AP-GfK Poll: Resistance to health care bill strong - Polidicks

[quote= Associated Press] Opposition to President Barack Obama's health care law jumped after he signed it — a warning to Democrats running for re-election this fall that his victory could become their liability. A new Associated Press-GfK poll finds Americans oppose the health care remake 50 percent to 39 percent. Before a divided Congress finally passed the bill and Obama signed it at a jubilant White House ceremony last month, public opinion was about evenly split. Another 10 percent of Americans say they are neutral. Disapproval for Obama's handling of health care also increased from 46 percent before the bill passed to 52 percent currently — a level not seen since last summer's angry town hall meetings. Nonetheless, the bleak numbers may not represent a final judgment for the president and his Democratic allies in Congress. That's because only 28 percent of those polled said they understand the overhaul extremely or very well, and a big chunk of those remain neutral. Democrats hope to change public opinion by calling attention to benefits available this year for seniors, families with children transitioning to work and people shut out of coverage because of medical problems. "There are some things I like, because I think that there are some people who need health care," said Jim Fall, 73, a retired computer consultant from Wrightwood, Calif. But "I don't like the idea of the government dictating what health care should be like," added Fall. "Nor do I like them taking money out of Medicare. They are going to create more waste and they are going to take away benefits." Seniors — reliable voters in midterm congressional races — were far more likely to oppose the law. Forty-nine percent were strongly opposed, compared with 37 percent of those 64 and younger. Seniors' worries that Medicare cuts to insurers, hospitals and other providers will undermine their care are a formidable challenge for Democratic congressional candidates this fall. Analysts said such wariness on a major piece of social legislation is unusual. "The surprise of this poll is that you would expect people to be more supportive of the bill now that it's the law of the land — and that's not the case," said Robert Blendon, a Harvard public health professor who follows opinion trends on health care. "The election for the House is going to be competitive, and health care is clearly going to be an issue." The nearly $1 trillion, 10-year health care remake would provide coverage to nearly all Americans while also attempting to improve quality and slow the ruinous pace of rising medical costs. Nonpartisan congressional budget analysts say the law is fully paid for. Its mix of Medicare cuts and tax increases, falling mainly on upper-income earners, would actually reduce the federal deficit. And people covered by large employers may even see a dip in their premiums. The public doesn't seem to be buying it. Fifty-seven percent said they expect to pay more for their own health care, contrasted with 7 percent who expect to pay less. And 47 percent said they expect their own medical care to get worse, compared with 14 percent looking forward to an improvement. "Based on the little information we know, somebody's going to have to pay for it, so it makes sense that taxes would go up," said Lang Fu, 48, an oil and gas engineer from Houston. Politically, Americans are polarized. Democrats support the overhaul by 68 percent to 18 percent, while Republicans oppose it 85 percent to 9 percent. Whites oppose it by 57 percent to 32 percent, while minorities support it 61-27. Political independents are roughly even, with 44 percent opposed and 40 percent in favor — within the poll's margin of error. Some may be swayed by appeals from Obama and the law's supporters. Donna Christian of Kingsport, Tenn., is an independent leaning in favor of the law. A bad heart forced Christian, 45, to leave her job as a supervisor at a wireless phone company a few years ago. She and her 10-year-old daughter make do on a limited income, and have coverage through Medicaid. "I think Americans are going to be better off in the long run even if they don't see that now," Christian said. "More will have coverage, and they'll be able to go to the hospital when they need to." Ron Pollack, head of Families USA, a liberal advocacy group that supports the overhaul, said it will be "a real task" to turn public opinion around, but he's confident. "When you dig deeper, individual provisions of the law have enormous support," he said. Pollack believes current polls reflect public disgust with a "very lengthy and messy process." But Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., says Democrats already lost their chance to persuade the public. "They have had 16 months to explain this bill," Camp said. "Good luck trying to explain it in the next six." The AP-GfK Poll was conducted April 7-12, 2010, by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Media. It involved interviews with 1,001 adults nationwide on landline and cellular telephones. It had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.3 percentage points. ___ Associated Press Polling Director Trevor Tompson, AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius and AP writers Alan Fram and Ann Sanner contributed to this report. ___ On the Net: AP-GfK Poll: [url]http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com[/url].[/quote] Source: [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100415/ap_on_bi_ge/us_ap_poll_obama_health_care/print[/url] VGPU News comment: Time is running out on that explanation.

A whole lot of misinformation out there I suppose. Once government healthcare comes in, people will probably like it however. People are naturally opposed to change. I don't understand how every other western nation can have socialized medicine, and have it work great and have longer life expectancies than the USA, but Americans still oppose it.

Proof that lying about things loudly and repeatedly will eventually convince lots of stupid people it's true.

Why Glaber fancy meeting you here.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21397828] I don't understand how every other western nation can have socialized medicine, and have it work great and have longer life expectancies than the USA, but Americans still oppose it.[/QUOTE] Because those nations are socialist and the government tells those people how many children they can have and what to eat and what shoes to wear and they have to bow to a photo of their glorious leader every morning and you have to have abortions when the government tells you to and there is no religion allowed except for the aforementioned leader worship and there are death panels that decide when panels need to die or something and elderly people are rotting away in the streets and there is a lot of crime and amorality and god doesn't like those countries and there are lots of homosexual orgies in the streets and violent video games and everyone has aids because of all the gay sex which is actually mandatory

[url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89626309[/url] Japan has some strict moral & social etiquette, sure. But nothing like was the above poster said. Jeez. [B]Edited:[/B] Fuck reading this section of FP really screws with my sarcasm detector.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;21397913]Because those nations are socialist and the government tells those people how many children they can have and what to eat and what shoes to wear and they have to bow to a photo of their glorious leader every morning and you have to have abortions when the government tells you to and there is no religion allowed except for the aforementioned leader worship and there are death panels that decide when panels need to die or something and elderly people are rotting away in the streets and there is a lot of crime and amorality and god doesn't like those countries and there are lots of homosexual orgies in the streets and violent video games and everyone has aids because of all the gay sex which is actually mandatory[/QUOTE] He pretty much sums it up. God forbid homosexual abortionist murderers with the new health care reform.

[QUOTE=NecroBiologist;21397985][URL]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89626309[/URL] Japan has some strict moral & social etiquette, sure. But nothing like was the above poster said. Jeez. [/QUOTE] :bravo: Show zeke who's boss.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;21397889]Why Glaber fancy meeting you here.[/QUOTE] Do I know you from somewhere? In this section it's hard to tell.

[QUOTE=NecroBiologist;21397985][url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89626309[/url] Japan has some strict moral & social etiquette, sure. But nothing like was the above poster said. Jeez. [/QUOTE] Man I just got burned bad, might as well retire from posting

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21398012]:bravo: Show zeke who's boss.[/QUOTE] God damnit now look I can't even tell if you're serious or not. Got to go get fresh air before I hurt something.

[QUOTE=Glaber;21398034]Do I know you from somewhere? In this section it's hard to tell.[/QUOTE] No it's just I never expected to see you posting an anti obama thread.

The thing I don't like about these polls is that they don't say [I]why[/I] people didn't like the health care reform. In this way you might get the tea baggers who were crying socialism all day and the people who wanted a genuine single-payer system or some sort of government insurance plan in the same boat.

Polls don't have to say why, you're supposed to fill in the blanks or do your own research.

[QUOTE=MercZ;21398267]The thing I don't like about these polls is that they don't say [I]why[/I] people didn't like the health care reform. In this way you might get the tea baggers who were crying socialism all day and the people who wanted a genuine single-payer system or some sort of government insurance plan in the same boat.[/QUOTE] Back. Also, this.

Wait, hang on. Explain to me why so many in the United States are against government-subsidized health-care? Don't believe the tea party morons, it works VERY, very well in this country, and it's saved thousands of lives, and countless limbs. The waiting lines at the ER might be a problem at times, but if you've got an issue that demands immediate attention, they will take you in IMMEDIATELY. Doctors are still paid very, very well, and they are professional in their work. The only downside I can really see to this is slightly higher taxes. Actually, even those won't be necessary if only they cut the defense budget a little.

Fucking retards just end this shit already.

Not approving a bill like this seems to show how incredibly selfish you are. There are people dying, and their healthcare, or lack of, isn't saving them. Cancer victims, hemophiliacs, etc., for the most part, are all people who are hit by our current healthcare system. Why? Because their plans typically stop once they hit a spending cap, and at this day and age, cancer and hemophilia treatment is incredibly expensive. [QUOTE=Zeke129;21397913]Because those nations are socialist and the government tells those people how many children they can have and what to eat and what shoes to wear and they have to bow to a photo of their glorious leader every morning and you have to have abortions when the government tells you to and there is no religion allowed except for the aforementioned leader worship and there are death panels that decide when panels need to die or something and elderly people are rotting away in the streets and there is a lot of crime and amorality and god doesn't like those countries and there are lots of homosexual orgies in the streets and violent video games and everyone has aids because of all the gay sex which is actually mandatory[/QUOTE] Mandatory? In the streets? Violent videogames? Child restrictions? Government supported abortion? Where do I apply for citizenship of said country?

[QUOTE=archangel125;21398318]Wait, hang on. Explain to me why so many in the United States are against government-subsidized health-care? Don't believe the tea party morons, it works VERY, very well in this country, and it's saved thousands of lives, and countless limbs. The waiting lines at the ER might be a problem at times, but if you've got an issue that demands immediate attention, they will take you in IMMEDIATELY. Doctors are still paid very, very well, and they are professional in their work. The only downside I can really see to this is slightly higher taxes. Actually, even those won't be necessary if only they cut the defense budget a little.[/QUOTE]Hell it could even work better in the states.

Hemophilia? As in blood lust? A fetish or dependence upon the consumption of blood? Vampirism of sorts?

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21397828]A whole lot of misinformation out there I suppose. Once government healthcare comes in, people will probably like it however. People are naturally opposed to change. I don't understand how every other western nation can have socialized medicine, and have it work great and have longer life expectancies than the USA, but Americans still oppose it.[/QUOTE] We're still afraid of anything remotely socialist after the Cold War.

guys americans just want to defend their right to pay more for worse quality service don't you understand

[QUOTE=lulzbocks;21398514]We're still afraid of anything remotely socialist after the Cold War.[/QUOTE] For which you have Nixon to thank. Political ideologies shouldn't subvert common sense.

[QUOTE=archangel125;21398494]Hemophilia? As in blood lust? A fetish or dependence upon the consumption of blood? Vampirism of sorts?[/QUOTE] Haha, nooo. I meant haemophilia, the inability, or incredibly slow ability, of your blood to clot. Meaning that even the smallest cuts will continue to bleed non-stop. Treatment is expensive, and when I look at it from this perspective, I think it's sick that someone can profit off of someone elses survival. They shouldn't have to pay so much money for something they were born with, whether creating the medicine cost a lot or not.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;21398685] Treatment is expensive, and when I look at it from this perspective, I think it's sick that someone can profit off of someone elses survival. They shouldn't have to pay so much money for something they were born with, whether creating the medicine cost a lot or not.[/QUOTE] Alas, this is how capitalism works.

Man, we should just give eachother the drugs, and in return for it, we should give those guys the food. And in return for that, we should give those guys the power supply and food they need. And in return for that, we should give them some water, and we should just keep giving until we cant give anymore.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21398726]Alas, this is how capitalism works.[/QUOTE] Would you say that Capitalist ideals should be held more important than basic human rights? I don't know about the USA, but Canada's Charter of Rights states that every person has the right to [B]life[/B], liberty and security. Socialized health care isn't so bad. The government can still afford to pay its medical staff extremely well.

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;21398789]Man, we should just give eachother the drugs, and in return for it, we should give those guys the food. And in return for that, we should give those guys the power supply and food they need. And in return for that, we should give them some water, and we should just keep giving until we cant give anymore.[/QUOTE] he's a pinko commie liberal get him

[QUOTE=archangel125;21398792]Would you say that Capitalist ideals should be held more important than basic human rights? I don't know about the USA, but Canada's Charter of Rights states that every person has the right to [B]life[/B], liberty and security. Socialized health care isn't so bad. The government can still afford to pay its medical staff extremely well.[/QUOTE] I'm from Canada and I already know this. However, if you want to see capitalism at it's finest look at post-industrial England, pre-Marx/Engels.

[QUOTE=archangel125;21398792]Would you say that Capitalist ideals should be held more important than basic human rights? I don't know about the USA, but Canada's Charter of Rights states that every person has the right to [B]life[/B], liberty and security. Socialized health care isn't so bad. The government can still afford to pay its medical staff extremely well.[/QUOTE] I'm all for socialized health care, but I was getting pretty fucking pissed when I went into the ER with an actual emergency and waited for 3 hours while people who were using the place as a doctors office went ahead of me But then I listened to some music, and it was OK