Interesting to see how this goes down:
[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29394697[/URL]
[QUOTE]Conservative MP Mark Reckless has announced that he is leaving the party to join UKIP.
The Rochester and Strood MP made the announcement at the UKIP party conference, in Doncaster.
Delegates started to spontaneously chant "UKIP, UKIP" when Mr Reckless announced his decision, which he said was not easy.
The move comes just weeks after Clacton MP Douglas Carswell defected from the Conservatives to join UKIP.[/QUOTE]
There's probably a lot of them that want to defect.
They'll do it one at a time in the run up to the general election so that it's always in the news.
Does this mean UKIP now have seats in parliament?
No, it triggers a bi-election and the constituency have to vote on who represents them in parliament.
I think so anyway.
I think their plan is to cause so much chaos for the Tories with these bi-elections to keep them from focusing on the General Election.
right wing MP joins slightly more right wing party
Mr Reckless indeed.
Awesome!
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46088716]No, it triggers a bi-election and the constituency have to vote on who represents them in parliament.
I think so anyway.[/QUOTE]
It only triggers a by-election if the candidate decides to resign. Both Doug Carswell and Mark Reckless could have just joined UKIP and sat until May 2015 as UKIP Members in the House of Commons but they have both decided instead that would be unfair as they were not elected as UKIP Candidates so they have resigned and will stand for re-election in the by-election their resignation triggers.
For Fucks sake joining Ukip will achieve nothing at all, all it means is that it's harder to achieve an In-Out referendum because the Conservatives are further away from a majority.
You could say he made a [B][I]reckless[/I][/B] decision
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xb8gKUs.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=krakadict;46088917]Awesome![/QUOTE]
I guess it could be pretty awesome, hopefully this guy will make the same gaffe many other UKIP members have and expose himself as a straight up racist! I love it when that happens.
But for realsies, UKIP are a fucking terrible party, their "plans" merely reflect popular opinion to get them in to power, once they're in, do you honestly think they give a real toss about the lives of the working class? "Oh but tax cuts!!" you might say, but the social safety net that keeps most working class families relies on this, and they have proposed [B]nothing[/B] to deal with that.
Plus Farage looks like a fucking Thunderbirds puppet and that shit is hilarious.
[QUOTE=agentalexandre;46088790]Mr Reckless indeed.[/QUOTE]
He was actually caught blind drunk in the MP's bar a few years ago guess what his apology speech was? "I'm sorry for being so Reckless"
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[B]
Where UKIP thinks the UK is[/B]
[img]http://sinus.cz/~milan/ukip_middle_europe.jpg[/img]
I don't want to disappoint the UKiP folks we have here, but all the Tory rebels will do is make it harder for a right-wing party to win, as you're now splitting the tory vote. People aren't necessarily going to vote for a single MP 'because he's so awesome and I know him from the pub'.
Hell, keep at it, it'll just make Labour's win easier (Sadly)
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;46090071]I don't want to disappoint the UKiP folks we have here, but all the Tory rebels will do is make it harder for a right-wing party to win, as you're now splitting the tory vote. People aren't necessarily going to vote for a single MP 'because he's so awesome and I know him from the pub'.
Hell, keep at it, it'll just make Labour's win easier (Sadly)[/QUOTE]
Probably not - Douglas Carswell's defection triggered a bi-election in Clacton, where in 2010 the Conservatives got 53% of the vote. The most recent polls, however, put UKIP on 54% and Conservatives on 24%..
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;46090071]I don't want to disappoint the UKiP folks we have here, but all the Tory rebels will do is make it harder for a right-wing party to win, as you're now splitting the tory vote. People aren't necessarily going to vote for a single MP 'because he's so awesome and I know him from the pub'.
Hell, keep at it, it'll just make Labour's win easier (Sadly)[/QUOTE]
Can't they set up a coalition anyway?
Need labour mps to defect.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46092757]Can't they set up a coalition anyway?[/QUOTE]
Only if they want to, which I doubt Farage would accept if that did indeed happen. His whole idea is to smash the current political system and so far with these defections it's working.
He's kind of like Ebola, he starts off under the radar and soon he'll become a full blown outbreak.
... So what, does everybody suddenly support UKIP, or?
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46094655]... So what, does everybody suddenly support UKIP, or?[/QUOTE]
I used to be strictly pro-EU and therefore against stuff like UKIP. That has been changing quite a bit over the last years, though I would not say I am anti-EU now/yet.
I imagine I'm not alone.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46092994]Only if they want to, which I doubt Farage would accept if that did indeed happen. His whole idea is to smash the current political system and so far with these defections it's working.
He's kind of like Ebola, he starts off under the radar and soon he'll become a full blown outbreak.[/QUOTE]
The Conservatives would never go into coalition with Ukip. It would give Ukip legitimacy and that's the last thing the Conservatives want.
Ukip is a fad, in 2015 they'll gain a handful of MPs, over the course of the next Parliament the electorate will see how pointless voting for them is on the grounds they're outside government and now also inside the "establishment" and Ukip will no longer be able to maintain the whole "non-protest protest vote" bullshit. Presuming that there isn't an EU referendum in 2017 or that it fails, Ukip will inevitably lose MEPs in the 2019 European election on the grounds that they'll be facing a resurgent Conservative party, recovering from a possible defeat in 2015 and having to hold onto a substantial amount of seats in a PR system. This means that Ukip will go into the 2020 election demoralised and without momentum where then their parliamentary party will be wiped out.
I seem to remember Reckless making a huge gaffe at the beginning of this government, then being quietly pushed to the backbench. If so this might explain his sudden departure.
Edit: He was caught drunk in the Parliament bar, which he was subsequently banned from.
Mark Reckless sounds like a WWE name
people who actually support leaving the EU need to get a grip on reality
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;46097123]people who actually support leaving the EU need to get a grip on reality[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say that but a lot of the Ukip supporters I've met definitely do need to get a grip on reality.
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