they didn't really create bad breath though some people have some stink ass breath
"Listerine is a successful company with a good marketing department"
okay.
I'd rather have bad breath than that shit haircut.
this series of videos is ironically filled with misinformation, or are made with the purpose of misinforming viewers for the purpose of comedy
it's awful
The first part of the video is idiotic. Just because something was being used as a floor cleaner doesn't make it disgusting. Like I drink water daily even though I also use it to wash my feet and flush my shit.
Then I guess Listerine used people's insecurities but they didn't "create bad breath".
[QUOTE=vodka quest;49036069]this series of videos is ironically filled with misinformation, or are made with the purpose of misinforming viewers for the purpose of comedy
it's awful[/QUOTE]
You can't write off all the videos. This one in particular was a bit dumb though.
this Adam "ruins" hoodwinking is progressively devolving into criticizing anything to do with a corporation, no matter how benign it may actually be.
Listerine can prove itself useful for some individuals, and them employing a marketing team do create demand is actually more interesting than a negative.
As far as the reading of those adverts go, you can make anything sound bad if the correct emphasis in the wrong places is applied.
[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;49035949]I'd rather have bad breath than that shit haircut.[/QUOTE]
having bad breath is actually a lot worse than that shit haircut tbh
the whole concept of "creating bad breath" is comparable to soap companies creating filth. I think we objectively react against both bad and good breath. No Listerine for that.
[QUOTE=autodesknoob;49036462]the whole concept of "creating bad breath" is comparable to soap companies creating filth. I think we objectively react against both bad and good breath. No Listerine for that.[/QUOTE]
while it's sensationalized to hell and back in the video, i get the idea. they didn't create bad breath, they created the issue of bad breath, aka they made people worry about something they didn't worry about before
which as someone already said, is just good marketing, but still fairly interesting imo
Stigmatized bad breath seems like a better way to put it than created, I think
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49037273]while it's sensationalized to hell and back in the video, i get the idea. they didn't create bad breath, they created the issue of bad breath, aka they made people worry about something they didn't worry about before
which as someone already said, is just good marketing, but still fairly interesting imo[/QUOTE]
The idea of, at some point, the majority of people on this planet didn't care that other peoples' or their own breath smelled like literal shit is very, very strange to me.
Like even if I lived in the age before the conception of Listerine I think I would deeply care if I smelled turds or something else of mild equal stank value every time someone opened their mouth in my direction.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49037273]while it's sensationalized to hell and back in the video, i get the idea. they didn't create bad breath, they created the issue of bad breath, aka they made people worry about something they didn't worry about before
which as someone already said, is just good marketing, but still fairly interesting imo[/QUOTE]
People obviously cared about smells for much longer than the existence of listerine since perfumes have been around for several thousand years
There used to be a time where people never took baths as they thought dirt and crass was a very efficient screen against diseases and they instead doused in perfume to not smell like a rotting corpse
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;49037376]The idea of, at some point, the majority of people on this planet didn't care that other peoples' or their own breath smelled like literal shit is very, very strange to me.
Like even if I lived in the age before the conception of Listerine I think I would deeply care if I smelled turds or something else of mild equal stank value every time someone opened their mouth in my direction.[/QUOTE]
the idea isn't that they didn't care at all but that they didn't care enough to buy a product for it. but making up a new fancy term to get people doubting whether they should care more about their breath changed that
i dont really get what criticisms this video is trying to level that are actually relevant anymore
The name "ruins" limits what the show can talk about.
It should be called "informed" for broader range. Even that tipping video didn't ruin tipping, it just demonstrated that relying on tipping alone to make your wage is generally a negative, and both can coincide with one another.
not once was that proposed.
I don't understand the issue you lot are taking with this.
He is pointing out, accurately, that something nobody thought twice about was converted into something people were self conscious of, by a marketing campaign.
We do not, objectively, react to almost any odor, fecal matter included. The US military tried, many years ago, to develop a stink bomb that could be air deployed and would serve as a non lethal area denial weapon. They failed because they not only couldn't produce a stench that upset all humans at a basic level, but they couldn't even make a stench that worked for MOST people. Stench, like bad breath, is socially constructed.
Dunno. I find all of this mass manipulation interesting.
How the motor industry demonized free-to-walk roads with [B]Jay[/B]walking to get cars a monopoly on the road and how big tobacco used feminism to get women to smoke is quite fascinating stuff.
[editline]2nd November 2015[/editline]
Its pretty obvious that they didn't literally invent bad breath and the video isn't trying to say that they literally did.
Everybody is ignoring the fucking giant pillar of support for his argument (Listerine invented the term "Halitosis" as a marketing tactic).
They fucking didn't: [url]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/halitosis[/url]
[quote]New Latin, from Latin halitus breath, from halare to breathe — more at exhale
First Known Use: [b]1874[/b][/quote]
Even then, how it goes on about how "Listerine created bad breath" ignores all of the written records going back to classical antiquity complaining about "bad breath" and various remedies on treating it.
Like this entire video is just bullshit. Trash it.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49038194]I don't understand the issue you lot are taking with this.
He is pointing out, accurately, that something nobody thought twice about was converted into something people were self conscious of, by a marketing campaign.
We do not, objectively, react to almost any odor, fecal matter included. The US military tried, many years ago, to develop a stink bomb that could be air deployed and would serve as a non lethal area denial weapon. They failed because they not only couldn't produce a stench that upset all humans at a basic level, but they couldn't even make a stench that worked for MOST people. Stench, like bad breath, is socially constructed.[/QUOTE]
I'll have to disagree here.
The smell of someone with truly bad breath is a major turnoff. Its a sign of major dental problems and lack of self maintenance. Later in the video it depicted Listerine fondling money in an evil manner, and I find it bullshit that any form of selling a product that may or may nor be needed puts you in the same class as a stereotypical evil corporation.
Instead of focusing on a mouth product, they should focus on things like Monsanto and its dubious claims of helping all farmers, etc.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49038194]Stench, like bad breath, is socially constructed.[/QUOTE]
This is hilariously ridiculous sounding, sounds like something you'd see screenshotted off tumblr. Despite the interesting historical anecdote saying bad smells are a social construct is a stretch. There is absolutely a general consensus on things that smell bad and things that don't. You'd be hard pressed to find the average person who is totally okay with smelling shit or making out with someone who has bad breath.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49038194]Stench, like bad breath, is socially constructed.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, now i don't have to shower any more!
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49038228]Everybody is ignoring the fucking giant pillar of support for his argument (Listerine invented the term "Halitosis" as a marketing tactic).
They fucking didn't: [url]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/halitosis[/url]
Even then, how it goes on about how "Listerine created bad breath" ignores all of the written records going back to classical antiquity complaining about "bad breath" and various remedies on treating it.
Like this entire video is just bullshit. Trash it.[/QUOTE]
I did a little looking around and it seems like the word "halitosis" was definitely used before the Listerine advertising campaigns, but only as an obscure medical word. Listerine brought it into the public sphere as a common problem that people might need a solution for.
So while the video definitely over exaggerated it, the fundamental point still exists.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49038294]So while the video definitely over exaggerated it, the fundamental point still exists.[/QUOTE]
Not really, in all honesty.
Even if it did, the main point if benign and fairly pointless.
[QUOTE=Socram;49038250]This is hilariously ridiculous sounding, sounds like something you'd see screenshotted off tumblr. Despite the interesting historical anecdote saying bad smells are a social construct is a stretch. There is absolutely a general consensus on things that smell bad and things that don't. You'd be hard pressed to find the average person who is totally okay with smelling shit or making out with someone who has bad breath.[/QUOTE]
if everybody had rank breath or stank like shit than nobody would care because nobody would really notice it as being something out of the ordinary. the human mind adapts really well to stimulus regularly contacted. people who work in sewers or with sewage get used to the smell over time, making it seem like it doesn't smell as bad. at my job i have to deal with rotting meat, which used to make me gag. now i don't even flinch at the whiff of it.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49038194]I don't understand the issue you lot are taking with this.
He is pointing out, accurately, that something nobody thought twice about was converted into something people were self conscious of, by a marketing campaign.
We do not, objectively, react to almost any odor, fecal matter included. The US military tried, many years ago, to develop a stink bomb that could be air deployed and would serve as a non lethal area denial weapon. They failed because they not only couldn't produce a stench that upset all humans at a basic level, but they couldn't even make a stench that worked for MOST people. Stench, like bad breath, is socially constructed.[/QUOTE]
you might not be able to weaponize some dude's bad breath but it doesn't stop it from being 'bad'
[QUOTE=GunFox;49038194]I don't understand the issue you lot are taking with this.
He is pointing out, accurately, that something nobody thought twice about was converted into something people were self conscious of, by a marketing campaign.
We do not, objectively, react to almost any odor, fecal matter included. The US military tried, many years ago, to develop a stink bomb that could be air deployed and would serve as a non lethal area denial weapon. They failed because they not only couldn't produce a stench that upset all humans at a basic level, but they couldn't even make a stench that worked for MOST people. Stench, like bad breath, is socially constructed.[/QUOTE]
Socially constructed or genetically informed?
Pretty sure it's largely the latter
the mongols never washed their clothes or even themselves. it is very likely that they stank to high heavens, at least to us. and yet, if it were something that truly bothered them they most likely would have done something about it. not saying that not washing is good (its freaking gross) but people can and do get acclimated to smells and it is entirely possible for bad breath to be something a culture ignores. since there are obvious health benefits and we have the ability to, it is still a good and great idea to keep your hygiene, both dental and otherwise, up
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