_to_defeat[/url] So, for those of you who are intelligent enough not to put TL;DR, my question is: Why does America claim it saved us during WWII? When it was mostly the Rusians, who were, in fact, communist. PS. This is not nation-hate; this is a physcological, sociological and historical question, meant to quel my curiosity.[/QUOTE] Well America helped divide Germany's resources and fields. Without American aid Britain would have fallen. After Britain the Germans could have focused more forces into Russia. America helped unbalance things. Now I myself being Russian am hurt to take away our pride but the matter of fact is that without America's aid, to everyone, including Russia, it would have been a helluva lot more difficult to get shit done.

[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;15905937]Allies won. Axis lost. Simple as that.[/QUOTE] This. The Allied powers defeated the Axis powers, and the Axis powers surrendered to the UN.

Russia took the brunt of almost all of the German army because the Germans couldn't gain air superiority over England. The Americans helped DDay but the German's defeat was inevitable with the fall of Kursk. Also, it is commonly said (though not with certainty) that the German attack on Russia was preemptive because Stalin was likely planning an invasion. He trusted Hitler too much and as a result when they were attacked he was unprepared.

America basically turned the whole thing around and enabled the Russians to conquer us in the first place. There wasn't really one winner, there we're multiple winners. Hell, even we won because we got rid of that furious mad man. Only the frenchies lost as usual: They got conquered by Germany and lost all their dignity left by crying to mommeh for help.

Switzerland.

I've wondered this too. America helped save Europe, though by the time the US had become involved in the European war and D-Day, Hitlers invasion of Britain was over, and they had lost (mainly due to their choice to take Stalingrad so they could get more oil to fuel the war, they got slaughtered and couldn't launch another assault on the UK.) Berlin itself was invaded by the Russians. However, America (along with Canada and Britain) played a large part in liberating France and other parts of Europe. The UK also bought supplies from the US, and also exchanged them for technologies such as Radar.

[QUOTE=nunu;15905913]We won it together. No one country can claim they won.[/QUOTE] lol. Finland wasn't fighting against Allies. We was fighting only against Russia. And we won them.

Canada. Canada did everything. Everyone else just sat there, like what the fuck...

[QUOTE=Doug52392;15905860]Because America prevented Communists from controlling Germany and the land it controlled.[/QUOTE] Not quite.. the U.S. virtually handed Germany to the Russians on a silver platter. Then that whole ordeal of West and East hit the fan. Then as we all know came the Wall.

If you were going on numbers alone then technically Germany won since they lost fewer people. Whoever disagrees is an idiot, look up the casualties.

Canada. Canada did everything. Everyone else just sat there, like what the fuck...

No one won WW2, in the psychological sense. Even though, holy fuck, we were close to loosing the war.

Techinccaly you could say neither side won due to the fact that they both lost millions of lives. But then again history is decided by the winning side so .... GO AMERICA USA USA USA USA Edit: also the canadians did do a-fucking-lot to help win the war.

[QUOTE=Rhodes;15905997]lol. Finland wasn't fighting against Allies. We was fighting only against Russia. And we won them.[/QUOTE] You're misinformed. Although the Fins did incredibly well against the Russians considering overwhelming odds, they drew up a peace agreement relinquishing control of a large section of Finland. You would have lost the war with Russia but peace was instated before that could happen as Russia had to deal with a much more adept enemy (Germany)

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I can't believe how many people think that America were the most important power in the war. In my opinion the most important countries were (in this order): Germany, Russia, UK, USA, Japan, Italy and then lots of more minor countries. lol at the Amerifags thinking they were the most important. Hey guys, you REALLY weren't as important as Russia.

It was New Zealand.

Without the US, it would have probably been a Pyrrhic victory.

If you look at the losses you might reconsider who actually lost the war.. [Img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/WorldWarII-DeathsByAlliance-Piechart.png/210px-WorldWarII-DeathsByAlliance-Piechart.png[/Img]