5 Year Old Kidnapped In Kansas, Killed In Shootout Between Abductor And Police - Polidicks

[quote]"The matter unfolded quite rapidly," said Leavenworth Police Chief Patrick Kitchens," who called the girl's death tragic. "We are still trying to sort out specifically what happened." Police said the sequence of events began about 7:30 p.m. Friday night when Cadence Harris of Leavenworth was reported kidnapped. Police said there was some relationship between the young girl and her abductor but would not provide details. Police in both Missouri and Kansas were involved in the chase as the suspect crossed the state line before the incident ended in the northeast Kansas town of Leavenworth. At some point the suspect exited his vehicle and pointed a gun at officers and they exchanged fire, Kitchens said. It was not clear if the abductor shot the girl or if she was hit by police gunfire in the exchange, he said.[/quote] [url]http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/kidnapped-girl-dead-after-kansas-shootout-between-police-suspect[/url]

If the abductor did it, he should never see the outside of a prison again, though I'd like to know his motivations. Probably ransom. [quote]Police said there was some relationship between the young girl and her abductor but would not provide details.[/quote] Could the abductor be known to the victim's family?

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45444997]If the abductor did it, he should never see the outside of a prison again, though I'd like to know his motivations. Probably ransom. Could the abductor be known to the victim's family?[/QUOTE] Fairly certain in most child abductions the kidnapper does know the family/is related to them.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;45445021]Fairly certain in most child abductions the kidnapper does know the family/is related to them.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility since the police mentioned that there was some relationship between the abductor and the victim.

He must have had some serious shit to hide if he was desperate enough to open fire on police.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45445024]It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility since the police mentioned that there was some relationship between the abductor and the victim.[/QUOTE] He's just saying that there's a crime statistic, which I don't feel like citing since I'm on my phone, that nearly all child abductions are committed by someone close to the family, be it a relative or close friend.

[QUOTE=Friendly;45445050]He must have had some serious shit to hide if he was desperate enough to open fire on police.[/QUOTE] Well a 5 year old that you kidnapped is generally seen as serious shit that you wouldn't want to show the police.

Were the police aware that the girl was with the abductor at the time? If so shouldn't they have tried to escape the gunfire instead of firing back?

That guy's gonna get fucked in prison, literally and figuratively. As it's always stated in these threads: people who hurt children generally aren't treated with [I]utmost[/I] respect.

[QUOTE=Golgo 13;45446175]That guy's gonna get fucked in prison, literally and figuratively. As it's always stated in these threads: people who hurt children generally aren't treated with [I]utmost[/I] respect.[/QUOTE] If he's big and tough enough of a guy then the inmates are not going to fuck him up as likely. [editline]20th July 2014[/editline] Also it's not clear who shot the girl, or anything. It may have been the cops, not deliberately of course. So what's up with the instant assumption that he's gonna get fucked up in prison?

[QUOTE=ArkKnight;45445704]Well a 5 year old that you kidnapped is generally seen as serious shit that you wouldn't want to show the police.[/QUOTE] Yeah but not quite the same jail sentence as shooting at cops. The sentence would have been much smaller, especially since he had some sort of relation to her.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45446297]If he's big and tough enough of a guy then the inmates are not going to fuck him up as likely. [/QUOTE] If an inmate has a child and know that another inmate caused the death of the child they will probably get the shit beat out of them.

If a criminal drives through into another state do the police that have been following him have to drop off and let others take over?

[QUOTE=Complifused;45446567]If a criminal drives through into another state do the police that have been following him have to drop off and let others take over?[/QUOTE] Yep. They're not the other state's official authority, and can't do anything. Is it retarded? Yes.

[QUOTE=Viewer;45446878]Yep. They're not the other state's official authority, and can't do anything. Is it retarded? Yes.[/QUOTE] But can they fire their gun over the state's border?

[QUOTE=Viewer;45446878]Yep. They're not the other state's official authority, and can't do anything. Is it retarded? Yes.[/QUOTE] Not quite like that at all, actually. Some states have a law on the books (Illinois is one I remember reading about) that any peace officer can pursue and arrest inside their borders if the chase was started in the officers own jurisdiction if it comes to that. But 90% of the time, any other country would have their own officers waiting and ready at the border for whoever they're chasing. Either way, an officer could likely pursue you from coast to coast if you robbed a bank, if they wanted. I doubt they'd face any repercussions.

Here's to hoping those self-adjusting bullets that DARPA is developing gets to a state of practical use soon enough.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45446297]If he's big and tough enough of a guy then the inmates are not going to fuck him up as likely. [editline]20th July 2014[/editline] Also it's not clear who shot the girl, or anything. It may have been the cops, not deliberately of course. So what's up with the instant assumption that he's gonna get fucked up in prison?[/QUOTE] People say that because it plays into their power trip revenge fantasies and shit.

[QUOTE=Friendly;45445050]He must have had some serious shit to hide if he was desperate enough to open fire on police.[/QUOTE] Kidnapping alone will get you a lot of prison time. If he sexually assaulted the kid, add more time. If he had already killed the kid, his life was effectively over anyways. He's probably really regretting that he wasn't killed by the cops.

[QUOTE=on the map;45446469]If an inmate has a child and know that another inmate caused the death of the child they will probably get the shit beat out of them.[/QUOTE] Oh boy. Trust me, compared to the things that the inmates would do to him if they found out, he would get down on his knees and beg for a beating.

[QUOTE=italics560;45451503]Oh boy. Trust me, compared to the things that the inmates would do to him if they found out, he would get down on his knees and beg for a beating.[/QUOTE] That shouldn't happen. No matter the crime committed, allowing inmates to beat on each other is just violence feeding violence. Nothing good comes of it. It isn't karmic justice, its just bloodthirst.

[QUOTE=Golgo 13;45446175]That guy's gonna get fucked in prison, literally and figuratively. As it's always stated in these threads: people who hurt children generally aren't treated with [I]utmost[/I] respect.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=italics560;45451503]Oh boy. Trust me, compared to the things that the inmates would do to him if they found out, he would get down on his knees and beg for a beating.[/QUOTE] I see the Facepunch Tactical Revenge Fantasy squad is already acting

The kids death is still on his hands whether he pulled the trigger or not. He's going down for it. It's the same as robbing a store with a friend and the friends kills the clerk, or is killed by police himself. It's still murder whether you specifically did it or not, your actions led to an unnecessary casualty.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;45447769]Here's to hoping those self-adjusting bullets that DARPA is developing gets to a state of practical use soon enough.[/QUOTE] I doubt that .50 cals will ever see their way into use by the poplice by standard. The bullet is both practical and impractical.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;45452844]I see the Facepunch Tactical Revenge Fantasy squad is already acting[/QUOTE] Did I say that is what I wanted to happen to him? No, I said that is what [I]will[/I] happen to him. Don't jump to conclusions like that. Our prisoners beat on, kill, and rape each other, it's a fact. Correctional Officers do their best to try and stop it, but there is only so much you can do without a complete and total correctional reform. And that isn't very likely to happen anytime soon. Not with the sheer amount of prisoners we have. [QUOTE=Grasp;45452319]That shouldn't happen. No matter the crime committed, allowing inmates to beat on each other is just violence feeding violence. Nothing good comes of it. It isn't karmic justice, its just bloodthirst.[/QUOTE] Well I'm sorry, but this is how American prison is. There are a lot of things "that shouldn't happen", but the world isn't a perfect place.

[QUOTE=Grasp;45452319]That shouldn't happen. No matter the crime committed, allowing inmates to beat on each other is just violence feeding violence. Nothing good comes of it. It isn't karmic justice, its just bloodthirst.[/QUOTE] LOL. Dude it's ok, we're just gonna keep nesting prisons in each other so the bad people go away mommy. What fucking world do you live in, man? Reddittopia?

[QUOTE=AcidGravy;45446117]Were the police aware that the girl was with the abductor at the time? If so shouldn't they have tried to escape the gunfire instead of firing back?[/QUOTE] Theres not enough details at present but even if the cops did know the shooter had a child with him, it's hard not to justify them not opening fire on him. He was pointing a gun at cops as was putting at risk quite a few lives, the child's included, by doing so. The article also states that it's not currently clear whether or not the shooter shot the child or if the child was killed by a stray round from the police.

[QUOTE=italics560;45462251]Did I say that is what I wanted to happen to him? No, I said that is what [I]will[/I] happen to him. Don't jump to conclusions like that. Our prisoners beat on, kill, and rape each other, it's a fact. Correctional Officers do their best to try and stop it, but there is only so much you can do without a complete and total correctional reform. And that isn't very likely to happen anytime soon. Not with the sheer amount of prisoners we have. [/QUOTE] I'm actually curious because I haven't seen any reports of prison killings notably. The only list I can find is all the inmates executed by Texas state or something, but no reportings of violence between inmates really, although I'm sure that also happens. Or is it not interesting enough for the media to report?