Do you support Donald Trump or his policies? Are Trump supporters human? Answers here - General

So I was asking myself yesterday why everyone just shits on Tudd. The best argument I've heard against him is that he uses biased sources when debating, but a lot of the time I see people just hate on him no matter what and I wonder if it's simply due to different political views. Then it occurred to me that Tudd is the only real vocal Trump supporter I know of. Whenever I'm browsing through Polodicks or really anywhere else on this forum, I rarely see people go against the tide of "Trump is a shit". I've always preferred to try and see other viewpoints when in a discussion/debate, but with a lack of Trump supporters here I wonder if it's because the opposing point is simply so 'wrong' that no one here supports it, or if they don't talk about it because they'll just get into the text equivalent of a screaming battle with the majority of the forum. With this in mind, I ask if anyone here actually supports Trump, or any of his specific policies? (A common one I've seen is that despite hating Trump, a lot of people supported the Muslim Ban. As well as support for pulling out of the Paris Agreement) If you support Trump or any of his policies, could you explain why? Sorry if this is in the wrong section.

I have never heard Trump say anything that gave me the "You know what, he's right" impression, while at the same time I have instead heard all the batshit insane things he's said, his twitter and the things he does as a president. I don't really think there's anyway to support him while at the same time being intellectually honest and indiscriminately critical. I see why people seem to support him, I get where they're coming from, but yeah people aren't perfect.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52400228]I have never heard Trump say anything that gave me the "You know what, he's right" impression, while at the same time I have instead heard all the batshit insane things he's said, his twitter and the things he does as a president. I don't really think there's anyway to support him while at the same time being intellectually honest and indiscriminately critical. I see why people seem to support him, I get where they're coming from, but yeah people aren't perfect.[/QUOTE] The problem with this is that you're potentially biased against Trump from the get go. I know a ComSci Professor who has a MBA and is currently going to Law School and while she has no specific side, she does seem to agree with Trump more often than not. I and most people would consider her intellectually honest and indiscriminately critical. I feel that in something like this, for example with the Muslim Ban, there's different sides and no truly 'correct' answer to the problem, at least not one that can be reached easily. So of course when a person feels their solution is right, then they'll see the other solutions as 'wrong', because they have different priorities and views on how a country should be ran. This is why I'm interested primarily in seeing it from a Trump Supporter's view because they believe they're right, they have their reasoning, and they don't inherently lack the ability to think critically and honestly.

Muslim ban is blatant religious discrimination that tried to ban travel from some countries that posed no terrorist threat to the US and ignored countries which had a much more substantial terrorism threat. I don't see any intellectually honest way to support Trump's policy on the matter.

[QUOTE=Joshua-029;52400216]Then it occurred to me that Tudd is the only real vocal Trump supporter I know of. Whenever I'm browsing through Polodicks or really anywhere else on this forum, I rarely see people go against the tide of "Trump is a shit". I've always preferred to try and see other viewpoints when in a discussion/debate, but with a lack of Trump supporters here I wonder if it's because the opposing point is simply so 'wrong' that no one here supports it, or if they don't talk about it because they'll just get into the text equivalent of a screaming battle with the majority of the forum.[/QUOTE] In those instances it's as much Tudd being Tudd (and thus inciting outrage because of his incapability of arguing in an honest fashion) as it is that basically everyone here just thinks Trump's flat out wrong on just about every single thing. There's times where people just shit on Trump for no real reason such as that Covfefe garbage but if you pay attention and don't limit yourself to viewing peoples' posts in the context of only the one thread that you're reading them in you'll find that most people who are shitting on Trump aren't actually just doing so blindly. They've previously posted the [I]why[/I] and just can't be bothered reiterating that every time it's relevant because it won't accomplish anything useful other than inciting people like Tudd or sgman to come rushing to Trump's defense. And you outright cannot argue with these people because they're not open to the idea that they/Trump could possibly be wrong.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52400270]For example: Trump wrote in the Comey memo "I hope you can let this go" (about the Flynn investigation) The New York Times headlined: "Comey memo says Trump asked him to end Flynn investigation" Trump supporters will see a man who hopes his friend won't be investigated Trump opposers will see a man who tries to interfere with a federal investigation by asking it to be shut down.[/QUOTE] The issue here is tone and context. The specific wording Trump uses suggests he wants Comey to decide not to proceed with the investigation. For someone who has a habit of being very ambiguous it's actually quite clear what he means.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52400286]That's what I said though? Tone and context are open to interpretation and thus bias. Even your explanation is: "He doesn't [B]want[/B] him to continue the investigation but he didn't [B]tell[/B] him to stop so it's fine" - any Trump supporter[/QUOTE] You're misunderstanding what I was saying. He's saying "I want you to not investigate him" without coming right out and saying it because he knew that'd be an issue.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52400270]It's no secret that Facepunch is more left-leaning in general, and even greatly fits the demographic (white, college-educated, 18-35 years old) so it's not really a surprise there's not an even balance of left/right forum members. I'm a generally right-leaning guy. The Trump-o-nomics era and the volatility that brings has made me lot of money on the stock market. I don't agree with everything the man does and there are legitimate criticisms to give, but I also think the media is adding fuel to the "blind hatred" fire by the truckloads. It's super interesting to read the comments on the Trump stories because it's just a bigass pool of cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias on both sides. For example: Trump wrote in the Comey memo "I hope you can let this go" (about the Flynn investigation) The New York Times headlined: "Comey memo says Trump asked him to end Flynn investigation" Trump supporters will see a man who hopes his friend won't be investigated Trump opposers will see a man who tries to interfere with a federal investigation by asking it to be shut down. Next time a story like that runs, check out the Facepunch thread on it and then check the The_Donald or /pol/ thread on it, you'll see the difference for yourself. And Trump just had by far the best meme game in the election and I loved seeing Facepunch in general get super mad. I reread the Election Night megathread sometimes, always a good read.[/QUOTE] I don't have nearly enough knowledge to make an informed opinion about this, but I'm hoping this thread would shed some light on why people support Trump. What would you say is your reasoning for supporting him over other candidates? Was there any other Republican you would've preferred? You said you have legit criticisms as well, could you elaborate?

I hate hillary clinton and obama. They are both war mongering whores and dont give a fuck about the average american just like most politicians. Most of congress should be locked up and kicked out of office. Lobbying should be banned. All those republicans that win elections by making sure poorer black districts should also be lynched. The entire system is against us. Thats my personal opinion. But you have to be mentally retarded to support trump. I mean atleast obama and hillary pretend to care. But this guy Trump gives no shits. I mean this guy is so blantly 1% i dont know how anybody but billionaires and the elites that would support him. I mean how inbred to you have to be to vote for this guy who still talks like he is in his WWE character. I mean your parents must've been their own parents to produce such an drooling sheep. This guy openly bullshits and then contradict himself in such an alarming way I'm starting to think he does it on purpose now.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;52400357]I'm not American, but I knew Donald Trump, and he was the only one the media would ever talk about so I didn't even know the viewpoints of the other (Republican) candidates. Didn't need to because again, not American, and I wasn't going to be politically active online for any candidate anyway. My biggest criticisms of Trump are that he has no problem being [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump/]hypocritical[/url], and the fanbase that tries to rationalize all that away with blind loyalty.[/QUOTE] Ah okay, I see. Should've noticed by the flagdog. Despite being non-american, would you say you support him though, or do you just enjoy his antics? [QUOTE=Sky King;52400348]I hate hillary clinton and obama. They are both war mongering whores and dont give a fuck about the average american just like most politicians. Most of congress should be locked up and kicked out of office. Lobbying should be banned. All those republicans that win elections by making sure poorer black districts should also be lynched. The entire system is against us. Thats my personal opinion. But you have to be mentally retarded to support trump. I mean atleast obama and hillary pretend to care. But this guy Trump gives no shits. I mean this guy is so blantly 1% i dont know how anybody but billionaires and the elites that would support him. I mean how inbred to you have to be to vote for this guy who still talks like he is in his WWE character. I mean your parents must've been their own parents to produce such an drooling sheep. This guy openly bullshits and then contradict himself in such an alarming way I'm starting to think he does it on purpose now.[/QUOTE] Harsh. Don't you think that's a little overboard? People are people and they believe they're doing the right thing or that Trump is the best option. It's not that they're stupid, they just have different beliefs and viewpoints and prioritize different things.

I don't like any politician or would support any, but I believe Trump is not only wrong but also a threat to our safety.

I understand that a majority of this forum dislikes Trump, and these posts reflect that, but if I wanted to see how much people dislike Trump I could easily look anywhere else on Facepunch. Are there really no other Trump supporters willing to speak out and explain why to someone that's interested in hearing their take on things? [B]EDIT: [/B] I don't mean to try and push out opposing views, but I mainly made this thread to try and find people that support him. It's already clearly obvious to me why some people hate/dislike him and don't support him and if I need more evidence I can easily just peek around this forum, but it's not often I get to see why someone supports him. I'd rather it from Facepunch than /pol/ or /r/theDonald because Facepunch tends to be a lot less 'biased' due to having more free flowing discussion.

[QUOTE=Joshua-029;52400371]Ah okay, I see. Should've noticed by the flagdog. Despite being non-american, would you say you support him though, or do you just enjoy his antics? Harsh. Don't you think that's a little overboard? People are people and they believe they're doing the right thing or that Trump is the best option. It's not that they're stupid, they just have different beliefs and viewpoints and prioritize different things.[/QUOTE] I used to think that way during the election, then a few months after his presidency. But at this point. Nah i think they are pretty much.

One of the reasons that I don't support Donald Trump is that he's far too authoritarian for my tastes. He always struck me as someone who would deprive people of rights one way or another, which is something I also felt for Hillary Clinton. Something else to consider when choosing a candidate is the platform of their party, and I disagree with the GOP's stance on net neutrality and gay marriage. In fact, the only thing I like on the GOP platform is their stance on gun control, but even then I can see Trump flipping on gun control. I don't really have a real reason as to why I feel that way, it's just sort of a gut feeling. [editline]25th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Joshua-029;52400382]I don't mean to try and push out opposing views, but I mainly made this thread to try and find people that support him. It's already clearly obvious to me why some people hate/dislike him and don't support him and if I need more evidence I can easily just peek around this forum, but it's not often I get to see why someone supports him. I'd rather it from Facepunch than /pol/ or /r/theDonald because Facepunch tends to be a lot less 'biased' due to having more free flowing discussion.[/QUOTE] I seem to recall some of his supporters being perma'd by request or through other means.

I used to chat on a Republican chat room when Mitt Romney was running for President and since then from what I've seen from it there's a large group of people that dislike Trump, but being from the Republican family feel they have to support and defend him anyway to protect their political family. It's something I've noticed from both sides that gets more extreme as the divide widens.

I lost my trump.

[QUOTE]Then it occurred to me that Tudd is the only real vocal Trump supporter I know of. Whenever I'm browsing through Polodicks or really anywhere else on this forum, I rarely see people go against the tide of "Trump is a shit". I've always preferred to try and see other viewpoints when in a discussion/debate, but with a lack of Trump supporters here I wonder if it's because the opposing point is simply so 'wrong' that no one here supports it, or if they don't talk about it because they'll just get into the text equivalent of a screaming battle with the majority of the forum.[/QUOTE] its a very good point you bring up. If you see only one viewpoint brought up in an environment, its fair to suspect that said environment could be biased. and while FP as a whole is biased a bit to the left (mainly because the policies the GOP is pushing will be very bad for many of our members, most of which are young, a surprising amount of which are gay/trans/bi/ etc), Its still a very open place for discussion and not everyone holds liberal views on absolutely everything. anyways Trump did not win because he held a convincing, concrete campaign. He constantly contradicted himself, insulted everyone, and so forth. The only reason he won is because Hillary had a really bad campaign (and stuff with the DNC, but thats another story). A large chunk of people didnt vote for him, they voted against hillary. And those people are fleeing his support base rather fast, But what about the people who continue to support him even today, after so many blunders? Well, there are 1. The people who voted GOP their whole lives and know nothing else. They know very little about the political situation except for like 5 minutes of news tv they see in the morning. They are "ignorant" but not "bad" people. there are also people like this for the democrats. 2. Outright racists and so on. They were definitely there, although not as big as a majority as you would think. 3. People who read really biased news sites, think they are informed (but arent). With the first group, I recall a few people here who sort of supported trump (give him a chance), but as time went on and it disasters kept coming, they switched sides. The second group of outright racists and so on just dont last long here on facepunch, and they are a small minority of trump supporters anyways. The third group is interesting. With all this verifiable evidence, how can people spend so much time discussing about trump and not see anything wrong? Echo chambers. There is a reason why the "trump strongholds" are /pol/ and the_donald. /pol/ is an anonymous mess that previously spent its time (ironically?) praising nazis, and the_donald [I]literally[/I] bans opposing opinions. im not joking, check their rules. Thats why other more open places of discussion dont support trump nearly as much. I recall in years past with politics, I could have said that some debates dont have right or wrong answers. Things like gun control, for example. Unfortunately today, with trump even questioning climate change, he is questioning the basic fundamentals of reality. There is no "debate" for a lot of his ideas, they are just wrong. and about tudd, there was nothing special about him till some mods gave him mod powers as a joke for april fools day. tudd is a meme, not much more. Tudd is currently banned for a few more days, so im sure he will post an essay for you when he gets back. And since you seem keen on questioning things (which is good), i suggest you to watch the posting styles of the "trump supporters" on this forum, like tudd for example. There is a reason that tudd spends all his time making "immigrant does bad thing" threads rather than even post once in any thread about trumps connections to russia or any actual news event. Tudd knows enough that he will lose any argument there, so he sticks to his little "safe spaces" where he can be a little right.

Yes I support Trump Whole Heartly, He Is The Best Russian-Americana President

No poll? Shame.

He's bad economics in a nutshell and doesn't have really any big redeeming points for me so that's why I'm against him.

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[QUOTE=da space core;52400499]its a very good point you bring up. If you see only one viewpoint brought up in an environment, its fair to suspect that said environment could be biased. and while FP as a whole is biased a bit to the left (mainly because the policies the GOP is pushing will be very bad for many of our members, most of which are young, a surprising amount of which are gay/trans/bi/ etc), Its still a very open place for discussion and not everyone holds liberal views on absolutely everything. [/QUOTE] I realize that, which is why I wanted to ask here instead of go looking elsewhere. I feel like this would be the best place to ask due to it's more open nature. [QUOTE=da space core;52400499] Trump did not win because he held a convincing, concrete campaign. He constantly contradicted himself, insulted everyone, and so forth. The only reason he won is because Hillary had a really bad campaign (and stuff with the DNC, but thats another story). A large chunk of people didnt vote for him, they voted against hillary. And those people are fleeing his support base rather fast, But what about the people who continue to support him even today, after so many blunders? Well, there are 1. The people who voted GOP their whole lives and know nothing else. They know very little about the political situation except for like 5 minutes of news tv they see in the morning. They are "ignorant" but not "bad" people. there are also people like this for the democrats. 2. Outright racists and so on. They were definitely there, although not as big as a majority as you would think. 3. People who read really biased news sites, think they are informed (but arent). With the first group, I recall a few people here who sort of supported trump (give him a chance), but as time went on and it disasters kept coming, they switched sides. The second group of outright racists and so on just dont last long here on facepunch, and they are a small minority of trump supporters anyways. The third group is interesting. With all this verifiable evidence, how can people spend so much time discussing about trump and not see anything wrong? Echo chambers. There is a reason why the "trump strongholds" are /pol/ and the_donald. /pol/ is an anonymous mess that previously spent its time (ironically?) praising nazis, and the_donald [I]literally[/I] bans opposing opinions. im not joking, check their rules. Thats why other more open places of discussion dont support trump nearly as much. [/QUOTE] Thank you for your insightful response, it's very helpful to me. However I'd also love to see what a Trump supporter gives as their reasons, because your reasons are still as an opposing view's observation. This doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong and I'm not dismissing it, but I'm very hopeful that someone would come in and explain why they support Trump, instead of someone explaining why others support Trump. [QUOTE=da space core;52400499] I recall in years past with politics, I could have said that some debates dont have right or wrong answers. Things like gun control, for example. Unfortunately today, with trump even questioning climate change, he is questioning the basic fundamentals of reality. There is no "debate" for a lot of his ideas, they are just wrong. [/QUOTE] Of course, while Donald Trump's reasoning may be flawed, others may support him for other reasons that are potentially more grounded in reality. I'm very interested in hearing these reasons should there be any. [QUOTE=da space core;52400499] and about tudd, there was nothing special about him till some mods gave him mod powers as a joke for april fools day. tudd is a meme, not much more. Tudd is currently banned for a few more days, so im sure he will post an essay for you when he gets back. And since you seem keen on questioning things (which is good), i suggest you to watch the posting styles of the "trump supporters" on this forum, like tudd for example. There is a reason that tudd spends all his time making "immigrant does bad thing" threads rather than even post once in any thread about trumps connections to russia or any actual news event. Tudd knows enough that he will lose any argument there, so he sticks to his little "safe spaces" where he can be a little right.[/QUOTE] I hope so, that'd be really interesting to talk to him for a bit, I remember him mentioning how his views are more moderate than he ends up seeming. I'd love to talk to him more about it. I'll also keep an eye out for the posting styles, like you said. Thanks! [QUOTE=01271;52400542]No poll? Shame.[/QUOTE] I didn't want a poll because then people wouldn't be as keen on discussion. If you support Trump all you have to do is click a button instead of engage in discussion and explain yourself. Also for obvious reasons, the majority of the votes would be "no likey trump!" which is irrelevant, since I'm not asking "Why do you not support Trump?" I'm asking "What reasons does a person give to support Trump?"

I'm impartial, on one hand he's a blithering idiot but on the other hand he's also brought out the worst of the other end of the political spectrum and that was just a time bomb waiting to happen. Because of that I pick the third option, bury my head in the ground and ignore him while I focus more on the shit storm happening within the UK.

[QUOTE=da space core;52400499]tudd is a meme, not much more.[/QUOTE] That's kinda part of the problem with Tudd though. So was Trump and look where it got him.

Despite not being American, I'm going to throw in my 2 cents. I simply could never really stand behind a person that acts like Donald Trump. Temper tantrums, insults, lies and the list goes on. That's not what a leader of the most powerful country on Earth should act like. I could MAYBE agree with his policies if they were decent and there would be no better options. But that's also not the case. He's a garbage person, garbage politician and garbage president.

You may have better luck PMing trump supporters directly and asking if no one posts, though im sure tudd will have a long speech ready for this thread as soon as his ban expires

I find it insane to think that people would actually think that Trump is "Making America Great Again" even though it's been shown since his first week in office that he's been trying to regress it more and more. Apparently trying to turn America into a regressive trashball by regulating the internet, trying to make a travel ban, dropping out of the Paris Accord and ect. is totally going to make this country far greater than it was with Obama. I think that Trump is nothing more than a person who has absolutely no idea what he's doing and is going to be a stain on the name of American Presidents even after he's impeached/finished his first term.

[QUOTE=Reagy;52400584]I'm impartial, on one hand he's a blithering idiot but on the other hand he's also brought out the worst of the other end of the political spectrum and that was just a time bomb waiting to happen. Because of that I pick the third option, bury my head in the ground and ignore him while I focus more on the shit storm happening within the UK.[/QUOTE] #ReagyForBan

Honestly I used to like Trump for some reason before he got elected, now he's gone back on effectively every promise he made and I seriously regret liking him

[QUOTE=Reagy;52400584]I'm impartial, on one hand he's a blithering idiot but on the other hand he's also brought out the worst of the other end of the political spectrum and that was just a time bomb waiting to happen. Because of that I pick the third option, bury my head in the ground and ignore him while I focus more on the shit storm happening within the UK.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure he's brought out the worst of both ends.