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[QUOTE]The polling cacophony may be quieting down, as the discordant polls of earlier this week have moved into greater harmony.
But while polls may no longer be disagreeing on the overall picture of the race, the gap between the Liberals and Conservatives is tight enough that it is impossible to say right now which party has the better chance of winning on Oct. 19.
The Liberals narrowly hold the edge in the CBC Poll Tracker, with 32.9 per cent support against 32.4 per cent for the Conservatives. The New Democrats stand at 24.3 per cent, with the Greens at 4.8 per cent support and the Bloc Québécois at 19.3 per cent in Quebec.
This back-and-forth in the overall lead between the Liberals and Conservatives has been a feature of the campaign for the last two weeks, as both parties inch upward while the NDP slips in the polls.
What has changed recently, however, is that the close race used to be the result of averaging disparate polls. Now, it appears that most polls have moved into broad agreement.
A Forum poll at the end of September gave the Conservatives a seven-point edge over the Liberals, but in its latest poll published Thursday the Liberals are up by four. Abacus Data gave the Conservatives a three-point lead a little less than two weeks ago, but now puts that gap at one point. EKOS Research was showing a seven-point advantage for the Tories, but now has the margin at just two points. Nanos Research, which had the Liberals up by almost five points, now has them ahead by just two.
Though these findings may look different in that they give the lead to one party or another, the differing results are all within the polls' respective margins of error.
In fact, in these recent polls, which range across different methodologies, the Liberals and Conservatives have both scored between 31 and 35 per cent support. That is a strong indication of a tie existing between the two parties, with the New Democrats now definitively in third place with between 21 and 26 per cent.[/QUOTE]
Go hard. Although my heart is with NDP I will be voting Liberal. Although I feel that we are going to be inevitably losing more parties and becoming a two party nation.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;48866512]Go hard. Although my heart is with NDP I will be voting Liberal. Although I feel that we are going to be inevitably losing more parties and becoming a two party nation.[/QUOTE]
Choosing a catch-all party over a party with real conviction is gross
It seems like it's going to be an even election. Also I love how all three parties have maple leaves in their logos.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48866542]Choosing a catch-all party over a party with real conviction is gross[/QUOTE]
Honestly, NDP isn't going to win, and even if they did, they have a multitude of mediocre ideas as their forefront of actions once elected so I'm not such a supporter of them anymore.
The liberals suck on C-51, they suck on TPP, they suck on a bunch of things, but they're the only defiecit spending group that's running right now.
Conservatives will just double down and triple down on their already ridiculous level of policies.
We're fucked.
I'm voting liberal just so we don't split the vote and cause the conservatives to win as both the liberals and NDP have made it abundantly clear there will NEVER be a coalition between their two parties as they stand now.
As I see it, and as I understand it, we have several serious events to think about around this election.
Should the liberals or NDP win a minority government, we'll have the conservatives hamstringing them. Should the Conservatives win a minority government, an election will be called in march by the liberals and NDP. The result of that would most likely be a conservative majority as everyone in the nation would forget everything, and just go "oh what a bunch of babies".
All the while, all the fucking while, Harper skates free and clear over literally abusing the system of democracy through robo calling and scandals like Mike Duffy.
I believe that if Layton was still the leader of the NDP, people would have ditched the liberals again in this election.
I know NDP isn't going to win, I want them to win. But unfortunately my vote wouldn't mean very much if i voted for them. The goal for this election is to for the love of god not let conservatives and Harper back into office.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;48866700]I know NDP isn't going to win, I want them to win. But unfortunately my vote wouldn't mean very much if i voted for them. The goal for this election is to for the love of god not let conservatives and Harper back into office.[/QUOTE]
In my case, I have to vote NDP in order to make my vote worth while. In BC we are still riding the orange wave, so any seat that the NDP win's means one less seat for the Tories to win.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48866588]The liberals suck on C-51, they suck on TPP, they suck on a bunch of things [/QUOTE]
Civil liberties and the economy are the biggest issues. You hate the conservatives for these things but vote in a party that supports them? I don't get it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48866588]I'm voting liberal just so we don't split the vote.[/QUOTE]
I don't consider it vote splitting. The two parties are fundamentally different in pretty much every way.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;48866700]I know NDP isn't going to win, I want them to win. But unfortunately my vote wouldn't mean very much if i voted for them. The goal for this election is to for the love of god not let conservatives and Harper back into office.[/QUOTE]
My vote won't mean fuck all whether I vote NDP or Liberal because the Conservatives are going to win every seat in Alberta. All the dumb oil rednecks are pissed at the NDP even though Alberta was fucked well before the provincial NDP took over.
[editline]9th October 2015[/editline]
I'm still probably just going to spoil my ballot because I just fucking can't handle any of these parties.
According to which poll? Depending on the day you can get 3 polls saying Conservative and 1 Liberal, the next day an even split, and the day after 3 Liberal 1 Conservative.
This race is far too close to definitively say one or the other is ahead.
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Voting NDP today! Fuck Harper.
I feel NDP people should just vote liberal to make sure harper loses all his power. We don't want a three way government.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48867231]Civil liberties and the economy are the biggest issues. You hate the conservatives for these things but vote in a party that supports them? I don't get it.
I don't consider it vote splitting. The two parties are fundamentally different in pretty much every way.[/QUOTE]
Okay so you vote NDP. NDP loses to the conservatives and the liberals. The liberals don't win. The conservatives do.
In what world was your decision strategic?
The very fact we have to be strategic with our votes is [B]obscene[/B] but it's reality.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48867632]Okay so you vote NDP. NDP loses to the conservatives and the liberals. The liberals don't win. The conservatives do.
In what world was your decision strategic?
The very fact we have to be strategic with our votes is [B]obscene[/B] but it's reality.[/QUOTE]
Take Vancouver-Kingsway for instance, if I voted liberal, my vote would be wasted as the liberals would not win the seat with current poll projections, and by a large margin too. In many ridings it is a two way race between an orange candidate or a blue candidate. Thus, it would strategically make sense to vote for NDP in my riding to deny the conservatives a potential seat.
As an outsider, can someone explain to me the difference between the Liberals and the NDP? Also beware that there may be a surge of shy tories if the Canadian Conservative party is anything like the British one.
[QUOTE=The mouse;48867698]As an outsider, can someone explain to me the difference between the Liberals and the NDP? Also beware that there may be a surge of shy tories if the Canadian Conservative party is anything like the British one.[/QUOTE]
Basically liberals want to spend more but within reason, ndp wants to spend alot, and is therefore more far left.
Conservatives will sell our children and lake water just to keep a balanced budget.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;48867715]Basically liberals want to spend more but within reason, ndp wants to spend alot, and is therefore more far left.
Conservatives will sell our children and lake water just to keep a balanced budget.[/QUOTE]
Also Niqab's.
[editline]9th October 2015[/editline]
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I'm still probably just going to spoil my ballot because I just fucking can't handle any of these parties.[/QUOTE]
Vote communist if all else fails.
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Conservatives will sell our children and lake water just to keep a balanced budget.[/QUOTE]
And fail at doing so since they refuse to actually tax big business.... or cut spending... while taxing everybody else.
[editline]9th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48867632]The liberals don't win. The conservatives do..[/QUOTE]
Not seeing the point if they'll just enact the same policy as the Conservative party when elected.
[QUOTE=The mouse;48867698]As an outsider, can someone explain to me the difference between the Liberals and the NDP? Also beware that there may be a surge of shy tories if the Canadian Conservative party is anything like the British one.[/QUOTE]
Imagine if something like the SNP were on a non-nationalist platform, that would be fairly close to what the NDP is in terms of their policies. Liberals would be like "new labor," more of a centrist, but left-leaning party, except Justin Trudeau basically has the charisma of a movie star, and Ed Milliband looks like a horse, so you can kind of factor in how that will influence the publicity results in comparison to the last british election.[sp]sandwich.[/sp]
Conservatives are pretty close to the british one. We have shy conservatives too, but I think we just call them old people.
Voting for Trudeau, personally. Going to be a close one.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48867918]And fail at doing so since they refuse to actually tax big business.... or cut spending... while taxing everybody else.
[editline]9th October 2015[/editline]
Not seeing the point if they'll just enact the same policy as the Conservative party when elected.[/QUOTE]
because the election is more than just C-51 as much as I wish things were single vote issues. Nothing in our current economic or political climate is a "single vote" issue kind of deal.
My vote at first was for the NDP, but a lot of their promises seemed pretty far fetched. I've always voted Liberal, so I still did.
It probably won't matter in Airdrie-Cochrane-Balzac, being it's Alberta. Our provincial election voted in Wildrose with PC being second, we'll probably have Conservative win here.
What happened to NDP???
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[QUOTE=patq911;48869230]What happened to NDP???[/QUOTE]
Poorly managed campaign that didn't convey ideas to the general population and not changing to common sense positions (weed, etc).
you forgot a source
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48866542]Choosing a catch-all party over a party with real conviction is gross[/QUOTE]
Is it? The reason why I vote liberal is because that in the end they're more primed to push Harper out, and what I had always wished for is something that is guaranteed to push Harper and his party into a minority than the vote being divided between Liberals and NDP that Harper gets a minority, or worse, majority government again.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48869237]Poorly managed campaign that didn't convey ideas to the general population and not changing to common sense positions (weed, etc).[/QUOTE]
yea that weed one really hurt them had they been for legalizing it they could have been winning still,.
[editline]10th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Xain777;48869487]you forgot a source[/QUOTE]
we can we get one and a second one,.
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;48870425]yea that weed one really hurt them had they been for legalizing it they could have been winning still,.[/QUOTE]
Even just decriminalizing it is still a step in the right direction.
I hate that both the NDP and Liberals are running for the same segment of the population, AND trying to appeal to a bunch of the same fringe groups, AND trying to get the baby boomer vote with their retirement age reduction thing.
Like I get not liking the Liberals, and not liking the NDP, but lets be honest, both parties suck, and the conservatives have been economic failures no matter how much they tout their victories. We're fucked Canada.
We need a better party.
[editline]9th October 2015[/editline]
And this ties in to something I heard on the radio today.
"Who would want to be a politician?"
They brought up all the examples of many MP's having been pushed out of this race this year by small little factoids about their history. Sometimes it was justified, but rarely. It's something like 50 candidates dropped out by social media coverage. In todays age, who would ever want to be a politician?
You're a public figure. You're actually responsible for the community you live in, and their representation in the larger picture. You're no where near as powerful as people like to believe, and you're tied to a party system that kills individual distinctions between the candidates to run on a party line. You can be brought down by irrelevant crap used as a political tool.
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