Government could strip citizenship from Americans under Enemy Expatriation Act - Polidicks

Source: [url]http://breakthematrix.com/congress/government-strip-citizenship-americans-enemy-expatriation-act/[/url] [quote] When Barack Obama inked the National Defense Authorization Act on New Year’s Eve, the president insisted that he wouldn’t use the terrifying legislation against American citizens. Another new law, however, could easily change all of that. If the Enemy Expatriation Act passes in its current form, the legislation will let the government strike away citizenship for anyone engaged in hostilities, or supporting hostilities, against the United States. The law itself is rather brief, but in just a few words it warrants the US government to strip nationality status from anyone they identify as a threat. What’s more, the government can decide to do so without bringing the suspected troublemaker before a court of law. Under the legislation, “hostilities” are defined as [I]“any conflict subject to the laws of war” [/I]and does not explicitly state that charges against suspects go to court. When Obama signed NDAA on December 31, the president said that his administration [I]“will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens.”[/I] Added the president, [I]“Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation.” [/I]But by breaking off ties between citizens — American-born or otherwise — the harsh realities of NDAA can be forced on anyone in the US if Washington decides that it is in the country’s best interest. The National Defense Authorization Act drew widespread opposition despite a lack of media cover due to the capabilities in bestows in the administration. Under NDAA, the government can indefinitely imprison anyone deemed dangerous by Washington and hold them without trial. After criticism led to massive online campaigns and protests, President Obama addressed the issue and said specifically that his administration would not understand the law as such. Instead, said Obama, [I]“My administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law.”[/I] Some are now saying that Obama’s attempt at discrediting the NDAA by insisting that he would not use it against American citizens came only as a precursor to the latest Act. By adding his signing statement to the NDAA, the president insured that legislation such as the Enemy Expatriation Act would surface to strike any limitations that would have kept Americans free from military detainment[I]. “I hope I’m wrong, but it sounds to me like this is a loophole for indefinitely detaining Americans,”[/I] Stephen . Foster, Jr. writes on the AddictionInfo.org website. [I]“Once again, you just have to be accused of supporting hostilities which could be defined any way the government sees fit. Then the government can strip your citizenship and apply the indefinite detention section of the NDAA without the benefit of a trial.”[/I] The bill, currently being passed through Congress, is sponsored by Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Charles Dent (R-PA)[/quote] Ugh... People, please vote for Ron Paul. He actually gives a damn about you.

We already knew this. And isn't Ron Paul said to "own" the internet?

[QUOTE=RichyZ;34273199]can you people stop having a boner for ron paul? "he legalise weed and stop wars but has shit plans for everything else lets vote him!"[/QUOTE] That isn't the main reason people are "erect" over him, and you know it.

I need an explanation on the last sentence of the article. I assume by being "passed through Congress" the author means it is merely going through the legal process leading up to the congressional vote on the bill. Can anyone confirm if the bill has been voted on or not?

[QUOTE=faze;34273190]Ugh... People, please vote for Ron Paul. He actually gives a damn about you.[/QUOTE] Obama hasn't fucked up yet and isn't a nutjob, just keep him and hope you have someone better in 2016.

ahahahaha obama hasn't fucked up oh man that was a funny joke.

[QUOTE=Rents;34273236]Obama hasn't fucked up yet and isn't a nutjob, just keep him and hope you have someone better in 2016.[/QUOTE] Um...the spending isn't fucking up?

[QUOTE=faze;34273240]Um...the spending isn't fucking up?[/QUOTE] It's a global recession, everyone's spending is through the roof to stop their economy collapsing.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34273239]ahahahaha obama hasn't fucked up oh man that was a funny joke.[/QUOTE] He got more done than you think. [QUOTE]No. 4: Extended child tax credits and marriage-penalty fixes No. 16: Increased minority access to capital No. 33: Established a credit card bill of rights No. 36: Expanded loan programs for small businesses No. 37: Extended the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes No. 48: Closed the “doughnut hole” in Medicare prescription drug plan No. 51: Required insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions No. 53: Gave tax credits to those who need help to pay health premiums No. 55: Required large employers to contribute to a national health plan No. 56: Required children to have health insurance coverage until age 26 No. 57: Expanded eligibility for Medicaid No. 58: Expanded eligibility for State Children’s Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP) No. 63: Required health plans to disclose how much of the premium goes to patient care No. 65: Established an independent health institute to provide accurate and objective information No. 69: Forced insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums for patient care No. 70: Eliminated the higher subsidies to Medicare Advantage plans No. 93: Reinstated executive order to hire an additional 100,000 federal employees with disabilities within five years. No. 105: Increased the Veterans Administration budget to recruit and retain more mental health No. 109: Fully funded the Veterans Administration No. 113: Expanded the Veterans Administration’s number of “centers of excellence” in specialty care No. 121: Fully funded the Violence Against Women Act No. 125: Directed military leaders to end war in Iraq No. 126: Removed combat brigades from Iraq, ending military operations No. 132: Solidified that not permanent bases would be established in Iraq No. 161: Ended the abuse of supplemental budgets for war No. 195: Began reductions in nuclear stockpiles, in a joint move with Russia No. 196: Extended monitoring and verification provisions of the START I Treaty No. 197: Signed the Moscow Treaty, further reducing the size of nuclear forces No. 215: Created a rapid response fund for emerging democracies No. 222: Granted Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba No. 225: Established an Energy Partnership for the Americas No. 229: Expanded the Nurse-Family Partnership to all low-income, first-time mothers No. 239: Released presidential records No. 241: Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions No. 244: Provided affordable, high-quality child care No. 247: Recruited math and science degree graduates to the teaching profession No. 259: Reduced subsidies to private student lenders and protect student borrowers No. 269: Increased funding for national parks and forests No. 275: Expanded Pell grants for low-income students No. 290: Pushed for enactment of the Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors No. 293: Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” No. 315: Established ‘Promise Neighborhoods’ for areas of concentrated poverty No. 359: Rebuilt schools in New Orleans No. 371: Funded a major expansion of AmeriCorps No. 411: Worked to overturn Ledbetter vs. Goodyear No. 422: Created dozens of new financial regulations No. 427: Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees No. 433: Enacted the United States' first universal health care bill No. 435: Created new criminal penalties for mortgage fraud No. 449: Raised fuel economy standards No. 458: Invested in all types of alternative energy No. 483: Invested in public transportation No. 495: Doubled federal spending for research on clean fuels No. 500: Increased funding for the Environmental Protection Agency No. 513: Reversed restrictions on stem cell research[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=33379728#post33379728"]taken from this ol' thread.[/URL] edit: Now, I repeat. Has this been voted on yet? I feel that this is going too far even for Congress and this is a last ditch effort by Lieberman, a man who has already said he will NOT run for re-election, to pass an asinine bill he thinks will "save America"

Those are pretty minor things any president could've pulled off. I'm talking about all the shit he promised he would do, but failed to execute. On the other hand, I suppose that goes for most presidents who have been in charge.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;34273199]can you people stop having a boner for ron paul? "he legalise weed and stop wars but has shit plans for everything else lets vote him!"[/QUOTE] As opposed to voting for the other multinational corporation puppets who are turboshit in literally [i]every department[/i] you are telling me I should not vote for the one guy who atleast has the right ideas in the departments that actually matter because they contain human suffering, death, destruction, torture, poverty, terrorism, surveillance, police brutality and hatred? Do you even believe in the shit you are saying? Get your assbackwards country out of the worlds business first before you can care about damage control. Frankly, the world does not give a shit if americans suffer under Paul, the world has suffered enough under america. Keep that shit in mind before you talk shit about Paul.

[QUOTE=faze;34273190]Ugh... People, please vote for Ron Paul. He actually gives a damn about you.[/QUOTE] Over my dead body.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34273284]Those are pretty minor things any president could've pulled off. I'm talking about all the shit he promised he would do, but failed to execute. On the other hand, I suppose that goes for most presidents who have been in charge.[/QUOTE] [quote]No. 449: Raised fuel economy standards No. 458: Invested in all types of alternative energy No. 483: Invested in public transportation No. 513: Reversed restrictions on stem cell research No. 275: Expanded Pell grants for low-income students No. 290: Pushed for enactment of the Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors No. 293: Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”[/quote] "Minor things", ok.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34273284]Those are pretty minor things any president could've pulled off. I'm talking about all the shit he promised he would do, but failed to execute. On the other hand, I suppose that goes for most presidents who have been in charge.[/QUOTE] No. America used to have Presidents made of steel and honor who took their role seriously and made a big fuss about things they disagreed with and fought them until they were gone. Nowadays they care about reelection, sucking as many dicks to get reelected as it takes and taking in huge sums of money by corporate [i]advisors[/i]. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Omali;34273337]Over my dead body.[/QUOTE] Oh your body will be dead allright once you realize you don't like living in a police state but you waited too long to say something about it. Enjoy it.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34273284]Those are pretty minor things any president could've pulled off. I'm talking about all the shit he promised he would do, but failed to execute. On the other hand, I suppose that goes for most presidents who have been in charge.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/"]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/[/URL] Have a nice read and tell me when you actually know what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;34273317]yes all americans who have nothing to do with the wars (dems/libs don't want the wars but the republicans love shooting people) should be punished because the few that are fucking retarded are, retarded.[/QUOTE] You did nothing to stop it. You foot the bill. Your lawmakers are in part responsible for the shit we are all in. You are being held liable. It's not your fault the world is the way it is but it is your fault if it stays that way.

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34273349]No. America used to have Presidents made of steel and honor who took their role seriously and made a big fuss about things they disagreed with and fought them until they were gone. Nowadays they care about reelection, sucking as many dicks to get reelected as it takes and taking in huge sums of money by corporate [i]advisors[/i]. [/quote] I was under the impression that corruption in America's 1st century was sky-high, in part to the spoils system and whatnot. [quote]Oh your body will be dead allright once you realize you don't like living in a police state but you waited too long to say something about it. Enjoy it.[/QUOTE] Don't say police state around here. While I agree with things like this and the NDAA we are taking steps in that [I]direction[/I] saying "police state" works like a shutoff valve that causes people to stop listening to you.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;34273317]yes all americans who have nothing to do with the wars (dems/libs don't want the wars but the republicans love shooting people) should be punished because the few that are fucking retarded are, retarded.[/QUOTE] By the way the same rhetoric could be used for completely innocent arab people who still got murdered by your forces because there are some arab people who are unhappy with the unjustified occupation of the middle east. Thanks for your non argument. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Hidole555;34273378]I was under the impression that corruption in America's 1st century was sky-high, in part to the spoils system and whatnot. Don't say police state around here. While I agree with things like this and the NDAA we are taking steps in that [I]direction[/I] saying "police state" works like a shutoff valve that causes people to stop listening to you.[/QUOTE] Do you really think I care if people want to live in denial or not? It's your shit you'll have to eat in a couple of years. I couldn't care less. If you shut your eyes to the expanding insidious developments because they make you feel uncomfortable then that's your thing. Compared to every other western nation the US is a police state already. I couldnt even bear to imagine the public outrage and riots that would explode over europe if police decided they have to raid a home and shoot its owner to death over a half smoked joint in the livingroom ashtray.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;34273390]i have sent emails to my nearest senator on many occasions, signed many petitions, and will vote when i am of age, but i guess that isn't good enough, i guess the average american is responsible for whatever the corporations do and deserve to be berated for it[/QUOTE] It was obviously not enough. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=RichyZ;34273422]because again, i have complete and total control of what my bloated shitty military does, i actually can control every man out there with a small chip that is implanted in their heads in basic. do you realise that barely any americans actually support the war, and most of the military are in it for the money and college benefits? (air force is a pretty surefire way to get into college and stay out of poverty, whereas everywhere else is barely hiring)[/QUOTE] Tell that to an arab kid that just lost his entire family to a drone strike. That kid has as little influence on Taliban wargames as you have on your corrupt government. Yet it still has to face the unjust truth. If you start shitting your pants because suddenly, your easy going western life is being stripped from you because of actions that are out of your control then you are in the exact same position as the arab kid. Welcome to the real world. Life sucks and americans are soon about to find out how hard it can really suck.

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34273423]It was obviously not enough.[/QUOTE] Rather than chastising us on how we're not doing enough to prevent this country from going down the toilet, how about you actually give us some advice since you [I]clearly[/I] know exactly what we need to do.

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34273284]Those are pretty minor things any president could've pulled off. I'm talking about all the shit he promised he would do, but failed to execute. On the other hand, I suppose that goes for most presidents who have been in charge.[/QUOTE] You do know he can't just DO things, right? It has to go through congress as well, and that has been what's stopped the majority of the things that he was trying to do.

[QUOTE=Hidole555;34273448]Rather than chastising us on how we're not doing enough to prevent this country from going down the toilet, how about you actually give us some advice since you [I]clearly[/I] know exactly what we need to do.[/QUOTE] So I'm telling you whats wrong in your country and then you want me to walk you through how to fight for it and take it back too? I'm sorry, the revolution comes without a manual or a remote control. There's no 555-fixmylifesproblems you can call to take care of it. You actually have to leave your computer for once.

[QUOTE=Rastadogg5;34273456]You do know he can't just DO things, right? It has to go through congress as well, and that has been what's stopped the majority of the things that he was trying to do.[/QUOTE] That and the GOP has been focusing on blocking fucking everything since they have a majority in either the house or the senate, can't remember which.

Vote for Ron Paul and then only your state will be able to detain you indefinitely, not the federal government

[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;34273201]We already knew this. And isn't Ron Paul said to "own" the internet?[/QUOTE] No, that's Al Gore.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;34273517]occupy is sort of a revolution if you think we can have an armed revolution here, you're a fucking moron. consider how the us decimated the middle east, they would do just the same to itself if we had a revolution[/QUOTE] Occupy is a good start to raise awareness over the mindboggling shit that is going on right now. Join it. Be there. I would if I was on your continent. Almost every single person in the US is armed. If the united states government started to turn their own weapons against their people they would lose face infront of the entire world. Plus I don't believe all troops can be brainwashed into shooting their own people as it would invoke fundamental cognitive dissonance even within the dumbest hick. Plus at the current rate your civil liberties are being shlashed it is only a matter of time until they will be coming for you. Revolution or not. But then it might be already to late because people like you will have been tricked into giving up every single right they had by then. Fight it now or suffer forever.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;34273600]a semi-automatic ar15 vs a cobra helicopter.[/QUOTE] That would be 300 million semi automatic ar15 rifles versus ~10'000 (exact numbers?) cobra helicopters. The population by far outnumbers the oppression and if americas infrastructure broke down because of a fierce civil war then the governments funds would run out in a day. No one in the world would lend to an inhumane regime either and all your old enemies would easily join in on the fun. [QUOTE=RichyZ;34273600]at this point, us barely gives a fuck about it's reputation, we've all seen the shit that it has done you'd also be surprised at how brainwashed the army, and by extension, the american people (only a generalisation, i know some people from both groups who are rational) are to "terrorists", hell, many would identify the occupy movement as a low level terrorist movement and could arrest them for protesting if they wanted to.[/QUOTE] So you just want to wait until you receive your state issued television in your state issued home with your state issued clothes and state issued wife? Sponsored by Multinational Corp United?

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34273568]Occupy is a good start to raise awareness over the mindboggling shit that is going on right now. Join it. Be there. I would if I was on your continent.[/quote] Went to some meetings and it never went past sitting around with signs. I applaud the effort but it didn't go anywhere, at least not in my area. [QUOTE=Isuzu;34273568]Almost every single person in the US is armed. If the united states government started to turn their own weapons against their people they would lose face infront of the entire world.[/quote] There are 90 civilian-owned firearms for every 100 US citizens but this does not mean that 90% of US citizens have firearms, or anything close to it. Many families that are armed (excluding firearm enthusiasts) have one or two guns, generally for self-defense. [QUOTE=Isuzu;34273568]Plus I don't believe all troops can be brainwashed into shooting their own people as it would invoke fundamental cognitive dissonance even within the dumbest hick. Plus at the current rate your civil liberties are being shlashed it is only a matter of time until they will be coming for you. Revolution or not. But then it might be already to late because people like you will have been tricked into giving up every single right they had by then. Fight it now or suffer forever.[/QUOTE] "every single right" Well let's see, still have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to bear arms, what have you. Yes the police brutality is an important issue but Ron Paul sure as shit isn't going to regulate them any harder to make it go away. He'll leave it up to the states like everything else that deals with rights.

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34273637]That would be 300 million semi automatic ar15 rifles versus ~10'000 (exact numbers?) cobra helicopters. The population by far outnumbers the oppression and if americas infrastructure broke down because of a fierce civil war then the governments funds would run out in a day. No one in the world would lend to an inhumane regime either and all your old enemies would easily join in on the fun.[/quote] You're deluding yourself if you seriously believe that every person in the US would have an AR-15. Many are minors who legally cannot own firearms, many are elderly, and many are already in the military. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] Not to mention even if every last civilian had an AR-15 rifle, that the military has tanks, artillery, and rockets. How would any civilian, or rather any rebel, stand up to that?

[QUOTE=Isuzu;34273568]Occupy is a good start to raise awareness over the mindboggling shit that is going on right now. Join it. Be there. I would if I was on your continent. Almost every single person in the US is armed. If the united states government started to turn their own weapons against their people they would lose face infront of the entire world. Plus I don't believe all troops can be brainwashed into shooting their own people as it would invoke fundamental cognitive dissonance even within the dumbest hick. Plus at the current rate your civil liberties are being shlashed it is only a matter of time until they will be coming for you. Revolution or not. But then it might be already to late because people like you will have been tricked into giving up every single right they had by then. Fight it now or suffer forever.[/QUOTE] Actually that number is around 45% of America is armed. Still, let's just hold up for a moment. The way America will change is not going to be through some bloody revolution that ends with the Sack of D.C. and new congressmen, election system etc. The first and foremost thing we must push for is election reform. The current First-past-the-post system we have only serves to amplify two-party politics, the same two-party politics that have our country in gridlock and prevents useful legislation and promotes oppressive legislation. With a reformed election process using a system like the Alternative vote or better, we will be able to elect independent congressmen who are not bound by party ideology, people who will actually serve to represent the people, rather than government's twisted perception of them. We must abandon the parties, for they have turned on us. We must rally around and promote election reform. Then, with a larger faction of independents, Democrats and Republicans will be unable to singe-handedly hold up the legislative process. In short, the root cause of the U.S. not passing legislation such as election reform and preventing corporations from buying congress is the greed of both parties. They know that setting the system straight is suicide for their party, so it must be brought about by popular demand. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Rents;34273485]That and the GOP has been focusing on blocking fucking everything since they have a majority in either the house or the senate, can't remember which.[/QUOTE] The House.