Fallout in 5 Minutes (IGN) [WARNING: Spoilers for Fallout 1, 2, 3, and New Vegas!] - General

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyJbSxpjrf8[/media] Cute little video to get folks up to speed in time for Fallout 4.

Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas literally don't matter for Fallout 4.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48970322]Having background on the Enclave and the rest of the BoS is a pretty big deal. Thinking that the BoS are 100% cool goodguys going into FO4 might be a bad idea?[/QUOTE] But fallout 3 already does a pretty good job of establishing the eastern BoS as good guys with the "assholes in power armor" part being relegated to a sect of cunts. As for the enclave, their western part is almost irrelevant considering fallout 3 had a separate, mostly independent part of the enclave that had nothing to do with the fallout 2 version, other than the name.

Isnt the only one that doesnt matter NV? Even then isnt it only a 3 year difference between fallout 4 and NV?

Or people could just play New Vegas because it's a good game regardless.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;48970313]Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas literally don't matter for Fallout 4.[/QUOTE] So you've already played the whole game and know for a fact there's no connections to those other games? Please do fill me in on how to get it early.

So when were semiconductors invented? There are computers everywhere. Maybe the vacuum tubes are just for audiophiles.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48970418]The BoS are largely a sect of assholes though, with the outcasts in 3 being a sect of a small sect.[/QUOTE] By 2280 the BoS has actually more shifted towards progressive helpful people than a sect of assholes considering New Vegas makes it canon that the BoS in the west was obliterated by years of internal conflict and growing outdated nature. There's close to nothing left of the BoS in the west so the only part of it that truly remains is the one in the East which focuses heavily on giving power to the people and protecting them rather than stupidly hoarding technology. [QUOTE=overwatch pvt;48970424]So you've already played the whole game and know for a fact there's no connections to those other games? Please do fill me in on how to get it early.[/QUOTE] At least I'm starting a discussion instead of spitting out the same tired response people have used every single time someone talks about an unreleased game since the dawn of the internet.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;48970512]The fact that its geographically cross the country from prior games combined with the fact that its time frame only overlaps with 3 AND because only a small fraction of their player base have played 1 or 2 gives me the impression that they're very intentionally distancing the game for creative reasons[/QUOTE] That's been their general design direction since they've started work on Fallout 3, and it's quite smart. Allows them a good amount of creative freedom while still respecting the previous games and the lore of the franchise as a whole.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;48970466]By 2280 the BoS has actually more shifted towards progressive helpful people than a sect of assholes considering New Vegas makes it canon that the BoS in the west was obliterated by years of internal conflict and growing outdated nature. There's close to nothing left of the BoS in the west so the only part of it that truly remains is the one in the East which focuses heavily on giving power to the people and protecting them rather than stupidly hoarding technology.[/QUOTE] To my knowledge we know of only one brotherhood group that cares about helping people and not hoarding tech and that was the lone group from FO3.

[QUOTE=Flameon;48970626]To my knowledge we know of only one brotherhood group that cares about helping people and not hoarding tech and that was the lone group from FO3.[/QUOTE] A lone group that's arguably the largest chapter in the brotherhood by 2280 because all the others have devolved into absurdly small and dying communities that are about as relevant as the enclave was after its initial destruction in fallout 2.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;48970512]The fact that its geographically cross the country from prior games combined with the fact that its time frame only overlaps with 3 AND because only a small fraction of their player base have played 1 or 2 gives me the impression that they're very intentionally distancing the game for creative reasons[/QUOTE] Honestly it was genius to have Beth pick the east coast for future Fallout games. Lots of untouched land as to what happended to places like New York and Florida, and it stays far away from the established lore of the Core Region of Fallout 1 and 2, keepin the hardcore fans satisfied.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48970742]Honestly it was genius to have Beth pick the east coast for future Fallout games. Lots of untouched land as to what happended to places like New York and Florida, and it stays far away from the established lore of the Core Region of Fallout 1 and 2, keepin the hardcore fans satisfied.[/QUOTE] Uh I remember quite vividly how people cried that Fallout 3 raped the lore. Am I the only one who remembers that vicious Fallout board that went on an outright propaganda campaign against Fallout 3? There was a thread about it on FP years ago. Even before I came to FP, I remember friends who loved F1-2 raging over the third instalment for its numerous lore/mechanic changes.

I'm not saying folks didn't get mad anyway, just that I think essentially it was genius. As for the [sp]Enclave and Mutants in DC[/sp], I think it comes down to the fact that Fallout 3 was the first Fallout since the very early 2000s, so it made sense for Beth to figure out how to market it towards more people. Therefore, make it a shooter, and have iconic enemies and things for brand name recognition. The Brotherhood of Steel East being good guys also is ok with me since they already did the "different section of BoS" in Tactics. People honestly were sore because of "IT'S TOO DIFFERENT", and I understand no one likes things too different, but honestly if you're gonna modernize Fallout for people other than 90s PC gamers to reignite interest in the Fallout series, Fallout 3 was the best way to do it. And if fucking worked, especially for me. It got me to check out the original games and the Fallout wiki for lore. Fallout 3's main job was two fold. 1. Re-Ignite interest in the Fallout series for the late 2000s-onward. 2. Keep Fallout 3, despite the changes, within the Fallout spirit. Despite the story and numerous changes, Fallout 3 is still [b]A[/b] Fallout game. It has 50s retro futurism, it has Bing Crosby crooning on your radio while exploring the wasteland, it has survivor towns and moments you don't forget. [sp]Nuking Megaton anyone?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Vasili;48971149]Uh I remember quite vividly how people cried that Fallout 3 raped the lore. Am I the only one who remembers that vicious Fallout board that went on an outright propaganda campaign against Fallout 3? There was a thread about it on FP years ago. Even before I came to FP, I remember friends who loved F1-2 raging over the third instalment for its numerous lore/mechanic changes.[/QUOTE] I would say it does take the established lore and run too far with it. It feels like they took a bunch of things that worked previously and smushed them all together even when it didn't make sense and tied it up with a fairly generic plot. The Enclave are gone. No, wait, there's more! The Super Mutants are not reproducing. No, wait, they are! Civilization has begun to rebuild. No, wait, it's like the bombs dropped yesterday! All I can really say for 3 was that exploring the land was quite enjoyable. I much prefer New Vegas in every other area.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;48970629]A lone group that's arguably the largest chapter in the brotherhood by 2280 because all the others have devolved into absurdly small and dying communities that are about as relevant as the enclave was after its initial destruction in fallout 2.[/QUOTE] Fallout Tactics' main story has been stated to be canon and the Midwestern Brotherhood is mentioned to exist in 3 so it's entirely possible that they could be just as relevant in their region as the Eastern Brotherhood is in theirs.

[QUOTE=New Cidem;48971179]I would say it does take the established lore and run too far with it. It feels like they took a bunch of things that worked previously and smushed them all together even when it didn't make sense and tied it up with a fairly generic plot. The Enclave are gone. No, wait, there's more! The Super Mutants are not reproducing. No, wait, they are! Civilization has begun to rebuild. No, wait, it's like the bombs dropped yesterday! All I can really say for 3 was that exploring the land was quite enjoyable. I much prefer New Vegas in every other area.[/QUOTE] Well to be fair, the East Coast mutants are "reproducing" in the same way the Master "reproduces" his mutants, taking people and subjecting them to a dip in FEV.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48970742]Honestly it was genius to have Beth pick the east coast for future Fallout games. Lots of untouched land as to what happended to places like New York and Florida, and it stays far away from the established lore of the Core Region of Fallout 1 and 2, [B]keepin the hardcore fans satisfied.[/B][/QUOTE] You wouldn't think that was the case if you went to No Mutants Allowed. You'd be under the impression that Beth was literally Hitler. [editline]24th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Vasili;48971149]Uh I remember quite vividly how people cried that Fallout 3 raped the lore. Am I the only one who remembers that vicious Fallout board that went on an outright propaganda campaign against Fallout 3? There was a thread about it on FP years ago. Even before I came to FP, I remember friends who loved F1-2 raging over the third instalment for its numerous lore/mechanic changes.[/QUOTE] Yup, I quite remember people foaming at the mouth in that thread. "SUPER MUTANTS IN DC!?!?!?! 0/1000 BETH FOR WORST DEVELOPER OF THE YEAR. FALLOUT RUINED FOREVER"

is that fallout 4 gmaeplay in the video up somewhere or is it just for this video?

[QUOTE=Falubii;48970463]So when were semiconductors invented? There are computers everywhere. Maybe the vacuum tubes are just for audiophiles.[/QUOTE] Yeah, this video did leave out a lot of important new technological creations such as the invention of Fusion and, in their universe, the invention of semiconductors between the times of 2060-2077. If you'd like learn more about the lore, I'd suggest you [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvqm_pPD-aQ&list=PL7pGJQV-jlzD17YNNbt103xp0PkkUCoPU]watch this excellent series by ShoddyCast[/url] or just browse the wiki some.

[QUOTE=Anderan;48971200]Fallout Tactics' main story has been stated to be canon and the Midwestern Brotherhood is mentioned to exist in 3 so it's entirely possible that they could be just as relevant in their region as the Eastern Brotherhood is in theirs.[/QUOTE] Fallout Tactics happens 80 years before New Vegas. All of the BoS members from that era are long dead, and since New Vegas paints the BoS as mostly eradicated or on the verge of eradication, it's fair to assume that extended to every chapter that didn't convert to a more welcoming approach.

[QUOTE=New Cidem;48971179]I would say it does take the established lore and run too far with it. It feels like they took a bunch of things that worked previously and smushed them all together even when it didn't make sense and tied it up with a fairly generic plot. The Enclave are gone. No, wait, there's more! The Super Mutants are not reproducing. No, wait, they are! Civilization has begun to rebuild. No, wait, it's like the bombs dropped yesterday! All I can really say for 3 was that exploring the land was quite enjoyable. I much prefer New Vegas in every other area.[/QUOTE] 3 sure was a flawed game, but I still enjoyed it immensely and continue to play with TTW as one mega game in New Vegas. It also got me into the series, at the time when the DC trailer dropped I had no idea what fallout was but thanks to FP I had a few games to play in bed after recovering from surgery on my laptop.

[QUOTE=New Cidem;48971179]I would say it does take the established lore and run too far with it. It feels like they took a bunch of things that worked previously and smushed them all together even when it didn't make sense and tied it up with a fairly generic plot. The Enclave are gone. No, wait, there's more! The Super Mutants are not reproducing. No, wait, they are! Civilization has begun to rebuild. No, wait, it's like the bombs dropped yesterday! All I can really say for 3 was that exploring the land was quite enjoyable. I much prefer New Vegas in every other area.[/QUOTE] I like the fact the east and west coast have widely different feels. The East Coast was obviously hit considerably harder by the war which explains why everything still looks so fucked (everyone just left for greener pastures and the only people who remain are either insane or dying), the super mutants are just different kinds of mutants that got named like that after the BoS showed up, the BoS itself is a separate chapter with very different tenets explained by their trip to Pittsburgh, and the Enclave despite being poorly written is essentially another faction entirely that has nothing to do with the one in Fallout 2. It's entirely possible that the Enclave was fragmented into small cells of administration before Fallout 2 even happened and that was made worse with the events of that game. Basically, it sets an interesting idea : not every place in the US was hit the same. Same way how every place in the world right now aren't on the same level of technology and other advancements. The entire DC area is fucked beyond belief. Pittsburgh was so FUBAR that the BoS chapter that went through it (ie the people who pride themselves on being indestructible, infallible techno-paladins of righteousness) was traumatized. It's nice to see that Bethesda tried something new.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;48972669]I like the fact the east and west coast have widely different feels. The East Coast was obviously hit considerably harder by the war which explains why everything still looks so fucked (everyone just left for greener pastures and the only people who remain are either insane or dying), the super mutants are just different kinds of mutants that got named like that after the BoS showed up, the BoS itself is a separate chapter with very different tenets explained by their trip to Pittsburgh, and the Enclave despite being poorly written is essentially another faction entirely that has nothing to do with the one in Fallout 2. It's entirely possible that the Enclave was fragmented into small cells of administration before Fallout 2 even happened and that was made worse with the events of that game. Basically, it sets an interesting idea : not every place in the US was hit the same. Same way how every place in the world right now aren't on the same level of technology and other advancements. The entire DC area is fucked beyond belief. Pittsburgh was so FUBAR that the BoS chapter that went through it (ie the people who pride themselves on being indestructible, infallible techno-paladins of righteousness) was traumatized. It's nice to see that Bethesda tried something new.[/QUOTE] I suppose it's nice, but it all was in service of a simplistic straight good people vs. straight bad people plot, and I'm terrified they'll do it again in 4. You would think things would improve a little over 200 years, unless the Capital Wasteland was literally the most unlivable hellhole of a place ever. I would say The Pitt was worse but they seem to be more organized despite the horrible flesh eating disease problem. Also, what do they eat in 3? New Vegas has farms and animals but Megaton has one cow for like 30 people. [QUOTE=Saxon;48972625]3 sure was a flawed game, but I still enjoyed it immensely and continue to play with TTW as one mega game in New Vegas. It also got me into the series, at the time when the DC trailer dropped I had no idea what fallout was but thanks to FP I had a few games to play in bed after recovering from surgery on my laptop.[/QUOTE] Likewise. I became interested in the lore of the series and believe me, I clocked a lot of hours into 3. I slowly began to unravel the fact that the game isn't really that good after about... 200ish hours? Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment. [QUOTE=Mr. N;48971818]Well to be fair, the East Coast mutants are "reproducing" in the same way the Master "reproduces" his mutants, taking people and subjecting them to a dip in FEV.[/QUOTE] How can they justify there being [i]so many of them[/i], though? You kill what feels like hundreds. They must have a really efficient kidnapping -> FEV routine going on.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;48972596]Fallout Tactics happens 80 years before New Vegas. All of the BoS members from that era are long dead, and since New Vegas paints the BoS as mostly eradicated or on the verge of eradication, it's fair to assume that extended to every chapter that didn't convert to a more welcoming approach.[/QUOTE] Except they have a huge presence near the great lakes, enough to have their own empire up there like the NCR and Legion. They'll arguably always be around, it was just that those they sent out tended to be huge fuckups.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;48972596]Fallout Tactics happens 80 years before New Vegas. All of the BoS members from that era are long dead, and since New Vegas paints the BoS as mostly eradicated or on the verge of eradication, it's fair to assume that extended to every chapter that didn't convert to a more welcoming approach.[/QUOTE] It never painted the Midwestern Brotherhood having been eradicated though. In fact, according to Veronica they were doing okay. Although, it's interesting to think about how the Midwestern Brotherhood might have had some run-ins with the Legion since, at least in Fallout: Tactics, their territory extended all the way to Colorado. Honestly though the most interesting part I have to say about the Midwestern Brotherhood is the fact that the BoS logos and markings seen in the Fallout 4 trailer are the same ones that the Midwestern Brotherhood use (A mirrored BoS logo with a slightly different hue) but a slightly different hue. It'd be strange, but what if the BoS in Brotherhood are an offshoot of the Midwestern Brotherhood?

[QUOTE=New Cidem;48973260]I suppose it's nice, but it all was in service of a simplistic straight good people vs. straight bad people plot, and I'm terrified they'll do it again in 4. You would think things would improve a little over 200 years, unless the Capital Wasteland was literally the most unlivable hellhole of a place ever. I would say The Pitt was worse but they seem to be more organized despite the horrible flesh eating disease problem. Also, what do they eat in 3? New Vegas has farms and animals but Megaton has one cow for like 30 people. Likewise. I became interested in the lore of the series and believe me, I clocked a lot of hours into 3. I slowly began to unravel the fact that the game isn't really that good after about... 200ish hours? Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment. How can they justify there being [i]so many of them[/i], though? You kill what feels like hundreds. They must have a really efficient kidnapping -> FEV routine going on.[/QUOTE] In reality gameplay, and scale in Beth games is off. Theorizing, super mutants are biologically immortal so they could have been razing the DC area for the past 200 years, ample time to do a lot of converting. Besides, most of DC are drug addled raiders so I'm sure they probably use them quite a lot. As for efficiency, I'd say they actually are, although it doesn't show in gameplay besides the occasional hostage. The concept art showed they had big focus on caging people up, with Behomaths having those cages on their backs to scoop up people to be converted for example. [editline]24th October 2015[/editline] I'm pretty sure all the cages and shit are in the game as well, but are just not filled with any captives or anything.

Also it's not as if Beth made 0 references to previous Fallouts in 3. The encounter with Harold was far more interesting if you played the previous games and knew who he was already.

The Fallout lore is nuts, man. There's so much. Just going through the timeline on the Fallout wiki from start to finish is hours of reading material in it's own.

[QUOTE=Anderan;48975142]Also it's not as if Beth made 0 references to previous Fallouts in 3. The encounter with Harold was far more interesting if you played the previous games and knew who he was already.[/QUOTE] The BoS and Outcasts talk a shitton about old Fallouts, even namedropping Midwest BoS. Then there is Harold. The Enclave also talk about their journey east and the whole oil rig incident. Yeah, the didn't exactly ignore it. I think people are mad about the application.