Holy shit bk-MBDB is my new DOC. (No, this is not a stupid honeymoon period thread.)
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Hey. My order of Butylone (slang/chemical name for bk-MBDB) arrived about 3 weeks ago and this morning I tested it (trying to be responsible) by trying less than 10mg (cannot be sure of weight as this is a 0.01g scale). I was particularly impressed with the duration as the comedown has only started now. The most prominent thing about this drug is the duration and tentatively, confidence. The stimulation is not overpowering in the least, (although I DID use a small dose) but would probably prevent sleep without the aid of a Xanax 1mg but they're so widespread on the Internet and I have 60mg so my supply will last a long time assuming I don't do it all the time.
Yeah yeah, duration doesn't matter is what you'll say but IMO it does because a larger half life means less redosing and although this means you have less control, it means you can be more sure of how a dose will effect you and not have to worry about periods between your previous dose like with Mephedrone or even Methylone.
Anyhow, onto the big point. Confidence. If you feel you have a strange pseudo-anxiety where you don't connect with people but don't actually get panicky then this is perfect for you. I have never had a full-on panic attack but I've witnessed one and I know how bad they can be, this probably isn't for you if this is the case due to the slight paranoia I experienced (although it was rather amusing and based around the fact I was transporting a plethora of drugs around campus most of the day as I'm giving away my Mephedrone, MDPV, DXM (to Anubis when he gives me info! ;) ) and most of my Codeines as I've become far too dependant on them to live a normal life in my opinion. I have kept my paws on Xanax, Phenazepam and Butylone however, but these are hardly destructive in my experience.
I've just realised that this entire thread so far has not really discussed the drug, it's surprising how this is the case as I'm normally pretty informative but I'll get right to the point now. Confidence on this drug feels REAL. Not fake like on Mephedrone or Methylone (lol, hardly Confidence anyway). I feel pretty good about myself which is not something I'm accustomed to. I don't mean Cocaine ontop of the world and I don't mean Mephedrone-can-go-either-way pseudo-confidence either. I feel like this is how everybody else lives their lives. With a desire to communicate. Perhaps slightly more Dopamine and Serotonin in the synapse. Perhaps I really SHOULD try an SSRI or SDRI although I'm still wary of this.
I left this and have just come back. Just to say. Stay low with this stuff. It seems all Beta Ketones have a bout of stimulation where the Ephedrine comes out to play. It seems more intense with the 'lones of the BK's although I am assured these are healthier than the 'drones. ;) We'll see in due course.
Anyhow, the comedown involves a bout of residual stimulation I was not expecting. High BP but fairly stable HR. Slight pain in chest. Due most likely to lack of food, lack of water (drinking on stimulants is difficult to bring yourself to do although I do drink enough) and there's the possibility it's psychosomatic (I believe this is a word). The reason I do not think it is this is I do not feel panicky although that confident burst I got all day has gone. I'm going to miss that. You guys on Ritalin are lucky (if that causes the same confident boosting effect as this which I can bet it does). My mental performance still shows increase but I present you with a somewhat cryptic metaphor:
[b]It's like a large giant swinging wildly at a small rodent; and missing.[/b]
In essense. I've got a strange pseudo-intelligence but not the mental aptitute to apply it successfully. AKA typo's galore. Facts hitting my head! Bam! Nothing I can do to stop it and will definitely be applying my customary 1mg of Xanax to ease me into sleep. Was hoping I could avoid that with this stuff but clearly not. I'm aware my drug use has increased dramatically with my latest shipment and as such I gave all my Codeines and Stimulants except Butylone to a friend on loan yesterday to keep safe for me. (I've educated him enough on legal highs to get him to stay away, although he introduced me to them. He's a bit clueless when it comes to legality and harm but he's getting there. He'll probably read this thread at some point so: hey man. ;) )
Thanks for reading my report. Hopefully it wasn't too fragmented. Stimulation is gradually wearing off. To give a brief time synopsis on this would be difficult but I'll try my best.
T+10: Surprisingly felt something subtle but significant. Like the buzz I get from MDPV. I know that's an oxymoron but you'd see if you tried this. I do recommend it assuming you have a scale. ;)
T+20: Definitely something there. I had already left for a lecture by this point I believe. I do not actually recall exactly. Ah yes! My friend popped round and this is when I exchanged 750mg of MDPV for nothing. Yes. Rid of that stuff for good after I saw what it did to him. Yeah, you may say that what I did is irresponsible but after the recent Cathinone ban the best way to be rid of this stuff is charity gouging and he's irresponsible enough that I know he will gobble it all up before then. This sounds evil but trust me. This guy is the definition of evil and I'm sorry to say that the side-effects he gets from drugs do not seem to sway him. It was self-preservation on my part but surely I deserve some sort of selfish act quota during my life? I've certainly not used it until now.
T+30: My mate left. Even though I find him difficult to be with it was strangely more open. He's who I share most of my drug experiences with however I see him in a completely different light when I'm sober and he's high. I hope this is not how I come across when I'm high as that would not be good at all.
T+1h-8h: Things intensified subtley but definitely. From this point to 6 hours I was feeling what I expected Methylone to produce. A pretty strong sense of well-being. A HUGE BOOM in confidence as noted above. I spoke to my neighbour openly about weed. Something I wouldn't normally do but he did smell pretty strongly of it and it was small-talk that I don't normally exhibit. Definitely a positive effect.
T+8h: Slowly coming down but not exactly too hard. That's not to say this comedown isn't hard. It most definitely is. Due to the length of the experience the comedown can be compared safely with Methylone and as you may know. I did [b]not[/b] enjoy that comedown. Transient chest tension is most definitely there however no major vasoconstriction that would scare me (pretty much scared myself into thinking vasoconstriction was a genuine threat on Methylone due to Mephedrone readings). This isn't to say that this could be serious but I'm doubtful as this sort of thing is reported on MDMA as well and this is a related chemical. Albeit not as related as Methylone but this feels far cleaner when you're "up". I can't say how the hangover will be yet but my prognosis is: not good based on how I feel now. This stuff would be great for an all nighter. Either my scale was broken or 10mg of this is incredibly strong and lasts all night. I am actually beginning to feel that they may have mislabeled my MDPV and Butylone due to the fact the density of this substance was low however this is likely just paranoia kicking in. It would explain my lack of dysphoria that's associated with Butylone but not the paradoxical Confidence boost that I would NOT associate with MDPV. Not even in the "up" stage. It can be quite a jittery high.
T+12: I finally finish this report. I've not been writing all this time. Been chatting to friends. I opened up quite a lot to one of my friends and we bonded although he was not on a drug at the time. So it can be a good one-way social gate if you have ever felt you needed it. Although I've not tried MDMA I can definitely say this is a prime candidate for a replacement. Much more so than Methylone or Mephedrone due to the similar duration. Much much similar dosage and the increased Serotonin activity. I'm sure a high dose on this would render one so out of breath on Euphoria that one may vomit. I didn't get nausea but the rush was intense on this dose so I can imagine it could be compared to MDMA on many levels. I would urge you guys who have tried both to comment on the differences. I'm surprised this chem didn't kick off. But let's see how the hangover is first.
Right. Ending this now. Going to bed. Night night Facepunch. Happy dreams. Or in my case... trippy. Trippy screen right now. Twirley stuff in center of vision. Just thought I'd note.
Nice and informative report, if you could PM me some informations of where you got it, it would be appreciated.
Sounds like great stuff. Also sounds like it'd be perfect if cut with mdma.
As an alternative to MDMA I can imagine it would be quite distinguishable (even as a novice user of MDMA) as a result of what can only be described on Erowid as "A Novel Euphoria" and I can assure you that MDMA can only be categorized by the same term I apply to Mephedrone which is "ABSOLUTE BLISS". I've been speaking in metaphors during the experience and this is no different. It's almost as if it's a Rose and you'll cut yourself every time you pick it up but the beauty is captivating instantly. The bleeding starts later on and as such you're not sure you want to pick the Rose up again as a fear of "ruining" the beauty runs through you. Okay, that was a pretty bad metaphor but if you've ever been tripping you'd understand. And I would define this a trip as reality is being distorted subtley but certainly and hallucinations are definitely there now. I wish I could film them for you guys. Alas. I cannot. However I'll describe them as best I can. The window is stretching and squeezing every now and then. Almost breathing but slightly more mechanical psychologically and most definitely not stim psychosis like my previous experiences with hallucinations as these are definitely distortions of reality rather than complete fabrications. I'll describe exactly what I'm seeing now to aid you in understanding. I am looking at the quick reply box right now ( I live by it ) and the blue bar ontop keeps twirling around with different colours however looking at it quickly dispels all the magic. In other words: peripheral hallucinations. However a lot less peripheral than what I'm used to. Kinda nice now the stimulation has worn off. The hallucinations appear transient as upon reading over my post to do a half-arsed proofread it's gone.
Anyway. After all of that. I would have to say I would recommend mixing this with MDMA only if you dosed the Butylone orally due to the very stimulative metabolite that appears. I fear this could cause pretty bad panic at best if it coincided with the MDMA stimulative effect although this occurs with the high and I think they'd probably compound each other great. Just have a Xanax on hand ESPECIALLY if you plan to try this combo. I'm going to attempt natural sleep soon but I have that nagging feeling I will not be successful in my quest for the land of Nod.
I've sort of realised why people on Erowid trip reports talk as if I am now. I feel like this Butylone trip has redefined me as a person. Although in a subtle way it has. It does not leave me wanting [b]more[/b] as such and that's unusual for me. I feel a lot more spiritual than I've ever felt before. I'm not religious but earlier was watching a film called Gran Torino whilst on this stuff (did not get to finish the film unfortunately) and felt it was a beautiful film. I was really intent on continuing to watch it but had to go to lecture with hall mates. I stated during the film that I'd like to join a church just for the act of helping people however openly state that my belief in God is non-apparent. I think that feeling still dwells inside of me. Perhaps I'm over stating this but this is certainly the most significant and meaningful experience of my life. Perhaps what many refer to LSD being. Many of you may not find solace and meaning in the Butylone world. But I find meaning in deep knowledge. Tonight I found deep knowledge of myself. As a result, I still surprisingly feel that I wish to give away my Codeines and Xanax's etc even after the comedown. I really do wish this feeling lasts until tomorrow. My mind will be blown.
Thank you so much for reading this everyone. I hope you find the same... meaningfullness I found out of this trip and hopefully the same ability to articulate yourself that I seem to have discovered during this night. Right. You'll probably see me posting around the forum until the dark hours but I'm just collecting my thoughts into a single cohesive timeline of events so that I can dissect what made this experience worthwhile as I know this would help everybody else.
See ya again.
Also I PM'd you that 'sauce Dirtbox. Enjoy! If you're in America. Remember Butylone is probably actually (a little bit of an oxymoron) legal but barely. It's certainly more legal than 4-methmethcathinone due to the fact it's less related to the Cathinones and also less related to the Methylone which is in turn an analogue of MDMA (although this is controversial).
Have a good read. Once again. No idea how many times I've said that thus far.
Shit, is this why you've been writing massive essays in all of your posts tonight? I kinda skimmed your main post, my eyes hurt and I have a headache so I'll read the whole thing later. Sounds kinda cool though. Maybe good for writing essays, should keep that in mind.
Longer duration - more self control.
Look at meph, it doesn't lasts so long, and it's so addicting it's unbeliveable.
[QUOTE=theXinferno;20679376]Shit, is this why you've been writing massive essays in all of your posts tonight? I kinda skimmed your main post, my eyes hurt and I have a headache so I'll read the whole thing later. Sounds kinda cool though. Maybe good for writing essays, should keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much yeah. My pupils are STILL mega-dilated into the next day although I'm in the hangover stage. It's not so bad. I attempted to sleep for 3 hours without a Xanax but it was not happening. Xanax sorted that but I'm going to leave Butylone alone for a few days at least. It may be useful for my programming coursework however.
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[QUOTE=kobilica;20679441]Longer duration - more self control.
Look at meph, it doesn't lasts so long, and it's so addicting it's unbeliveable.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Crack Cocaine is an even better example. Although Methamphetamine lasts a long ass time and to be honest, I'd compare this to what I've heard about crystal meth in terms of duration.
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