Keystone Pipeline Won't Use US Steel Despite Trump Pledge During Joint Address - Polidicks

[quote] PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) -- The Keystone XL oil pipeline won't use American steel in its construction, despite what President Donald Trump says. White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Friday that's due to language in a presidential directive Trump issued in January. The directive applies to new pipelines or those under repair. Sanders said it would be hard to do an about-face on Keystone because it's already under construction and the steel has been acquired. Trump said as recently as last week that Keystone and the Dakota Access pipeline must use American steel "or we're not building one." [/quote] [url="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_KEYSTONE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT"]AP[/url] Another. Lie.

[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51909831][url="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_KEYSTONE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT"]AP[/url] Another. Lie.[/QUOTE] Did he literally use the words "Keystone" in the speech? That's pretty fair that they already procured the steel before the address. Does anyone have a link to that section of the speech for clarity?

[QUOTE=Smoot;51909863]Did he literally use the words "Keystone" in the speech? That's pretty fair that they already procured the steel before the address. Does anyone have a link to that section of the speech for clarity?[/QUOTE] [quote] "And you're going to be doing pipelines now, you know that, right?" Trump told United States Steel CEO Mario Longhi during a meeting of business leaders at the White House. "We put you heavy into the pipeline business because we approved, as you know, the Keystone pipeline and Dakota, but they have to buy, meaning steel, so I'll say U.S. steel, but steel made in this country and pipelines made in this country." [/quote] [url="http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/23/trump-keystone-dakota-access-pipeline-makers-must-buy-us-steel.html"]CNBC[/url]

[QUOTE=Smoot;51909863]Did he literally use the words "Keystone" in the speech? That's pretty fair that they already procured the steel before the address. Does anyone have a link to that section of the speech for clarity?[/QUOTE] From a transcript of the speech: [QUOTE]We have cleared the way for the construction of the Keystone and Dakota Access pipelines. (APPLAUSE) [B]Thereby creating tens of thousands of jobs, and I’ve issued a new directive that new American pipelines be made with American steel.[/B][/QUOTE] Actual Speech point (14:51): [video=youtube_share;bbeZ6xWoV4c]http://youtu.be/bbeZ6xWoV4c?t=889[/video] [U][B]Edit: [/B][/U]I've been reading up on this to see and figure out how he would weasel out of this, and came across this, from [URL="http://www.npr.org/2017/02/28/516717981/watch-live-trump-addresses-joint-session-of-congress"]NPR[/URL]: [QUOTE]It is true construction of the Keystone XL pipeline will employ thousands of people, but only for a short time. According to a previous State Department analysis, construction will create just over 21,000 jobs during the two years construction is underway. After that it will create only 35 permanent jobs as the pipeline goes into operation. [B]President Trump’s directive is a little more complicated than he says here. Trump directed Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross to develop a plan for ensuring that new pipelines are made from products manufactured in the United States. Trump gave the secretary six months to create that plan, so right now there is no requirement in place.[/B][/QUOTE]

you know the real annoying as shit thing about the keystone pipeline? its already been built and is operating at like half capacity. the XL pipeline is the thing we all are arguing over. the keystone one though, done and running... fucking find a republican that acknowledges the difference though

[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51909876][url="http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/23/trump-keystone-dakota-access-pipeline-makers-must-buy-us-steel.html"]CNBC[/url][/QUOTE] I accept your point, and digress.

All of the pipe has been acquired already and is literally sitting at storage sights ready to be put into action. I don't see what the problem is, when he first said that he would be using us steel I chuckled abit. Besides, you Americans have to pay for all of those refugees somehow..

[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51910032]Besides, you Americans have to pay for all of those refugees somehow..[/QUOTE] What does this have to do with anything?

[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51909831] Another. Lie.[/QUOTE] NPR had a segment about this the week or so after he made this speech. He wasn't lying, he was just too stupid to know how making piping works. Trump had made the assumption that over in China, they make the steel, roll it into pipes, and then ship it over here on ships (he explicitly stated this in an interview sometime after). The reality, as I learned on NPR, is that China forges the steel into large bars [I](the US currently has no forges that can either make the type of steel needed for the pipeline, nor the capacity to fill an order by such)[/I], and then those bars are shipped to the US. Once here on American soil, they're heated up and then rolled into whatever they're needed for, such as pipes. The companies that roll them into pipes are American, so technically it's American piping that is going into the pipeline. Just not the material to make those pipes. The process of making the pipes are still purely on American soil. In order for the metal to be "American made", first and foremost there has to be a market for it when it's just really fucking cheap to buy Chinese steel rather than make it here, both labor [I]and[/I] material-wise. The reason there is no American forge that can produce the specific steel needed or make enough for the project is because it's literally been cheaper to buy Chinese steel [I]for decades.[/I] Long enough that American forges for that particular steel closed years and years ago.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51911256]NPR had a segment about this the week or so after he made this speech. He wasn't lying, he was just too stupid to know how making piping works. Trump had made the assumption that over in China, they make the steel, roll it into pipes, and then ship it over here on ships (he explicitly stated this in an interview sometime after). The reality, as I learned on NPR, is that China forges the steel into large bars [I](the US currently has no forges that can either make the type of steel needed for the pipeline, nor the capacity to fill an order by such)[/I], and then those bars are shipped to the US. Once here on American soil, they're heated up and then rolled into whatever they're needed for, such as pipes. The companies that roll them into pipes are American, so technically it's American piping that is going into the pipeline. Just not the material to make those pipes. The process of making the pipes are still purely on American soil. In order for the metal to be "American made", first and foremost there has to be a market for it when it's just really fucking cheap to buy Chinese steel rather than make it here, both labor [I]and[/I] material-wise. The reason there is no American forge that can produce the specific steel needed or make enough for the project is because it's literally been cheaper to buy Chinese steel [I]for decades.[/I] Long enough that American forges for that particular steel closed years and years ago.[/QUOTE] I used to work in a secondary steel mill and basically, we would be buying the billets or slabs from China and forge them ourselves. My facility in particular had both a melt shop, which I worked in, and a rolling mill that could work separately for maintenance shutdown. The rolling mill could import steel from outside while the melt shop was shut down, and the steel billets from the melt shop could be shipped away directly while the rolling mill was shut down. This industry is fantastic at finding ways to churn product 24/7 and never slow down, it's quite impressive.

[QUOTE=CNBC;51909876]"We put you heavy into the pipeline business because we approved, as you know, the Keystone pipeline and Dakota, but they have to buy, meaning steel, so I'll say U.S. steel, but steel made in this country and pipelines made in this country."[/QUOTE] What in the [I]fuck?[/I] These are [I]barely words.[/I]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51911256]NPR had a segment about this the week or so after he made this speech. He wasn't lying, he was just too stupid to know how making piping works. Trump had made the assumption that over in China, they make the steel, roll it into pipes, and then ship it over here on ships (he explicitly stated this in an interview sometime after). The reality, as I learned on NPR, is that China forges the steel into large bars [I](the US currently has no forges that can either make the type of steel needed for the pipeline, nor the capacity to fill an order by such)[/I], and then those bars are shipped to the US. Once here on American soil, they're heated up and then rolled into whatever they're needed for, such as pipes. The companies that roll them into pipes are American, so technically it's American piping that is going into the pipeline. Just not the material to make those pipes. The process of making the pipes are still purely on American soil. In order for the metal to be "American made", first and foremost there has to be a market for it when it's just really fucking cheap to buy Chinese steel rather than make it here, both labor [I]and[/I] material-wise. The reason there is no American forge that can produce the specific steel needed or make enough for the project is because it's literally been cheaper to buy Chinese steel [I]for decades.[/I] Long enough that American forges for that particular steel closed years and years ago.[/QUOTE] Ah so he's just incompetent, what a relief.