PKK terrorists kill 2 off duty Turkish police officers in their homes
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[quote]Two Turkish police officers were shot dead on Wednesday by the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) terrorist organization in the Syrian border town of Ceylanpınar, security sources have said, two days after a suicide bombing in the region killed 32 people.
The two officers were found dead with bullet wounds to the head in the house they shared, the security sources said on the condition of anonymity. Pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) lawmaker Ziya Çalışkan, who represents Şanlıurfa, said the incident did not appear to be "terror-related," citing local sources.
However, the outlawed PKK later claimed responsibility on Wednesday for the killing of the two officers, saying it was in retaliation for Monday's suicide bombing that killed 32 people in Suruç, which has been blamed on the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). The PKK said in a written statement on one of its websites that the police officers were killed at around 6 a.m. on Wednesday in retaliation for the Turkish police's "collaboration with the Daesh [the Arabic term for ISIL] gang."[/quote]
[url]http://www.todayszaman.com/national_pkk-kills-2-turkish-police-officers-in-retaliation-for-suruc-blast_394244.html[/url]
I'm sure the peaceful turks aren't doing anything bad to the kurds to make them respond in this way, also the armenian genocide never happened right?
[QUOTE=moffe;48330395]I'm sure the peaceful turks aren't doing anything bad to the kurds to make them respond in this way, also the armenian genocide never happened right?[/QUOTE]
What an ignorant thing to say. Are you a supporter of PKK?
Edit: I mean don't mix them up with normal Kurds, PKK isn't exactly a peaceful group.
[QUOTE=moffe;48330395]I'm sure the peaceful turks aren't doing anything bad to the kurds to make them respond in this way[/QUOTE]
That's right. PKK is a terrorist organistaion and you don't collaborate with terrorists.
[QUOTE=Allah;48330610]That's right. PKK is a terrorist organistaion and you don't collaborate with terrorists.[/QUOTE]
This shits crazy, the last I heard was Turkey getting caught filling ISIS's cookie jar, and now I'm just looking at your post history. Do you have any suggested reading material about this shit?
[QUOTE=Soren;48330634]This shits crazy, the last I heard was Turkey getting caught filling ISIS's cookie jar, and now I'm just looking at your post history. Do you have any suggested reading material about this shit?[/QUOTE]
That's rich coming from an American, the country who created Al-Qaeda.
[QUOTE=Allah;48330672]That's rich coming from an American, the country who created Al-Qaeda.[/QUOTE]
what
i was being serious do you have reading material
[QUOTE=Allah;48330672]That's rich coming from an American, the country who created Al-Qaeda.[/QUOTE]
and how does that make it ok for Turkey to fund ISIS, exactly?
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;48330679]and how does that make it ok for Turkey to fund ISIS, exactly?[/QUOTE]
oh god what if Allah is a paid troll being hired by a goverment... shit...
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;48330679]and how does that make it ok for Turkey to fund ISIS, exactly?[/QUOTE]
Any evidence to back that claim up?
[QUOTE=Allah;48330683]Any evidence to back that claim up?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.businessinsider.com.au/links-between-turkey-and-isis-are-now-undeniable-2015-7[/url]
[QUOTE=MissZoey;48330698][url]http://www.businessinsider.com.au/links-between-turkey-and-isis-are-now-undeniable-2015-7[/url][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-crisis-turkey-and-saudi-arabia-shock-western-countries-by-supporting-antiassad-jihadists-10242747.html[/url]
all the build up leading up to it
[QUOTE=MissZoey;48330698][url]http://www.businessinsider.com.au/links-between-turkey-and-isis-are-now-undeniable-2015-7[/url][/QUOTE]
What proves to me that the so called "evidence" exists? I'll reconsider my position when they publish it.
[QUOTE=Allah;48330751]What proves to me that the so called "evidence" exists? I'll reconsider my position when they publish it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, in 20 years, when it won't have as much effect. Look, man, you're clearly some type of propagandist, or just some radical Turkish, but honestly it seems like you're just posting these highly sensationalized titles in the favor of turkey.
[url]http://i.imgur.com/WNRGYcV.png[/url]
oh nevermind sorry folks
[QUOTE=Allah;48330610]That's right. PKK is a terrorist organistaion and you don't collaborate with terrorists.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about.
Everyone is collaboating with Terrorists.If it fits you.
First and formost the US who by the way is backing up Turkey.
[editline]30th July 2015[/editline]
This is the second news article with this laconic "peaceful PKK Terrorists" in the title from you.
[QUOTE=Allah;48330751]What proves to me that the so called "evidence" exists? I'll reconsider my position when they publish it.[/QUOTE]
Are you the Turkish karimatrix?
[QUOTE=Swebonny;48330461]What an ignorant thing to say. Are you a supporter of PKK?
Edit: I mean don't mix them up with normal Kurds, PKK isn't exactly a peaceful group.[/QUOTE]
I don't support the pkk when they attack the civilian population but I can absolutely see where they're coming from, turkey has a long history of abusing and even genociding their minorities.
Not long ago they also threatened to invade northern syria to prevent a free kurdish state under the control of the ypg if it ever was to form.
[QUOTE=moffe;48335613]I don't support the pkk when they attack the civilian population but I can absolutely see where they're coming from[/QUOTE]
You can't be seriously justifying this, they went into the guys home and fucking executed them. Why punish Civilians who have nothing to do with the Government?
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;48380891]You can't be seriously justifying this, they went into the guys home and fucking executed them. Why punish Civilians who have nothing to do with the Government?[/QUOTE]
Not defending the actions here but if you're at war and the primary actors against you are police that are basically the street-level authority of an occupying power, then they aren't exactly non-combatants.
For instance, Israel has used police in the past to occupy areas of the Golan Heights and surrounding areas instead of military because of agreements with Syria that established a DMZ. No military? Then send in the civilian police forces. Same goes with the occupied west bank now, a large amount of the security infrastructure isn't military at all, but police.
At no point in history have police even been considered non-combatants in war, they're paramilitaries.
This particular instance I'm not going to say whether it was justified or not. The PKK says that the executions weren't even related to the conflict, it very well could have been a personal attack. All the same, it's awful that anyone dies in conflict and war. But people do.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48380988']Not defending the actions here but if you're at war and the primary actors against you are police that are basically the street-level authority of an occupying power, then they aren't exactly non-combatants.
For instance, Israel has used police in the past to occupy areas of the Golan Heights and surrounding areas instead of military because of agreements with Syria that established a DMZ. No military? Then send in the civilian police forces. Same goes with the occupied west bank now, a large amount of the security infrastructure isn't military at all, but police.
At no point in history have police even been considered non-combatants in war, they're paramilitaries.
This particular instance I'm not going to say whether it was justified or not. The PKK says that the executions weren't even related to the conflict, it very well could have been a personal attack. All the same, it's awful that anyone dies in conflict and war. But people do.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure you're right about that.
The Golan has been annexed by Israel and there are quite a lot of IDF forces there securing the borders with Syria and Lebanon.
The West Bank is occupied by Israel, so not only is the IDF there but it's governed by Israeli military law. The IDF even operates inside the areas controlled by the PA, though in coordination with the Palestinian government.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;48383747]I'm not sure you're right about that.
The Golan has been annexed by Israel and there are quite a lot of IDF forces there securing the borders with Syria and Lebanon.
The West Bank is occupied by Israel, so not only is the IDF there but it's governed by Israeli military law. The IDF even operates inside the areas controlled by the PA, though in coordination with the Palestinian government.[/QUOTE]
But the inciting incident for the annexation of the Golan Heights was that Israel and Syrian established a DMZ in the area. Israel got around this by sending police in place of military and would often test the borders by sending tractors into the no-go zone and then responding to Syrian attacks with bombings. After some time this escalated to Israel fully invading the Heights.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48385274']But the inciting incident for the annexation of the Golan Heights was that Israel and Syrian established a DMZ in the area. Israel got around this by sending police in place of military and would often test the borders by sending tractors into the no-go zone and then responding to Syrian attacks with bombings. After some time this escalated to Israel fully invading the Heights.[/QUOTE]
That's one way of describing the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War#Israel_and_Syria"]lead up to the Six Day War[/URL], I guess.
[QUOTE]From the Golan Heights, Syrians had shelled Israeli settlements and other targets,[73][74] such as fishermen in the Sea of Galilee,[75] drawing punitive responsive strikes from Israel.[74] In addition, following the 1966 coup in Damascus, attacks and acts of sabotage by Syrian-based Palestinian guerrillas (Fatah) had increased,[76][77] although Jordan was still the main source.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Syria also claimed that Syrian shelling had always occurred in response to Israeli firing on peaceful Arab farmers or Syrian posts.[80][[B]better source needed[/B]] This point, also raised by Dayan in his interview,[[B]dubious – discuss[/B]][81] is further supported by the eye-witness accounts of Dutch UN Observer force Colonel Jan Mühren who attested to the Israeli practice of using armoured tractors to farm in the DMZ in areas prohibited by the 1949 Armistice agreement.[[B]unreliable source?[/B]] These activities would draw Syrian fire, to which Israel would respond with its own forces.[82] However, the vague [B]1949 Armistice agreement had not prohibited civil activity in the DMZ[/B].[83][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;48387859]That's one way of describing the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War#Israel_and_Syria"]lead up to the Six Day War[/URL], I guess.[/QUOTE]
That's the way it's literally taught in my Israeli history and Arab-Israel Conflict textbooks, so I'm assuming it's accurate. The explanation was backed by my professor who has a BA in M.E. History from SOAS UoL (as well as further degrees in social science, history, and a doctorate in philosophy) and spent 15 years for research in Israel and Jordan, so I generally take his word for it also. Maybe the information isn't accurate but a "dubious source" on Wikipedia doesn't exactly make it less correct.
Also of note is that I'm not saying that Israel broke the rules using police or by farming, but it's still the use of police. What I AM saying is that police are paramilitaries and have been used as agents of states like armies, and that Israel intentionally drove tractors near the border to incite a response from Syria. Of note is that- as far as I'm aware- using the tractors in the area they were used was prohibited by the 1949 armistice.
Here's a quote from Moshe Dayan, your defense minister at the time of the war:
[quote]After all, I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was. I did that, and Laskov and Czera did that, and Yitzhak did that, but it seemed to me that the person who most enjoyed these games was Dado. We thought that we could change the lines of the ceasefire accords by military actions that were less than war. That is, to seize some territory and hold it until the enemy despairs and gives it to us.[/quote]
Regardless, this is beside the point.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48389784']That's the way it's literally taught in my Israeli history and Arab-Israel Conflict textbooks, so I'm assuming it's accurate. The explanation was backed by my professor who has a BA in M.E. History from SOAS UoL (as well as further degrees in social science, history, and a doctorate in philosophy) and spent 15 years for research in Israel and Jordan, so I generally take his word for it also. Maybe the information isn't accurate but a "dubious source" on Wikipedia doesn't exactly make it less correct.
Also of note is that I'm not saying that Israel broke the rules using police or by farming, but it's still the use of police. What I AM saying is that police are paramilitaries and have been used as agents of states like armies, and that Israel intentionally drove tractors near the border to incite a response from Syria. Of note is that- as far as I'm aware- using the tractors in the area they were used was prohibited by the 1949 armistice.
Here's a quote from Moshe Dayan, your defense minister at the time of the war:
Regardless, this is beside the point.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. On most of everything.
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