A few Bernie Supporters move to Green Party & Jill Stein to help split democratic vote for Trump - Polidicks

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5v08M1L.png[/IMG] [QUOTE] Her campaign has been on the upswing as well. While she hasn’t broken into the double digits, she’s remaining optimistic about the difference that her campaign can make on the American political landscape. “There’s clearly a lot of interest in our campaign and we’re up against a really steep hill,” she said. “This is how you build political movements —- you have to gain trust and you have to work together and that's what you can do in the course of a political campaign. You can test the waters and those waters right now are feeling very warm and welcoming,” she told ABC. This is Stein’s second time through the [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/elections/presidential-election.htm"]presidential campaign[/URL] process. She feels that this time, Sanders has helped her campaign, even though she says the Green Party has been asking to meet with him for years with no response. [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/meet-woman-running-president/story?id=39639422"]Meet the Other Woman Running for President[/URL] “It’s quite different [this time]. In 2012, we were really ahead of the curve. This year, the curve caught up to us and we have [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/bernie-sanders.htm"]Bernie Sanders[/URL] who lifted up our agenda and it found incredible resonance in the polls among people who are activists,” she said. ... When asked what she would think of a Trump presidency, Stein said she “wouldn't wish that on anyone, nor would I wish Hillary on anyone. [B]Hillary is a proven danger[/B] and [B]Trump is a terrifying danger.[/B]” [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] There’s one candidate for president that Bernie Sanders supporters can endorse, without feeling they’re rewarding a corrupt system, or succumbing to a lesser evil. Dr. Jill Stein will battle Wall Street, end perpetual wars, and focus on working people. If she falls short of perfection, at least her goals are lofty and she remains independent of lobbyist influence; Hillary Clinton accepted [URL="https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/"]prison lobbyist[/URL] donations for a reason. With the hubris of Clinton’s campaign [URL="http://fortune.com/2016/07/24/wasserman-schultz-clinton-campaign/"]working directly[/URL] with Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Dr. Stein is needed more than ever, and has in many ways become the new Bernie Sanders. In certain other ways, she could be even better than Bernie Sanders, and I urge everyone to watch [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eqPFta8mt4"]Tim Black’s interview[/URL] with Dr. Stein. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/green-partys-jill-stein-offers-glimpse-hope-bernie/story?id=40860418"]Source 1, ABC[/URL] [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dr-jill-stein-is-the-new-bernie-sanders_us_5797301de4b0e002a3140462"]Source 2, HP[/URL] Can't Mine The Stein

I fear if he makes this move he would be bashed if he ever tried to run as a democrat in the future.

[QUOTE=Aide;50781911]I fear if he makes this move he would be bashed if he ever tried to run as a democrat in the future.[/QUOTE] Are you talking about Bernie or Jill? I can't see Bernie recovering from the disappointment this election cycle to continue running with the Democrats for any office

[QUOTE=Aide;50781911]I fear if he makes this move he would be bashed if he ever tried to run as a democrat in the future.[/QUOTE] After this election cycle I don't think he'd want to be associated with the DNC anyways.

I guess HuffPo is an unreliable source up until it helps your narrative [QUOTE=Aide;50781911]I fear if he makes this move he would be bashed if he ever tried to run as a democrat in the future.[/QUOTE] He is almost guaranteed not to run again. I think it makes much more sense that he endorsed Hillary and got the DNC to concede on their platform because he has worked with the Democrats for decades. If he aligned with the Green party he would have done so years ago.

it's sad how much bernie talked about the broken political system we live in, only for his previous supporters to undermine themselves with a third party candidate to split the vote

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50781933]I guess HuffPo is an unreliable source up until it helps your narrative He is almost guaranteed not to run again. I think it makes much more sense that he endorsed Hillary and got the DNC to concede on their platform because he has worked with the Democrats for decades. If he aligned with the Green party he would have done so years ago.[/QUOTE] Forgive me for trying to use sources you guys actually like. Couldn't find a recent article on her from a conservative site.

Watch a repeat of the 2000 Presidential election happen, where the Green Party splits the Democrat-leaning vote and the US ends up with a Republican President for another 8 years, despite a majority of the people not voting for a Republican. Except he will be the xenophobic and divisive Trump, not the incompetent Dubya.

[QUOTE=bitches;50781936]it's sad how much bernie talked about the broken political system we live in, only for his previous supporters to undermine themselves with a third party candidate to split the vote[/QUOTE] 3rd parties always split the vote, Johnson's taking away Trump votes. I feel bad for Sanders supporters; even though I hate his policies he's not Clinton and got robbed of the nomination.

I'm casting my vote with her because, while I disagree on some issues such as gun rights and nuclear energy, a lot of other things I do agree with her and her party's positions.

[QUOTE=bitches;50781936]it's sad how much bernie talked about the broken political system we live in, only for his previous supporters to undermine themselves with a third party candidate to split the vote[/QUOTE] How are they "undermining themselves", that doesn't even make any sense.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;50781957]I'm casting my vote with her because, while I disagree on some issues such as gun rights and nuclear energy, a lot of other things I do agree with her and her party's positions.[/QUOTE] Not voting for her but I agree with your decision. She would be a far better example as the first female president than Clinton. Jill hardly brings that up meanwhile that was the entire selling point of the DNC today.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50781944]Forgive me for trying to use sources you guys actually like. Couldn't find a recent article on her from a conservative site.[/QUOTE] Who is "you guys" because I have never enjoyed reading leftist blogs based on bad assumptions. It's just incredibly obvious what the point of this thread is supposed to be

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50781924]Are you talking about Bernie or Jill? I can't see Bernie recovering from the disappointment this election cycle to continue running with the Democrats for any office[/QUOTE] Dude, what are you even talking about? Yeah sure, there may have been some idiots like the babies that decided to vote Trump if Hillary won the nomination, but this isn't the Republican party, cooler heads will prevail. I mean, even if this is an anecdote, almost all of the Bernie supporters I know have accepted Bernie endorsing Hillary because they realize that Bernie and his other political affiliates can do so much more by working inside the system. Hell the proof is around you, the entire DNC, not just Hillary, has adopted the $15 minimum wage platform, education and healthcare reforms, and changes to the superdelegate system. Do you really think with that kind of motion already, Bernie supporters will just give up, especially the rational ones aka the vast majority of them?

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50781980]Dude, what are you even talking about? Yeah sure, there may have been some idiots like the babies that decided to vote Trump if Hillary won the nomination, but this isn't the Republican party, cooler heads will prevail. I mean, even if this is an anecdote, almost all of the Bernie supporters I know have accepted Bernie endorsing Hillary because they realize that Bernie and his other political affiliates can do so much more by working inside the system. Hell the proof is around you, the entire DNC, not just Hillary, has adopted the $15 minimum wage platform, education and healthcare reforms, and changes to the superdelegate system. Do you really think with that kind of motion already, Bernie supporters will just give up, especially the rational ones aka the vast majority of them?[/QUOTE] I didn't understand Aide's post. I believe a lot of Sanders reporters will not vote for Hillary, but I'm not sure what they will do. People were crying live on TV when Bernie talked yesterday and conceded defeat to Clinton, and [url=https://youtu.be/xHqITGYj0_I]a lot of supporters are pissed at the DNC[/url] and are threatening to leave following the DNC email leak.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50781990]I didn't understand Aide's post. I believe a lot of Sanders reporters will not vote for Hillary, but I'm not sure what they will do. People were crying live on TV when Bernie talked yesterday and conceded defeat to Clinton, and [url=https://youtu.be/xHqITGYj0_I]a lot of supporters are pissed at the DNC[/url] and are threatening to leave following the DNC email leak.[/QUOTE] The kind of person that shows up at the DNC to blindly support Bernie even though he lost is far from your average supporter.

[QUOTE=sb27;50781945]Watch a repeat of the 2000 Presidential election happen, where the Green Party splits the Democrat-leaning vote and the US ends up with a Republican President for another 8 years, despite a majority of the people not voting for a Republican. Except he will be the xenophobic and divisive Trump, not the incompetent Dubya.[/QUOTE] The libertarians are already splitting the Republican vote so it won't really matter. [editline]27th July 2016[/editline] Also, Stein is an anti-vax, homoeopathy promoting loon, despite being a doctor.

For fucks sakes. Say hello to President Trump boys. I can't wait for the 2017 Hunger Games.

[QUOTE=download;50782011]The libertarians are already splitting the Republican vote so it won't really matter. [editline]27th July 2016[/editline] Also, Stein is an anti-vax, homoeopathy promoting loon, despite being a doctor.[/QUOTE] It would be just as bad if the Republicans are robbed of the election instead, because of third parties. It would be a loss for democracy. And with the support for Johnson, that might actually happen.

Vote third party. It'll send a very clear message to the two major parties. I'm voting for Gary Johnson in November.

So... making things easier for Trump to win? Heh. [QUOTE=sb27;50781945]Watch a repeat of the 2000 Presidential election happen, where the Green Party splits the Democrat-leaning vote and the US ends up with a Republican President for another 8 years, despite a majority of the people not voting for a Republican. Except he will be the xenophobic and divisive Trump, not the incompetent Dubya.[/QUOTE] Good catch, I've never read about the '00 elections. [QUOTE=download;50782011]Also, Stein is an anti-vax, homoeopathy promoting loon, despite being a doctor.[/QUOTE] Well that's... bad. In all fairness, most left-leaning people always gravitates towards that sort of anti-science crap; anti-nuclear energy, anti-GMO, anti-vaxxer. There's clearly a pattern.

[QUOTE=sb27;50782121]It would be just as bad if the Republicans are robbed of the election instead, because of third parties. It would be a loss for democracy. And with the support for Johnson, that might actually happen.[/QUOTE] What are you on about? How is people choosing not to vote for a party a "loss for democracy?"

[QUOTE=download;50782335]What are you on about? How is people choosing not to vote for a party a "loss for democracy?"[/QUOTE] Not voting for one of the top-two candidates in a FPTP system. They don't have the luxury of voting for third parties like we can in Australia. If they do, they will split the vote and that's a loss for democracy if it means that a candidate is elected (often from the minority side of the candidates) despite not even receiving >50% of the vote. Which would mean that a majority of voters voted for a candidate that didn't win.

[QUOTE=sb27;50782341]Not voting for one of the top-two candidates in a FPTP system. They don't have the luxury of voting for third parties like we can in Australia. If they do, they will split the vote and that's a loss for democracy if it means that a candidate is elected (often from the minority side of the candidates) despite not even receiving >50% of the vote. Which would mean that a majority of voters voted for a candidate that didn't win.[/QUOTE] Or maybe people will wake up and realise the system is broken. [editline]27th July 2016[/editline] Also, your argument is basically blackmail.

[QUOTE=download;50782011]Also, Stein is an anti-vax, homoeopathy promoting loon, despite being a doctor.[/QUOTE] Stein isn't anti-vax, or a promoter of homeopathy. Sorry. Homeopathy was part of the Green Party platform language, and it was removed.

[QUOTE=download;50782011]The libertarians are already splitting the Republican vote so it won't really matter. [editline]27th July 2016[/editline] Also, Stein is an anti-vax, homoeopathy promoting loon, despite being a doctor.[/QUOTE] She's definitely pro-vaxx, just anti-big parhma. [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4ixbr5/i_am_jill_stein_green_party_candidate_for/d31ydoe?context=3[/url]

[QUOTE=download;50782350]Or maybe people will wake up and realise the system is broken. [editline]27th July 2016[/editline] Also, your argument is basically blackmail.[/QUOTE] Yes well I hope people do realise that. Almost everything is better than FPTP. The most-realistic alternative that could be considered in America (accounting for the vote-counting machines most states use, and how well voters would understand the system) would be the Approval Voting system. It's not exactly the greatest system, but it can remove that one critical flaw in FPTP: the spoiler effect. My argument wasn't blackmail. It was the spoiler effect.

[QUOTE=rilez;50782356]Stein isn't anti-vax, or a promoter of homeopathy. Sorry. Homeopathy was part of the Green Party platform language, and it was removed.[/QUOTE] Really, so why is this in their policy position then? [quote]Greens support a wide range of health care services, not just traditional medicine, which too often emphasizes "a medical arms race" that relies upon high-tech intervention, surgical techniques and costly pharmaceuticals. Chronic conditions are often best cured by alternative medicine. We support the teaching, funding and practice of holistic health approaches and, as appropriate, the use of complementary and alternative therapies such as herbal medicines, homeopathy, naturopathy, traditional Chinese medicine and other healing approaches.[/quote] [url]http://www.gp.org/social_justice/#sjHealthCare[/url] Though it's a blog, this author sums up my feelings on the matter quite well: [url]http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/07/jill-stein-promotes-homeopathy-panders-on-vaccines/[/url]

[QUOTE=download;50782381]Really, so why is this in their policy position then?[/QUOTE] This is the platform language that I [B]just said[/B] was changed. [url]http://gp.org/cgi-bin/vote/propdetail?pid=820[/url] Stein herself was never anti-vaxx or pro-homeopathy. She doesn't decide every aspect of the Green Party's platform, either. [editline]27th July 2016[/editline] In the AMA you're referencing, she's not arguing for anti-vaxx or pro-homeopathy. She views declining vaccinations as a problem, and part of that problem is public distrust of regulatory committees.

[QUOTE=rilez;50782405]This is the platform language that I [B]just said[/B] was changed. [url]http://gp.org/cgi-bin/vote/propdetail?pid=820[/url] Stein herself was never anti-vaxx or pro-homeopathy. She doesn't decide every aspect of the Green Party's platform, either.[/QUOTE] You would think that in the age of digital media they would update their platform in days or hours instead of waiting more than three months, particularly during election season. [quote]In the AMA you're referencing, she's not arguing for anti-vaxx or pro-homeopathy. She views declining vaccinations as a problem, and part of that problem is public distrust of regulatory committees.[/QUOTE] It's wishy-washy language to avoid pissing off her naturapath nutjob voters.