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[quote]SCIENTISTS say they have discovered the first solid evidence that variations in some peoples' genes may cause depression - one of the world's most common and costly mental illnesses.
And in a rare occurrence in genetic research, the findings by a British-led international team have been replicated at the same time by another group from Washington University who were studying an entirely separate group of people.
The researchers said they hoped the findings would bring scientists closer to developing more effective treatments for patients with depression, since currently available medicines for depression only work in around half of patients.
'These findings ... will help us track down specific genes that are altered in people with this disease,' said Gerome Breen of King's College London's Institute of Psychiatry, who led one of the studies. He added, however, that any new drugs developed from these findings would be unlikely to be ready for treating patients for another 10 to 15 years.
The first study analysed more 800 families with recurrent depression, while the second examined depression and heavy smoking in a series of families from Australia and Finland.
Both studies were published in the American Journal of Psychiatry on Monday and both teams reported a strong link between depression and genetic variations in a region called chromosome 3p25-26.[/quote]
[url]http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/TechandScience/Story/STIStory_669143.html[/url]
good god, what's with all the genes threads recently
[editline]16th May 2011[/editline]
also that tf2 dribble is absolutely pointless
I thought we already knew this. . .?
I think the point is that now they don't think it's based in genes, it's that they now have evidence to show, that for at least most of the cases of depression that there are genetic foundations, and that they now have a region of alleles to snoop around in.
So it's because of my genes that I'm depressed, you say?
And here I thought it was because my Dad's a hoarder, my younger brother's a felon, and my older brother has aspergers! Waddya know.
Yeah did you read my post or the article? or know anything about the implications of genetic research such as this?
I'll explain it anyway.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrior_gene#Warrior_gene[/url]
That gene is found in a lot of serial killers, murderers and other people who do bad things, it's found that statistically you're more likely to fuck peoples days up if you have that gene, but not everyone with that gene goes about killing people it simply means that you are genetically predisposed to certain courses of action.
And in counterbalance to that there are killers without the gene, whether you have that gene or not it just means you are more likely to be depressed from a genetic base, you can still become depressed from situations in your life, all it means is it might make it easier to become depressed due to this trait.
Basically you read the article wrong and assumed it meant all depression has a genetic root, that's not what they are saying, they're saying that this could be the root cause of recurrent depression when exposed to triggers.
[QUOTE=Supacasey;29860244]So it's because of my genes that I'm depressed, you say?
And here I thought it was because my Dad's a hoarder, my younger brother's a felon, and my older brother has aspergers! Waddya know.[/QUOTE]
Medical depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain, while environmental effects (such as what you described) can be triggers they aren't the direct cause
Ah fuck, not something I want to hear. My girlfriend's mother has depression.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;29862407]Ah fuck, not something I want to hear. My girlfriend's mother has depression.[/QUOTE]
So?
Doesn't mean it'll pass on to her daughter.
yeah, lets search in our body instead of our society...
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;29863011]yeah, lets search in our body instead of our society...[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's pretty typical, because biological causes are easily identified and fixed, as opposed to structural causes.
See biological determinism in crime of the last century, where all the 'criminally predisposed' tend to be living in poor shitholes.
[QUOTE=BloodYScar;29863011]yeah, lets search in our body instead of our society...[/QUOTE]
Ever wondered how some people are always happy no matter how shit a situation they are in?
Yeah they are probably genetically predisposed to that, and why not check the body? It says it very clearly in the article that half of the cases are untreatable with medication so that means something inside the body is stopping that, and that will be genetic.
So instead of bitching about shit society is why not let scientists use this to help people and you can grow a thicker skin about how unfair the world is, okay pumpkin.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29863121]
So instead of bitching about shit society is why not let scientists use this to help people and you can grow a thicker skin about how unfair the world is, okay pumpkin.[/QUOTE]
Don't be a fucking dickhead, obviously genetic predisposition doesn't equate to genetic determinism, and human behavior and experience is patently a result of a dynamic interaction between environment and internal biology.
Both approaches are necessary, and neither is less valid than the other.
[editline]16th May 2011[/editline]
[quote]alf of the cases are untreatable with medication so that means something inside the body is stopping that, and that will be genetic.[/quote]
Two huge leaps of logic here. C'mon man.
If it happens in the body it has a genetic base, or it is cause by a foreign contaminant, which again will likely have a genetic base, so there's no leap there.
And I'll be a dick head when it's called for, like there when he's disregarding the fact that there is a genetic root for depression in a lot of people, so instead of treating the disease with genetic alteration or targeted medication he's gonna treat the symptom for depression instead of the cause and blame society for people being sad.
People get fucking sad it's an invariable part of life and it's got dick all to do with society so we treat the root instead of fucking whinging about how society is hurting people.
How does it have dick all to do with society? I agree that there is a biological cause for depression, but at the same time, the human mind can have a substantial effect on internal biological, and the human mind is obviously affected by the environment.
Yes but society itself, I doubt is effecting depression, sure in a fraction of cases it plays a part and yeah I agree society needs a good hard slap on a lot of things but for the vast majority of those suffering depression I doubt society plays a direct role.
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