• World’s Oldest Cancer Found in Bone of 120,000 Year-Old Neanderthal
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[QUOTE]The world's oldest known human tumour has been found in the rib bone of a Neanderthal who lived more than 120,000 years ago. The bone was evacuated from a site in Krapina, Croatia more than 100 years ago and has been found to have contracted the fibrous dysplasia tumour, a cancer which is common among modern-day humans. This discovery by David Frayer from the University of Kansas predates previous evidence of the tumour by more than 100,000 years. Before this discovery, the earliest bone tumour was seen in an Egyptian mummy around 2,000 years ago. David Frayer, professor of anthropology at the University of Kansas, said: "It's evidence that Neanderthals suffered tumours - that they were susceptible to the same kinds of diseases that we see in modern humans. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/475461/20130606/oldest-cancer-tumour-neanderthal-bone-120000-years.htm[/URL]
I hope they get into chemo and get better soon
I wonder what kinda of scientific implications this will have, could anyone here enlighten me please?
[QUOTE=The Aussie;40922192]I wonder what kinda of scientific implications this will have, could anyone here enlighten me please?[/QUOTE] Cancer has been around for a while?
[QUOTE=The Aussie;40922192]I wonder what kinda of scientific implications this will have, could anyone here enlighten me please?[/QUOTE] That cancer is a time traveling villain!
[QUOTE]that they were susceptible to the same kinds of diseases that we see in modern humans.[/QUOTE] Maybe another explaination to as to why they were wiped out by humanity?
Now, if he had only not reproduced, maybe, just maybe we would have been rid of that god damn cancer..
[QUOTE=Reds;40922198]Cancer has been around for a while?[/QUOTE] Cancer appears in most, if not all beings. I don't see the significance of this. Crocodiles, some of the oldest animals on the plants, can still get cancer.
[QUOTE=mrgrim333;40922279]Now, if he had only not reproduced, maybe, just maybe we would have been rid of that god damn cancer..[/QUOTE] Hope you realize we didn't come from neanderthals, but rather cro-magnons. Anyway, cancer has been around for as long as complex life has. Other animals get cancer too. It's just one of the major flaws that life never seems to know how to get rid of. Still, pretty cool find.
Can cancers get cancer?
[QUOTE=The Aussie;40922330]Cancer appears in most, if [B]not all [/B]beings. I don't see the significance of this. Crocodiles, some of the oldest animals on the plants, can still get cancer.[/QUOTE] Naked mole rats haven't had any observed cases of cancer yet! But yeah, most animals can get it. [editline]6th June 2013[/editline] Then again, naked mole rats are pretty fucked up and awesome. They're eusocial, poikilothermic, lack a load of chemical pain receptors and live for fucking ages. Wierd, wierd animals.
[QUOTE=Rosek;40922215]That cancer is a time traveling villain![/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.109835!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_420/image.jpg"]I know what that villain looks like[/URL]
[QUOTE=The Aussie;40922192]I wonder what kinda of scientific implications this will have, could anyone here enlighten me please?[/QUOTE] The scientific implication is that the world is older than 6000years. :eng101:
[QUOTE=Bradyns;40922488]The scientific implication is that the world is older than 6000years. :eng101:[/QUOTE] That won't change their minds sadly. [sp]Read in Farnsworths voice, yay[/sp]
[QUOTE=The Aussie;40922330]Cancer appears in most, if not all beings. I don't see the significance of this. Crocodiles, some of the oldest animals on the plants, can still get cancer.[/QUOTE] When you're messing with old ass bones your whole life you kind of wanna make it a big deal if you find anything out of the ordinary (the ordinary being finding an old bone that's different from other old bones, not something actually weird)
I don't think anyone said "HOLY SHIT GUYS LOOK AT THIS". It's just cool that they found something like this. Science doesn't immediate implications to be done, or to be reported on.
[QUOTE=Lunik;40922332]Hope you realize we didn't come from neanderthals, but rather cro-magnons. Anyway, cancer has been around for as long as complex life has. Other animals get cancer too. It's just one of the major flaws that life never seems to know how to get rid of. Still, pretty cool find.[/QUOTE] There is a percentage of Neanderthal dna in modern humans due to interbreeding
Ladies and Gents, we have found the original WERECANCER! We must drive a stainless steel stake through its heart to kill it! Once that is done, every cancer case in the world will be cured!
[QUOTE=Paramud;40922191]I hope they get into chemo and get better soon[/QUOTE] Don't worry, I heard it's in remission.
What kind of carcinogen would he have come in to contact with?
[QUOTE=crazyjames;40925203]What kind of carcinogen would he have come in to contact with?[/QUOTE] You don't need one, mutations can happen on their own.
[QUOTE=crazyjames;40925203]What kind of carcinogen would he have come in to contact with?[/QUOTE] You don't need to come into contact with carcinogens to get cancer. It can arise spontaneously, but lots of natural substances are carcinogenic. For example, aflatoxin is produced by fungi and is a very potent liver carcinogen.
I wonder if cancer is a evolutionary flaw or it's just something we don't fully understand?
[quote] The bone was evacuated from a site in Krapina, Croatia more than 100 years ago and has been found to have contracted the fibrous dysplasia tumour, [B]a cancer[/B] which is [B]common[/B] among modern-day humans. [/quote] The editors of this article are terribly misinformed. Fibrous dysplasia of the bone is [URL="http://www.fibrousdysplasia.org/index.php?page=16#7"]not a form of cancer.[/URL] Furthermore, while it is the most common of occurrences in abnormal growth in bone,[URL="http://www.fibrousdysplasia.org/index.php?page=16"] it is extremely rare in the general population. [/URL]
These scientists are obviously lying, cancer was never a problem until technology permeated our society. Cell phones, microwaves, ovens, lightbulbs - all cancer-causers! The only reason I haven't been diagnosed with cancer is because of the vitamin supplements I take, the herbal tea I have daily, and the fact that I've managed to balance my chakras to a healthy level. It's just widespread because so many people are ignorant of the fact that technology is damaging to our astral systems! I wish people wouldn't waste so much money on chemotherapy when you can just start a paleo diet and start having genuine snake oil extracts to boost your autoimmune lymphatics and adrenal fatigue symptoms. Scientists, psh. I'll trust my shamanic guru yogi over any scientist any day - at least they don't give me weird looks when I say that I raise non-GMO free-range rats for sustenance. Technology will be the downfall of the world, watch my words. I had a spiritual vision on it last time I astral projected while in a lucid dream. Ron Paul 2016. Sent from my iPhone.
[QUOTE=Reds;40922198]Cancer has been around for a while?[/QUOTE] No no no no! Cancer is something that just appeared recently, according to my granma! Because of all the radiowaves and air pollution and whatnot, and because of the evil in the world! People didn't die of it in the old days or anything. Heck, we never heard about it! Also, it spreads faster if you say "cancer" out loud, and eating fish with meat gives you diseases.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;40922192]I wonder what kinda of scientific implications this will have, could anyone here enlighten me please?[/QUOTE] It can show us how Cancer can affect the bodies of different humanoid species (as we know Cancer in rats vs humans, monkey vs humans, but now Neanderthal) but also in relation to how the disease has developed. Have our genetics just 'always' had this issue? Does it seem to grow differently then than it does now? There is alot of data to come from something like this, it's rather cool.
[QUOTE=Keys;40926942]It can show us how Cancer can affect the bodies of different humanoid species (as we know Cancer in rats vs humans, monkey vs humans, but now Neanderthal) but also in relation to how the disease has developed. Have our genetics just 'always' had this issue? Does it seem to grow differently then than it does now? There is alot of data to come from something like this, it's rather cool.[/QUOTE] Except, if you had bothered to read three posts above, this has nothing to do with cancer at all.
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;40927087]Except, if you had bothered to read three posts above, this has nothing to do with cancer at all.[/QUOTE] 'Tomatoe' 'Tomato' They discovered a form [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibrous_dysplasia_of_bone]Fibrous dysplasia[/url], which is a tumor growth of the bone; [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer]Cancer[/url], known medically, is a malignant neoplasm. (An abormal growth) and consists of a BROAD spectrum of diseases. Just because it's not Leukemia or Lymphoma doesn't mean you can't classify it as a "Cancer". [b]Edit:[/b] Now, stepping outside of your OCD semantics, never the less it can still be used to compare old to new and determine how the diseases has affected man over the centuries, how our bodies handled it then compared to now, and potentially how better to fight it. Also; [QUOTE=Dyneskye;40925346]I wonder if cancer is a evolutionary flaw or it's just something we don't fully understand?[/QUOTE] As far as we can tell, it is a normal aspect of living in the World. Day-in and Day-out you are being bombarded by hundreds of different levels and forms of radiation, many of which are interacting with your DNA and causing what we would consider 'damage'. There have been suggestions that Solar Radiation is the reason for early evolution (providing random gene mutations which, eventually lead to successful traits). Radiation also plays a large role in aging and the 'wear and tear' we experience on our bodies throughout our lives. Therefore it is likely that Cancer has been around for as long as Life has been around, albeit in different forms and varying complexities. What isn't normal however, is the level at which we are seeing Cancer occurrences, and not just Cancer either, other diseases as well such as: Diabetes, Alzheimers, and even examples such as Fibrous Dysplasia.
[QUOTE=Keys;40927163]'Tomatoe' 'Tomato' They discovered a form [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibrous_dysplasia_of_bone]Fibrous dysplasia[/url], which is a tumor growth of the bone; [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer]Cancer[/url], known medically, is a malignant neoplasm. (An abormal growth) and consists of a BROAD spectrum of diseases. Just because it's not Leukemia or Lymphoma doesn't mean you can't classify it as a "Cancer". [/QUOTE] no, this is not a case of tomato or tomatoe, nor is it a discussion of semantics. fibrous dyslpasia of the bone is [U][B]not[/B][/U] cancer. The wikipedia article you linked even states this specifically. please do the respectful thing and admit you're wrong without calling me OCD, thanks.
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