'Cruel': Obama sharply criticizes Trump's end to Dreamers program - Polidicks

[quote]“To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel.[/quote] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/05/donald-trump-daca-end-barack-obama-statement[/url] Something that scared me about this when I saw this on facebook: I was looking for the direct statement when I realized I was looking for a tweet. I hope we see a return to professionalism like this sooner rather than later...

I wish Obama had a third term :s:

Meanwhile, Sessions is still saying "BUT IT'S THE LAW AND ENFORCING THE LAW IS IMPORTANT!" Fuck you, Sessions. Discretion has been a fundamental element of policing since the very beginning, exactly because of situations like these -- where no [i]damage[/i] is being done. Laws do not exist for their own sake. 800,000 Americans whisked away to a country where they don't belong, 800,000 futures destroyed, and all conservatives have to say is "but the [i]law![/i]" Fucking shameful, this is

So I guess the law applies only when it needs to serve the GOP's ends, like always. Imagine trusting a bunch of corrupt, self serving hypocrites to discuss and formulate the nation's laws, when they only bother with it in the first place to gain traction with their voter base. I'm hoping the GOP get destroyed politically in the upcoming elections somehow, but judging by what the democrats have been up to, I'm having serious doubts on that front.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;52652905]I'm hoping the GOP get destroyed politically in the upcoming elections somehow, but judging by what the democrats have been up to, I'm having serious doubts on that front.[/QUOTE] It'd sure be nice if both parties exploded and got replaced with something that less resembled a sewage processing plant than actual political parties who gave a damn about the US and its people.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;52653307]It'd sure be nice if both parties exploded and got replaced with something that less resembled a sewage processing plant than actual political parties who gave a damn about the US and its people.[/QUOTE] I'm still in favour of tearing it all down. There's a risk of the old reforming under a new banner, but at the same time there's a chance for new blood to take dominance in some of the newly-formed parties.

Can someone from the EU just liberate us already? I don't know if we'll make the 4 year mark.

Today's Republicans are worms.

[QUOTE=Dbot;52653613]Can someone from the EU just liberate us already? I don't know if we'll make the 4 year mark.[/QUOTE] At the rate this is going I'd be surprised if you made it to the 1 year mark

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52653903]DACA was unconstitutional because it usurped power from congress. They're wanting to pass something extremely similar to what DACA did in congress, but go ahead and twist reality some more. White House literally stated they would continue the Obama policy of only deporting criminals.[/QUOTE] Lmao at you trusting anything the white house has to say about what it's up to. I'll believe this administration has good intentions for this when I see it.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52653903]DACA was unconstitutional because it usurped power from congress. They're wanting to pass something extremely similar to what DACA did in congress, but go ahead and twist reality some more. White House literally stated they would continue the Obama policy of only deporting criminals.[/QUOTE] Why are you surprised that people aren't trusting an administration packed full of people who have a reputation of lying through their teeth every chance they get?

[URL="https://www.facebook.com/barackobama/posts/10155227588436749"]Here's the statement, on Facebook, was a nice read[/URL] [QUOTE=FinalHunter;52653903]DACA was unconstitutional because it usurped power from congress. They're wanting to pass something extremely similar to what DACA did in congress, but go ahead and twist reality some more. White House literally stated they would continue the Obama policy of only deporting criminals.[/QUOTE] Obama himself denounced the decision and you're trying to twist it into not being as bad as it is :v: [editline]6th September 2017[/editline] Congress had years to pass a bill that formally implements what DACA does but it never happened

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52653903]White House literally stated they would continue the Obama policy of only deporting criminals.[/QUOTE] Yeah but just a few months ago Trump said he'd treat the Dreamers with "great heart" and then the cowardly fuck sent anti-immigration stalwart Jeff Sessions out to announce its death warrant. Trump has already betrayed the trust dreamers put into the White House when they voluntarily revealed the details of their illegal immigration status and how/when they entered the country. You expect them to trust the White House now when it says it'll only deport the "bad hombres"? And you expect them to trust the White House when the President's voter base wants all illegal immigrants gone? Trump has shown a willingness to act to please his voterbase regardless of the impact to the rest of the country, and you're asking them to trust that it'll be different once they're eligible for deportation? Are you not aware that ICE's deportations of non-criminals is spiking?

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52653903][B]DACA was unconstitutional because it usurped power from congress[/B]. They're wanting to pass something extremely similar to what DACA did in congress, but go ahead and twist reality some more. [B]White House literally stated they would continue the Obama policy of only deporting criminals.[/B][/QUOTE] what happens if the WH redefines what a deportation-worthy criminal is? like, what if we get more Arpaios who will arrest anyone on the wrong side of the swatch? will all of those people be deported? would a teenage of arabian descent be sent to Saudi Arabia because they had a small bag of weed on them? furthermore, why should someone was brought to a country against their will be sent to a country they have no connection to, they could not consent, it was not their action to take but they're going to be punished because ????? sins of the father I guess you're terminally naive if you think that Trump did this because of any respect for the rule of law, it's an excuse to disguise a political manoeuvre

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52653903][B]DACA was unconstitutional because it usurped power from congress.[/B] They're wanting to pass something extremely similar to what DACA did in congress, but go ahead and twist reality some more. White House literally stated they would continue the Obama policy of only deporting criminals.[/QUOTE] That's a bold claim. Want to back that up with any argument? Or did you just coast through con law and it sounds good to you? Or are you just parroting any stupid legal theory put forward by /r/T_D and have no idea what unconstitutionality is?

[QUOTE=Snowmew;52654151]That's a bold claim. Want to back that up with any argument? Or did you just coast through con law and it sounds good to you? Or are you just parroting any stupid legal theory put forward by /r/T_D and have no idea what unconstitutionality is?[/QUOTE] I'm no constitutuional scholar, not even being from the USA, but the argument I've seen is that Congress is supposed to have jurisdiction over federal immigration policy, which meant that an Executive Order defining immigration policy would qualify as executive overreach. I don't know if this argument is [I]valid[/I], because I don't myself know for a fact that Congress has dominion over this topic and the President is supposed to be hands-off, but that's my understanding of the opposition to DACA. And if that actually [I]is[/I] true, I find it hard to disagree with the accusation on its face -- but it is important to understand that DACA was implemented in the context of a Congress that refused to address the matter at all. [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905228667336499200[/media] And Trump is clearly not [I]too[/I] worried about executive overreach because if Congress can't get their shit together in six months he, like Obama did before him, will consider controlling immigration policy by Executive Order. :goodjob:

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52653903]DACA was unconstitutional because it usurped power from congress. They're wanting to pass something extremely similar to what DACA did in congress, but go ahead and twist reality some more. White House literally stated they would continue the Obama policy of only deporting criminals.[/QUOTE] How do you trust things the White House says at this point? Genuinely curious.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52653903]DACA was unconstitutional because it usurped power from congress. They're wanting to pass something extremely similar to what DACA did in congress, but go ahead and twist reality some more. White House literally stated they would continue the Obama policy of only deporting criminals.[/QUOTE] If it's unconstitutional, take it to the Supreme Court and let them decide. The White House doesn't get to decide the meaning of constitutionality, especially not THIS White House.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52654196][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905228667336499200[/media] And Trump is clearly not [I]too[/I] worried about executive overreach because if Congress can't get their shit together in six months he, like Obama did before him, will consider controlling immigration policy by Executive Order. :goodjob:[/QUOTE] "If Congress doesn't kill it, either I do or I will take credit for it." So it's just one more step in undermining Obama's legacy, which is what this administration seems to be all about because regardless of what happens they're gonna scratch Obama's name from it.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52654196]I'm no constitutuional scholar, not even being from the USA, but the argument I've seen is that Congress is supposed to have jurisdiction over federal immigration policy, which meant that an Executive Order defining immigration policy would qualify as executive overreach. I don't know if this argument is [I]valid[/I], because I don't myself know for a fact that Congress has dominion over this topic and the President is supposed to be hands-off, but that's my understanding of the opposition to DACA. And if that actually [I]is[/I] true, I find it hard to disagree with the accusation on its face -- but it is important to understand that DACA was implemented in the context of a Congress that refused to address the matter at all. [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905228667336499200[/media] And Trump is clearly not [I]too[/I] worried about executive overreach because if Congress can't get their shit together in six months he, like Obama did before him, will consider controlling immigration policy by Executive Order. :goodjob:[/QUOTE] Trump's attention span and commitment to anything barely lasts longer than 6 minutes, let alone 6 months. One would have to be deluded to think we can take ANYTHING he says at face value.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52653903]DACA was unconstitutional because it usurped power from congress. They're wanting to pass something extremely similar to what DACA did in congress, but go ahead and twist reality some more. White House literally stated they would continue the Obama policy of only deporting criminals.[/QUOTE] Remember that DACA passed the House but was filibustered in the Senate by Republicans. Hardly an honourable tactic worthy of getting rid of a vital and moral and humane piece of legislation.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52654259]How do you trust things the White House says at this point? Genuinely curious.[/QUOTE] Wilful ignorance? A total division from easily observable facts? Who knows but the Trump train is a crazy one