Russia-China military drills bring peace, do not target any "alleged enemies" - Polidicks

[IMG]http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/news/2013/july/Chinese_army_soldiers_with_armoured_vehicles_at_Sino-Russian_Peace%20Mission_2005_joint_military_exercise_640_001.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]BEIJING, July 9 (RIA Novosti) – Russian-Chinese joint military drills are aimed at strengthening bilateral cooperation, not threatening alleged enemies, Kremlin Chief of Staff Sergei Ivanov said Wednesday during a meeting with students from Beijing University of Foreign Languages. “We are sovereign states, we are not carrying out these drills against somebody. We are holding it to strengthen our bilateral cooperation. We are not violating any international laws; it is a sovereign choice of two states,” Ivanov said. The official noted that Russia and China held their first joint military exercises in the mid-2000s, which met a mixed response from the West.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140709/190857987/Russia-China-Hold-Military-Drills-to-Strengthen-Bilateral.html[/url]

Time to build Liberty Prime.

We love peace, but not peace at any price.

The invasion of the US begins...

The US and China also have military drills.

[QUOTE=Masterofstars;45394653]The US and China also have military drills.[/QUOTE] Not of the same degree and probably not after they charged Chinese military with an "act of war."

That has got to be some of the most ugly camouflage I've ever seen.

What's the point of a joint military exercise anyway?

[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;45395225]What's the point of a joint military exercise anyway?[/QUOTE] Practice, skill sharing and international relations. Ironically the counter-terrorism obsession has done more for international cooperation than anything else. China and Russia certainly wouldn't have done joint exercises with the US back in the cold war era. Nowadays every man and his dog is cross training. They hold huge international counter terrorism exercises in Jordan every year iirc with just about every player you could think of.

ah yes, military exercises, ground breaking newzs.

[QUOTE=barrab;45397361]ah yes, military exercises, ground breaking newzs.[/QUOTE] How would I have known about it even if it's not something uncommon? News doesn't have to be ground-breaking, as long as it's informative.

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;45395988]Practice, skill sharing and international relations. Ironically the counter-terrorism obsession has done more for international cooperation than anything else. China and Russia certainly wouldn't have done joint exercises with the US back in the cold war era. Nowadays every man and his dog is cross training. They hold huge international counter terrorism exercises in Jordan every year iirc with just about every player you could think of.[/QUOTE] the enemy of everybody's enemy is their friend's friend so they're kinda alright to hang out with right?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45395166]That has got to be some of the most ugly camouflage I've ever seen.[/QUOTE] Nevermind the camouflage, why aren't they wearing their full combat load? Here is the thing, I found that many Chinese military exercises are really just staged. Look at the picture in the original post, the soldiers are not wearing any body armor, load carrying equipment. They are just wearing their fatigue and their rifle. There is a reason. By not making them wear full combat load, these soldiers would look more graceful and cool hopping onto prepped and groomed beaches. Also, if you look at the link, the senior officers are all wearing body armor. The reason is that since they will all be sitting in their bunker acting, they can wear all the body armor they want because they are just sitting. As much as I hate to say it, the one good thing about the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq is that it gave the American military a decade of combat experiences and generated an entire generation of combat experienced NCOs and officers. If, if, China and Japan goes to war over Senkaku Island and America comes to Japan's aid, the Americans will have the edge in experience.

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;45395988]Practice, skill sharing and international relations. Ironically the counter-terrorism obsession has done more for international cooperation than anything else. China and Russia certainly wouldn't have done joint exercises with the US back in the cold war era. Nowadays every man and his dog is cross training. They hold huge international counter terrorism exercises in Jordan every year iirc with just about every player you could think of.[/QUOTE] If the Soviet Union wasn't a thing, then I'm sure the US and Russia would have been buddy buddy enough to do some joint-excessive photo ops.

[QUOTE=Person234;45404921] As much as I hate to say it, the one good thing about the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq is that it gave the American military a decade of combat experiences and generated an entire generation of combat experienced NCOs and officers. If, if, China and Japan goes to war over Senkaku Island and America comes to Japan's aid, the Americans will have the edge in experience.[/QUOTE] What good is that if the soldiers are encouraged to then leave the army to go private.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45406461]What good is that if the soldiers are encouraged to then leave the army to go private.[/QUOTE] ??? Not sure what you're getting at? If you're talking about skilled soldiers leaving the Army to work in the private sector, that's grossly exaggerated by the media. Unless you've got some rare skillset/trade, if you don't have years of SOF experience or know someone personally, your chances of picking up a contract with one of the big companies is nill. The whole idea that anyone can go be a rootin tootin gunslinger and get payed heaps is a gross exaggeration by the media, its like any other job market, you are competing for a limited amount of jobs, and some of the guys you are competing with have shit-hot resumes. As for the effects of the military downsizing, well, thats not setting a precedent. Every military downsizes after war.

[QUOTE=willtheoct;45394588]The invasion of the US begins...[/QUOTE] Is it even possible for say Russia or China to completely invade the US? Do both have such big army ready?

[QUOTE=ZyreHD;45407969]Is it even possible for say Russia or China to completely invade the US? Do both have such big army ready?[/QUOTE] It is meaningless anyways. In fact, even if invasion would be successful, it will be an economical disaster for everyone, and primarily for aggressor country. Not to mention that no one will attack a country with a huge stockpile of atomic weapons. It only works in games and movies.

[QUOTE=ZyreHD;45407969]Is it even possible for say Russia or China to completely invade the US? Do both have such big army ready?[/QUOTE] Yes. Russia and China have 2 of the largest militaries on the planet, China especially. They've got nearly 3 million active personnel with another 2 million in reserve, with the potential to draft up to 500+ million (men and women) in case shit really hits the fan. They're not the most advanced military in the world but strength in numbers beats all. [editline]16th July 2014[/editline] It would be completely insane to do so though; the economic toll would be in the trillions and the civilian death toll on both sides would be higher than all the deaths in WWI and WWII combined. Not to mention that the US has a well armed and patriotic civilian populace. Any signs of Red China stepping on US soil without our permission, and they'll be facing down a 100 million gun toting wannabe heroes.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45408049] They're not the most advanced military in the world but strength in numbers beats all.[/QUOTE] Actually, numbers don't beat anything since the invention of machine guns. And today, when you can turn square kilometers to ashes within seconds, it is especially meaningless to have a huge, but badly equipped army imo.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45408049]Yes. Russia and China have 2 of the largest militaries on the planet, China especially. They've got nearly 3 million active personnel with another 2 million in reserve, with the potential to draft up to 500+ million (men and women) in case shit really hits the fan. They're not the most advanced military in the world but strength in numbers beats all. [editline]16th July 2014[/editline] It would be completely insane to do so though; the economic toll would be in the trillions and the civilian death toll on both sides would be higher than all the deaths in WWI and WWII combined. Not to mention that the US has a well armed and patriotic civilian populace. Any signs of Red China stepping on US soil without our permission, and they'll be facing down a 100 million gun toting wannabe heroes.[/QUOTE] ok but 500 million chinese conscripts are not going to swim across the ocean to the USA so you're pretty safe dude it ain't gonna happen. and no strength in numbers certainly does not beat all, this is the 21st century where you can just drop a fucking tactical nuke and bombs on that horde and kill millions and you seriously overestimate the capability of a civilian population who has no idea of conventional warfare or guerilla warfare in defending themselves in the event of an immediate invasion

[QUOTE=antianan;45408072]Actually, numbers don't beat anything since the invention of machine guns. And today, when you can turn square kilometers to ashes within seconds, it is especially meaningless to have a huge, but badly equipped army imo.[/QUOTE] The Soviet Union almost took over Finland with pure numbers alone, and the pushed back the greatest war machine ever made and conquered Berlin with numbers alone. Warfare has changed since WWII but large numbers of soldiers with marginally outdated equipment will always beat out few numbers of better equipped soldiers. [QUOTE=Antlerp;45408089]ok but 500 million chinese conscripts are not going to swim across the ocean to the USA so you're pretty safe dude it ain't gonna happen. and no strength in numbers certainly does not beat all, this is the 21st century where you can just drop a fucking tactical nuke and bombs on that horde and kill millions and you seriously overestimate the capability of a civilian population who has no idea of conventional warfare or guerilla warfare in defending themselves in the event of an immediate invasion[/QUOTE] I'm not sure where you're getting that I'm completely paranoid that Red China is gonna invade muh freedoms or some bullshit like that. Everything I said was pure speculation. You can't drop a tactical nuke like it's call of duty. You don't use nukes on a country that has nukes, thats literally the most basic rule of Nuclear warfare. You don't attack someone with a nuke who can hit you back with a nuke. And even if they don't have a Nuke, you pretty much turn the entire world against you by using a Nuclear weapon. Everyone has seen photos mushroom cloud over Nagasaki and everyone has seen deformed Japanese children that suffered because of the radiation fallout. Using nukes in a conventional war is never an option and never will be one. I never said that the US civilian populace who own guns would be key to pushing off an invasion, I just said that they're going to resist and resist hard, never said they'd do it well.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45408468] conquered Berlin with numbers alone. [/QUOTE] Can't say anything about the Winter war, but it's false that USSR took Berlin with numbers. In the end of the WW2 soviet tanks, planes and guns in general were on par or even better than german ones, and soldiers had a huge amount of experience. So, while it's true that red army was more numerous, it also was pretty good equipped and trained. It's just a widespread myth that soviets took Germany "with numbers".

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45408049]Yes. Russia and China have 2 of the largest militaries on the planet, China especially. They've got nearly 3 million active personnel with another 2 million in reserve, with the potential to draft up to 500+ million (men and women) in case shit really hits the fan. They're not the most advanced military in the world but strength in numbers beats all. [editline]16th July 2014[/editline] It would be completely insane to do so though; the economic toll would be in the trillions and the civilian death toll on both sides would be higher than all the deaths in WWI and WWII combined. Not to mention that the US has a well armed and patriotic civilian populace. Any signs of Red China stepping on US soil without our permission, and they'll be facing down a 100 million gun toting wannabe heroes.[/QUOTE] I wonder how patriots would react to conservative white-blue-red capitalist Ruskies on their territory.

So.... The US goes over and holds impressive drills with South Korea, as Kim Jong Un had a tantrum across the DMZ and China shakes its head. The US tells 'em to quiet down. Now, China and the Russies hold drills together and the US gets all butt hurt. Politics, man. Politics. [QUOTE=Antlerp;45408089]ok but 500 million chinese conscripts are not going to swim across the ocean to the USA so you're pretty safe dude it ain't gonna happen. and no strength in numbers certainly does not beat all, this is the 21st century where you can just drop a fucking tactical nuke and bombs on that horde and kill millions and you seriously overestimate the capability of a civilian population who has no idea of conventional warfare or guerilla warfare in defending themselves in the event of an immediate invasion[/QUOTE] 500 million Chinese soldiers may not be able to swim across the ocean. But they can certainly be carried by Chinese and Russian boats and airplanes. You're right, this is the 21st century. Where mass-production exists and countries (*Cough*China*cough*) are more than willing to sacrifice their resources, environment, and people in order to achieve goals. Not to mention they have been stealing US patents left and right since we gave them our production. They're also able to cripple our economy, at the sacrifice of their own to some extent, but they would survive. The US probably wouldn't. Not in its' current state at least. It may not happen tomorrow, but in five years? ten? Maybe. As the American dollar weakens and the corruption continues to eat away at the core values and structural integrity of the States... We may not be as feared as we are now (militarily) and foreign invasion might not be so out of the question. [b]Edit:[/b] Though its hard to say with the US's influence in the western powers. The US has allies with the UK, Germany, France, Japan, and so forth. There's China, Russia, maybe some smaller states/countries, and North Korea....

[QUOTE=antianan;45408776]Can't say anything about the Winter war, but it's false that USSR took Berlin with numbers. In the end of the WW2 soviet tanks, planes and guns in general were on par or even better than german ones, and soldiers had a huge amount of experience. So, while it's true that red army was more numerous, it also was pretty good equipped and trained. It's just a widespread myth that soviets took Germany "with numbers".[/QUOTE] Not really true. German aircraft still had superiority in the air, but not the numbers to maintain that superiority; what with the B-17 raids they had to deal with as well. Their pilots were extremely experienced and well trained, and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_flying_aces"]quite a few of the top aces of all time are German[/URL]. Aside from the IS series, most Russian tanks still couldn't stand toe to toe with Panther's or Tigers unless they were at close range, while said Panther's and Tiger's could knock them out from quite a ways away, but again they weren't made in enough numbers for that superiority to matter. German infantry, up until late in the war, was much better trained and the SS divisions were even better trained, but they didn't have the numbers or competent leadership to make use of it. If even numbers of German aircraft, infantry, and armor went toe to toe in ideal conditions, then Germany would have most certainty came out on top. The Russians had twice the losses Germany did (for soldiers, civilians not included). If they didn't have their numbers they would have lost. Numbers alone didn't win the war for them but it played an absolutely massively vital role in it. [editline]17th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=laserguided;45413972]I wonder how patriots would react to conservative white-blue-red capitalist Ruskies on their territory.[/QUOTE] Heres hoping we never find out.

Foreign Invasion between the world-powers is something I'd never picture happening, especially after the world wars and the cold war, and it seems something that you'd only see in movies and video games. The only logical situation I'd ever see a country training the troops for other than the obvious (relations and practice) are for problems such as terrorism or smaller, or weaker countries that are maybe unstable and/or cannot be negotiated with politically.

[QUOTE=SonicHitman;45414151] The only logical situation I'd ever see a country training the troops for other than the obvious (relations and practice) are for problems such as terrorism or smaller, or weaker countries that are maybe unstable and/or cannot be negotiated with politically.[/QUOTE] Fund the Tea party to overthrow the American government.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45408049]Yes. Russia and China have 2 of the largest militaries on the planet, China especially. They've got nearly 3 million active personnel with another 2 million in reserve, with the potential to draft up to 500+ million (men and women) in case shit really hits the fan. They're not the most advanced military in the world but strength in numbers beats all. [editline]16th July 2014[/editline] It would be completely insane to do so though; the economic toll would be in the trillions and the civilian death toll on both sides would be higher than all the deaths in WWI and WWII combined. Not to mention that the US has a well armed and patriotic civilian populace. Any signs of Red China stepping on US soil without our permission, and they'll be facing down a 100 million gun toting wannabe heroes.[/QUOTE] Still, I am doubtful any of their forces would ever reach our shores. Their combined naval strength is still fucking pitiful. Only Russia has the strength to actually put up a fight on sea, but not to win. Logistically speaking supporting an invasion of the USA is extremely hard because you have to cross an ocean to get supplies, medecine, ammo, and fresh recruits. This was the kind of thing that gave the Brits problems (twice!) and basically make an invasion of the USA impossible. Even when the Soviet Union was arguably stronger than us, they could never have supported an invasion, even with China's help. They have virtually no allies in the Americas from which to draw supplies in a pinch, where as they are surrounded by our allies (Japan, South Korea, formerly Western Europe which is now mostly the EU) that help ease the logistics part of it. And considering the absurd cost of vehicles and weapons, a full scale modern war would ruin the world economy and bankrupt anyone. If anybody does the invading (and subsequent economy ruining) it is us. We have the largest arms manufacturing sector in the world (and the healthiest because of our repeated useless wars), a larger manpower pool to draw from than Russia (China has more), and better tech than either of the two. China may be getting better military equipment, but from just the short research I did by looking at their active equipment, the PLA is lagging behind even Russia. The USA maintains a policy of "twice as good as the last guy". It is basically an updated M.A.D but with conventional weapons. It serves the same purpose. We guarantee our gear is so advanced that any attempt at an invasion would be almost assuredly the end of your military. Our defense spending was twice as much as Russias (that gap is narrower because Putin expanded the defense budget) who had the second highest defense spending. We have twice the everything, including available manpower. And we have powerful allies. The European NATO countries would start stomping Russia, with their forces tied up here, and we would deal with China.

Chinese military drills used to be hardcore as shit. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wYxcytt-6s[/media] 2:12