(U.S.) Generals say women should have to register for draft - Polidicks

[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/news/generals-say-women-should-have-to-register-for-draft/]Source[/url] [quote=] The top Army and Marine Corps generals told senators Tuesday that it will take up to three years to fully integrate women into all combat jobs, [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/news/defense-chief-announces-all-combat-roles-will-open-up-to-women/]which are now all open to them[/url], and that women should also have to register for the draft. The military service leaders say they will not lower standards to bring women into the more grueling jobs. But they warned that inherent physical differences and different injury rates between men and women will have an impact on how the integration moves ahead. . . . After the Pentagon ordered all branches of the military to integrate their ground combat units by the end of last year, or explain why women can't do the job, the Marine Corps conducted an experiment to help determine whether women should fight on the front lines. The results showed that in almost every area, the all-male units performed significantly better than those with both men and women Marines. . . . The top Army and Marine Corps generals told senators Tuesday that it will take up to three years to fully integrate women into all combat jobs, which are now all open to them, and that women should also have to register for the draft. The military service leaders say they will not lower standards to bring women into the more grueling jobs. But they warned that inherent physical differences and different injury rates between men and women will have an impact on how the integration moves ahead. . . . Carter's order to allow women to compete for combat posts opens the final 10 percent of military positions to women - a total of about 220,000 jobs. And it allows them to serve in the most demanding and difficult jobs, including as special operations forces, such as the Army Delta units and Navy SEALs. While Milley and Neller told the Senate Armed Services Committee that women should be included in the requirement to register for the selective service at age 18, Mabus and Army Acting Secretary Patrick Murphy would only say that the issue should be discussed.[/quote] This better at the very least make it to congress.

equality must succeed

I would argue that if we're opening up a lot if not all roles to women, this is entirely fair.

the military has to be 50/50 men/women otherwise it's unequal. just like corporate board rooms and university enrollment. finally the patriarchy will fall

I agree,

The vast majority of military jobs are non-combat so I don't know why this didn't happen sooner. A case was brought against the law in 2013 but dismissed and I can't find the reason why. Glad to see this though. [QUOTE]The military service leaders say they will not lower standards to bring women into the more grueling jobs.[/QUOTE] No more needless fearmongering every time this topic comes up then.

Or maybe we could get rid of the draft

[QUOTE=cody8295;49660001]Or maybe we could get rid of the draft[/QUOTE] You say that like people just get randomly dragged off and forced to be soldiers during a time of non total war The draft exist as a sort of last resort, when all the people who wanted to join have joined/died and they need more people

I can see it now, people saying this is crazy and demanding selective equality only when it benefits them more. This should definitely be a thing, don't know why it hasn't been pushed harder before.

It hasn't been pushed too hard recently since the draft isn't really a high priority, we're in no short supply of soldiers. If we were to start thinking about enacting the draft again, there'd be a lot of revision of its rules. The only somewhat valid reason to not draft women would be the age-old "female lives are more valuable because they can give birth" and all that, but that's not really much of an issue in modern society.

Yeah my guess is that this just hasn't been a high priority for congress because an actual draft is so unlikely. I'd be shocked if it doesn't get near unanimous approval should it actually come up.

While I agree that this is equatable maybe we shouldn't have the draft in the first place

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49659875]The vast majority of military jobs are non-combat so I don't know why this didn't happen sooner. A case was brought against the law in 2013 but dismissed and I can't find the reason why. Glad to see this though. No more needless fearmongering every time this topic comes up then.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this, the US selective service hasn't been updated in decades anyways, updating it to reflect the current military doesn't seem unreasonable [editline]2nd February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=phygon;49660328]While I agree that this is equatable maybe we shouldn't have the draft in the first place[/QUOTE] It's more to have the system in place than anything else, its not intrusive at all, just fill out a card

[QUOTE=phygon;49660328]While I agree that this is equatable maybe we shouldn't have the draft in the first place[/QUOTE] As a male between the ages of 18-25 I feel comfortable knowing that there is a system in place to mobilize the citizenry of my country as an absolute last resort.

[QUOTE=phygon;49660328]maybe we shouldn't have the draft in the first place[/QUOTE] The chance of a draft happening in this age is likely near null. Not to mention the numerous ways you can wiggle out of one. You have a lot more to worry about if circumstances do arrive that require a draft.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49660390]As a male between the ages of 18-25 I feel comfortable knowing that there is a system in place to mobilize the citizenry of my country as an absolute last resort.[/QUOTE] If it was abused for wardriving as it was in vietnam it can be abused again.

[QUOTE=phygon;49660457]If it was abused for wardriving as it was in vietnam it can be abused again.[/QUOTE] War has changed to the point where combat that took place in Vietnam very likely won't happen again. The forces across the world are moving to smaller, flexible units capable of rapidly deploying to hotzones, not engaging in years long campaigns of matching bodies to body counts over unnamed hills and valleys.

[QUOTE=cody8295;49660001]Or maybe we could get rid of the draft[/QUOTE] Though inappropriately used during Vietnam (which btw: a majority were volunteers during the war), the Draft would only be used in the case of flat out total war. Literally meaning that "it's hit the fan so hard we cannot win unless we mobilize our entire nation", and with today's military capabilities, we're talking [I]way worse[/I] than World War II.

[QUOTE=RedBaronFlyer;49660035]You say that like people just get randomly dragged off and forced to be soldiers during a time of non total war The draft exist as a sort of last resort, when all the people who wanted to join have joined/died and they need more people[/QUOTE] If you've gotten to the point where you're just dragging bodies in to hopefully slow the enemy down (there's a reason they didn't join before you started drafting, they probably aren't actually up for fights), then you might as well just give the fuck up. People who don't want to be there aren't going to help you. They'll maybe fight enough to survive if you're lucky. The draft is a totally asinine process in a modern standing army that is fully staffed all the time.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49660942]Though inappropriately used during Vietnam (which btw: a majority were volunteers during the war), the Draft would only be used in the case of flat out total war. Literally meaning that "it's hit the fan so hard we cannot win unless we mobilize our entire nation", and with today's military capabilities, we're talking [I]way worse[/I] than World War II.[/QUOTE] The literal gates of hell would have to open and spew forth Satan's legions before a draft could be implemented.

Good, if I'm gonna die in some arid shit hole I at least want to die in an equal gendered environment.

[QUOTE=RedBaronFlyer;49660035]You say that like people just get randomly dragged off and forced to be soldiers during a time of non total war The draft exist as a sort of last resort, when all the people who wanted to join have joined/died and they need more people[/QUOTE] If no one wants to willingly fight. For your shitty drafting government then I wonder why you think you're in the right to force them

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49660981]If you've gotten to the point where you're just dragging bodies in to hopefully slow the enemy down (there's a reason they didn't join before you started drafting, they probably aren't actually up for fights), then you might as well just give the fuck up. People who don't want to be there aren't going to help you. They'll maybe fight enough to survive if you're lucky. The draft is a totally asinine process in a modern standing army that is fully staffed all the time.[/QUOTE] Do you have no knowledge of armies, past and present, that have been made up entirely of conscripted forces? Frederick the Great's army in the 7 Years War was conscripted and it was one of the finest fighting forces in European history. Many of the soldiers in World War 2 and huge numbers in Vietnam were drafted in the US army alone. Did US forces start failing horribly because of this? Are you unaware of the actual history? Or are you just making things up to support your position?

[QUOTE=zakedodead;49661020]If no one wants to willingly fight. For your shitty drafting government then I wonder why you think you're in the right to force them[/QUOTE] You can always try to dodge the draft and leave the country and your "shitty drafting government"

[QUOTE=phygon;49660457]If it was abused for wardriving as it was in vietnam it can be abused again.[/QUOTE] Strictly speaking the "draft" in Vietnam and the "draft" today are separate mechanisms. The Selective Service Act of 1948, which was used in Vietnam, functioned totally differently from what we have today. For starters, you had to get a physical when you turned 18. Draftees were selected [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_lottery_(1969)]via lottery [/url]. It was abolished in 1975, and was replaced with the more lax Selective Service System in 1980.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;49660390]As a male between the ages of 18-25 I feel comfortable knowing that there is a system in place to mobilize the citizenry of my country as an absolute last resort.[/QUOTE] As a male between the ages of 18-25 i feel uncomfortable knowing that there is a system in place to force me to die for a cause i don't yet know and may never believe in

[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;49661001]Good, if I'm gonna die in some arid shit hole I at least want to die in an equal gendered environment.[/QUOTE] I don't wanna die in a shithole period...

I think nowadays shit really has to hit the fan in order for the military to even consider calling for a draft if they learned anything from the public reaction to the draft in Vietnam, the only thing I see the military calling for a draft is if the United States is invaded by another major nation(very unlikely) or the military's current manpower is somehow almost completely wiped out or just not enough. But I agree, if women are going to get equal rights then they should also be expected to defend those rights just like men are.

I'm pretty sure keeping lots of women at home has been a thing in warfare since the dawn of time. If the war gets to draft levels - a BIG war, there should be at least some sort of cap. If we win the war we would need an ability to rebuild our population. As shitty as this sounds, that is easier to do with larger amounts of surviving women.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49661288]I'm pretty sure keeping lots of women at home has been a thing in warfare since the dawn of time. If the war gets to draft levels - a BIG war, there should be at least some sort of cap. If we win the war we would need an ability to rebuild our population. As shitty as this sounds, that is easier to do with larger amounts of surviving women.[/QUOTE] That sounds like objectification brah.