if this is all a simulation, i want whoever is running this shit to pull the plug and stop it already
what a terrible simulation, if i didn't have more than 2 hours racked up on this, i'd have requested a refund.
[QUOTE=loopoo;52703772]if this is all a simulation, i want whoever is running this shit to pull the plug and stop it already
what a terrible simulation, if i didn't have more than 2 hours racked up on this, i'd have requested a refund.[/QUOTE]
Man if you could contact the one running the sim how about asking them to make it better.
Like a proper sandbox, separate universe for everyone.
Not really any arguments against in either videos. I mean I dunno I can appreciate the idea but I've always found these discussions kind of meaningless; because the argument itself overrides any evidence against; if our physical being is a simulation what are our thoughts, dreams and subconscious? And the answer would be the computer is just so powerful it can handle that, and that's pretty much the answer for everything.
Like I dunno it doesn't seem to really have any more depth than similar things like; Is reality just a dream because you wouldn't know if you were actually dreaming.
Surprised the Vsauce video didn't reference Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy when talking about a purpose to the simulation
man the vsauce3 guy felt really out of place in kurgesagt's video lol
his terrible pronunciation of the word [I]Kurzgesagt[/I] made me cringe
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52704144]Surprised the Vsauce video didn't reference Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy when talking about a purpose to the simulation[/QUOTE]
I forgot, what was the purpose of the simulated universe in that one?
Lets say life exists for some simple goal. Wouldn't it be extremely important that your human creatures were designed so they "feel" alive and "feel" like there's a reason/god so they wouldn't fall trap to nihilism? What I mean is, the way we age we cant really understand stuff for a while and kind of just 'shrug off' life until we slowly start piecing it together. You wouldnt want a robot to just snap on and suddenly start analyzing the world with the fullest potential of it's brain if you required it's complacency. You want it to accept life and desire to live and do good things [I]way[/I] before it starts using it's entire brain to calculate which move is the best for it. If you were a clever 'god' you would never reveal yourself to him but code him to "know" you exist. (I guess this kind of a plot point in Westworld now that I think about it)
I'm picturing a hyper advanced Civ game where some kid cant get his civilization very far because he wants them all to be atheist and hyper intelligent. So they're all nihilistic in nature and his suicide rates are massive. Everyone who gets a life sentence or cheated on just kills themselves and he can't get them to do anything like build super-cities or fight wars.
Whether we're simulated, real, controlled by a god, cosmological happenstance, it doesn't really matter. We would always feel much more comfy pretending (and no offense meant by this if you're religious) in Jesus Christ stories than thinking the love you feel for your wife, or perception of pain, is purely chemical. Either we were coded this way, God made us this way, or natural selection steered us this way, it doesn't really matter because it's all the same end result as far as you I and are capable of knowing. We feel alive and like we have free will and I think think while that implies we exist for a reason, I don't think it implies anything about the nature of reality. I think we underestimate the power of "whatever helps you sleep at night" and the direct effect it has on a creatures success in life. Pragmatic truths > actual truths.
[QUOTE=MedicWine;52704433]Lets say life exists for some simple goal. Wouldn't it be extremely important that your human creatures were designed so they "feel" alive and "feel" like there's a reason/god so they wouldn't fall trap to nihilism? What I mean is, the way we age we cant really understand stuff for a while and kind of just 'shrug off' life until we slowly start piecing it together. You wouldnt want a robot to just snap on and suddenly start analyzing the world with the fullest potential of it's brain if you required it's complacency. You want it to accept life and desire to live and do good things [I]way[/I] before it starts using it's entire brain to calculate which move is the best for it. If you were a clever 'god' you would never reveal yourself to him but code him to "know" you exist. (I guess this kind of a plot point in Westworld now that I think about it)
I'm picturing a hyper advanced Civ game where some kid cant get his civilization very far because he wants them all to be atheist and hyper intelligent. So they're all nihilistic in nature and his suicide rates are massive. Everyone who gets a life sentence or cheated on just kills themselves and he can't get them to do anything like build super-cities or fight wars.
Whether we're simulated, real, controlled by a god, cosmological happenstance, it doesn't really matter. We would always feel much more comfy pretending (and no offense meant by this if you're religious) in Jesus Christ stories than thinking the love you feel for your wife, or perception of pain, is purely chemical. Either we were coded this way, God made us this way, or natural selection steered us this way, it doesn't really matter because it's all the same end result as far as you I and are capable of knowing. We feel alive and like we have free will and I think think while that implies we exist for a reason, I don't think it implies anything about the nature of reality. I think we underestimate the power of "whatever helps you sleep at night" and the direct effect it has on a creatures success in life. Pragmatic truths > actual truths.[/QUOTE]
This sounds like a pre-programmed response. Now I'm more certain than ever that the entire universe is a simulated hologram.
Even if our reality is a simulation I still want to push boundaries and explore it, just like any well made Gmod map its self-actualizing to explore and learn about it. And leave it in a better shape than we found it.
Well atleast that's my philosophy.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52704960]Not a simulated universe, but the idea of the earth being an experiment meant to answer philosophical questions would be a neat concept for one[/QUOTE]
There was a simulated universe in one of the later books, too, that Arthur Dent accidentally got himself into for a while.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52704144]Surprised the Vsauce video didn't reference Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy when talking about a purpose to the simulation[/QUOTE]
The Kurzgesagt vid did have a neat little nod to Deep Thought, though.
My issue with simulation theories is they don't actually change anything.
It's a classic example of "you can't prove [I]or[/I] disprove it", since the 'higher universe' could abide by completely different 'laws' (if physics as we know it even exist there)
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;52705980]My issue with simulation theories is they don't actually change anything.
It's a classic example of "you can't prove [I]or[/I] disprove it", since the 'higher universe' could abide by completely different 'laws' (if physics as we know it even exist there)[/QUOTE]
If you knew for a fact that your entire life was a simulation, you wouldn't feel upset?
[QUOTE=Quark:;52705982]If you knew for a fact that your entire life was a simulation, you wouldn't feel upset?[/QUOTE]
What makes it any less as real or significant as a non-simulated one?
[QUOTE=Quark:;52705982]If you knew for a fact that your entire life was a simulation, you wouldn't feel upset?[/QUOTE]
Would be kinda relieving honestly
[QUOTE=Quark:;52705982]If you knew for a fact that your entire life was a simulation, you wouldn't feel upset?[/QUOTE]
I don't think I would. If you really think about it, the questions that would be brought up if the universe was simulated are questions that people already ask themselves. Is there another world beyond this one? Are my decisions even my own? Is my entire life already set in stone or can I do what I want?
I feel like because of that, I'd be able to continue living as I do now. Of course, that would depend on if those questions are answered in detail or if we just find out the bare minimum "we're in a simulation". It would be easier if we only knew that much, and I think it'd be a bit harder if we found out in detail about how the simulation works.
And this is not super relevant, but I retyped this reply like 3 times because I kept thinking and rethinking how I felt about this topic which is pretty neat. :cat:
I don't like the guy they brought in for the video. His voice is annoying.
[QUOTE=Quark:;52705982]If you knew for a fact that your entire life was a simulation, you wouldn't feel upset?[/QUOTE]
I don't have a way to tell the difference -- if this universe is a simulation, it's still the only reality I've ever known.
I'm not trying to be deep or edgy or whatever, but honestly I'm very indifferent to the idea.
My line of thinking is, if we can create a single ai in our computers, then someone far more advanced than us could create an ai civilization in a simulation- us, for example. What if it's recursive and keeps happening?
[QUOTE=Savage Octane;52706331]My line of thinking is, if we can create a single ai in our computers, then someone far more advanced than us could create an ai civilization in a simulation- us, for example. What if it's recursive and keeps happening?[/QUOTE]
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7L6SSxIvms[/media]
I know I shill for this show a lot but I'm only posting because its relevant
VR headsets seem to be pretty immersive (I haven't tried any) and their rising popularity is what made me start thinking about whether life is just a game. If it is, I really hope it's a singleplayer game, I'm the protagonist and eventually everything is going to be alright.
[QUOTE=Savage Octane;52706331]My line of thinking is, if we can create a single ai in our computers, then someone far more advanced than us could create an ai civilization in a simulation- us, for example. What if it's recursive and keeps happening?[/QUOTE]
That's the whole point of the simulation hypothesis. If a species is advanced enough to simulate an entire universe, then they would likely simulate many universes at once, and if those universes are complex enough to run their own simulations, then it happens recursively, infinitely, all the way down. Then you it's simply a statistical likelihood that if you throw a dart at the board of those infinitely many universes (with the 1 'top level' universe) how likely is it that you hit that one single universe?
In my opinion, I agree with the final bit of the Kurzgesagt video. Taking simulation hypothesis seriously is meaningless in the context of hard science until we have the methods to test it. Now, I may be completely incorrect and we have ways of probing it already (:johnnymo1:) but otherwise it is nothing more than an interesting thought experiment. Honestly, the point that is most interesting for me is: If a universe is simulated, is there any way for the simulated universe to interact with their upper-level universe? Whether it is simulated or not. I would assume it relies on many factors (including the 'parameters' of the simulation) but it is interesting to think about.
Simulation theory is a hypothetical crock of shit tbh. Its proponents offer no real mechanism to either simulate an entire quantum universe while addressing the storage problem, or for culling what isn't consciously observed. It just ignores the former and treats the latter as a trivial problem.
Like it astounds me that the simulation hypothesis doesn't even include the assumption "It is physically possible to create a simulation of a universe."
[QUOTE=Savage Octane;52706331]My line of thinking is, if we can create a single ai in our computers, then someone far more advanced than us could create an ai civilization in a simulation- us, for example. What if it's recursive and keeps happening?[/QUOTE]
Recursion of that nature is going to have a severe performance and storage impact making it impossible.
[QUOTE=Quark:;52705982]If you knew for a fact that your entire life was a simulation, you wouldn't feel upset?[/QUOTE]
well if the one above the simulation is consistently and provably real - an idea totally alien to our own ambiguously real existence - it would probably be so fundamentally different that i wouldn't want any part of it, if my consciousness could even exist there.
and if it's not provably real then we're just going in circles aren't we?
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