Dr. Les Watling is a renowned and highly cited expert on deep-sea crustacean and coral ecology calling for the end of the destructive process known as deep-sea trawling.
[quote]Trawling the bottom of the ocean, dragging heavy metal equipment along the seabed at high speed, is the most destructive form of deep-sea fishing in the world. The fishing industry loves it because it is very effective. But it is indiscriminate and leaves behind a trail of devastation.
This month, the European Union (EU) is scheduled to vote on a proposed ban on deep-sea bottom trawling. If passed, the ban would be the first of its kind, although it would build on existing prohibitions on trawling in shallower water. It could give the seas some breathing space and fish stocks a chance to recover.[/quote]
[quote][B]Lobbying groups have threatened legal action against scientists for publishing data deemed to be critical of the industry.[/B][/quote]
[url]http://www.nature.com/news/deep-sea-trawling-must-be-banned-1.13656#/a1[/url]
He rebukes some industry claims in the article. I recommend reading it.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbSQhy0axH0[/media]
We should learn how to farm [I]more[/I] of our fish.
I thought this has been known for a very long time to be a very bad thing?
I think fishing should just be flat out abolished en masse, except for shit that litterally can't be farmed, and the amount taken has been proven not to be in excess of what would affect the population. It's so terrible for the environment it's not even funny.
Hell, if we just employed those guys to work fish farms, we'd have more jobs available, something that innovation doesn't usually make happen.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;42102943]I thought this has been known for a very long time to be a very bad thing?[/QUOTE]
It's banned in a few places already: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_trawling#Current_restrictions[/url]
How can you sue people for showing facts? These industries are bringing many types of fish to extinction with peoples demands for it and they simply don't care. I'm going to be sad the day a piece of cod is going to be as dear as wild salmon, but that's what these industries are resorting things too, when people genocide species for their fat gluttonous gob and cheap fish fingers.
[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42103004]I think fishing should just be flat out abolished en masse, except for shit that litterally can't be farmed, and the amount taken has been proven not to be in excess of what would affect the population. It's so terrible for the environment it's not even funny.
Hell, if we just employed those guys to work fish farms, we'd have more jobs available, something that innovation doesn't usually make happen.[/QUOTE]
Sustainable global fisheries is the holy grail of marine conservation. Governments, corporations, and scientists are trying to work together to get there.
We should ban it, yeah. But we should also keep the equipment. Repurposed, the equipment used for deep-sea trawling can also be used for deep-sea seabed mapping and the like.
[QUOTE=TestECull;42103422]We should ban it, yeah. But we should also keep the equipment. Repurposed, the equipment used for deep-sea trawling can also be used for deep-sea seabed mapping and the like.[/QUOTE]
Use the stuff to resupply undersea hab facilities.
Come on EU, listen to the Scientists, not the Businessmen.
I'm sorry what.
"Lobbying groups have threatened legal action against scientists for publishing data deemed to be critical of the industry."
"im gonna sue you because i dont like your scientific facts"
[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42107827]Maybe we should just ban roads too.[/QUOTE]
I really hope all your posts won't be this awful.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42106865]Come on EU, listen to the Scientists, not the Businessmen.[/QUOTE]
Scientists aren't listened to because they don't have massive amounts of money to throw at governments.
[QUOTE=tr00per7;42107790]Deep sea trolling, im sure I wasn't the first.[/QUOTE]
Guess where the term came from
[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42107827]Maybe we should just ban roads too.[/QUOTE]
:suicide:
[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42107827]Maybe we should just ban roads too.[/QUOTE]
H-how? W-why? How are those two things even remotely comparable?
[QUOTE=OvB;42103042]Sustainable global fisheries is the holy grail of marine conservation. Governments, corporations, and scientists are trying to work together to get there.[/QUOTE]
Well, actually, more accurately it's the holy grail of Fisheries Science. Marine Conservation is more peripherally involved in Fisheries Science.
At least, that's how it tends to work here in the UK and I believe wider EU - maybe across in the US Marine Conservation encapsulates Fisheries Science too, not sure.
[QUOTE=Reds;42107984]Scientists aren't listened to because they don't have massive amounts of money to throw at governments.[/QUOTE]
Why do you think most major corporations have huge bank accounts just sitting around gathering dust. Leverage.
[QUOTE=Whiterfire;42103004]I think fishing should just be flat out abolished en masse, except for shit that litterally can't be farmed, and the amount taken has been proven not to be in excess of what would affect the population. It's so terrible for the environment it's not even funny.
Hell, if we just employed those guys to work fish farms, we'd have more jobs available, something that innovation doesn't usually make happen.[/QUOTE]
Easier said than done
I'd argue most island countries in the asian-pacific and oceanic areas of the world completely rely on fishing for their economies, to the point where they'd be worse off than africa if they somehow couldn't do it. People who live on the coast of asia also heavily rely on it, the point where there is a very likely chance of small wars breaking out as fish populations decline in these areas. With no fishing, these countries lose the only thing they have to survive on both food wise and economic wise (the very thing they've been doing for centuries).
And its not like we could just "ban fishing, except there" because most of the world's "supermarket" fish come from that area of the world. I.E. if you bought shrimp or catfish at a supermarket, there's an extremely high chance it came from thailand.
There's also the issue that while ecological "farming" of fish is possible, its extremely expensive to do (not possible for where most of the worlds fish come from). Cheap farming is possible and is already done (most generic thailand shrimp comes from farms), but farming for fish "the cheap way" (the only way possible for countries living in the asain-pacific area of the world, where most of the fish we eat comes from) is extremely ecologically destructive as well, but in a different way.
So you can't just say "no more fishing! farms only! and make sure the farms are ecologically friendly :)" because the worlds fish supply by and large comes from areas of the world where fishing is required for them to survive economically and food-wise, and the farms are just as destructive as fishing is. Mkaing it so you have giant fish farms put up in maine that hire thousands of people would be "nice" but not really something that'll ever happen, since if we honestly relied on fish coming from such farms world-wide then we'd see price the fish globally be so high it might as well no longer be apart of the human diet. Not to mention, said countries in the asian-pacific region would go broke, likely break out into wars, etc etc. Not that it will ever happen though since there will always be cheap fish to be had as long as these asian-pacific countries continue to supply the bulk of the fish the world eats.
[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42107827]Maybe we should just ban roads too.[/QUOTE]
hhahahahahahah no if you're serious you need to actually research the topic before you type the next terrible post so then it will at least make a little bit of sense
trawling litterally annihilates HUGE tracts of ocean seafloor. It is nothing like roads. It's more like clearcutting rainforrests with a god damn 500 foot tall bulldozer just to catch a couple birds.
I hate how people don't think about the future of their own industries. They shoot themselves in the face for short term gain.
[QUOTE=UltraSamurai;42107827]Maybe we should just ban roads too.[/QUOTE]
I hope one of these drives over your house.
[img]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/jonnytuna/trencher2_smd.jpg[/img]
Imagine that, except indiscriminately and slowly moving across massive tracts of forests, somehow scooping up everything in it's path; be it trees or animals, and just chucking whatever they don't want off the side.
Now imagine hundreds of these all across the world.
Because thats basically what is happening to the ocean floor, except magnified hundredfold because it's massive.
It would be like hunters using a bulldozer to hunt deer through a forest. Except they only keep the deers, and throw everything else, and everyone is doing it.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/FUzoPb0.jpg[/img]
Why can't we clone the fish?
[QUOTE=KorJax;42109597]Easier said than done[/QUOTE]
So basically our options are fish them into extinction, or let huge parts of the world turn into worse-than-Africa shitholes (while will happen anyone once they are fished into extinction)?
People say there's plenty of room left on the planet for more humans, but this kind of thing makes me think we're already pushing the lines.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;42109259]Well, actually, more accurately it's the holy grail of Fisheries Science. Marine Conservation is more peripherally involved in Fisheries Science.
At least, that's how it tends to work here in the UK and I believe wider EU - maybe across in the US Marine Conservation encapsulates Fisheries Science too, not sure.[/QUOTE]
It should be fishermen listen to fisheries scientists, which listen to species conservation scientists.
Ban Trawling, if it raises fish prices who cares we have cows for meat and farm them effectively.
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