Feds to provide legal benefits, services to all in same-sex marriages (US)
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[QUOTE]The U.S. government will recognize same-sex marriages as equal to traditional marriages in all federal legal matters, including bankruptcies, prison visits and survivor benefits, Attorney General Eric Holder announced Saturday.
The expansion of such federal recognition will include 34 states where same-sex marriage isn't legal, but the new federal benefits being extended to those states will apply only where the U.S. government has jurisdiction, Holder said.
For example, a same-sex couple legally married in Massachusetts can now have their federal bankruptcy proceeding recognized in Alabama, even though it doesn't allow same-sex marriages. In the past, the U.S. government could challenge the couple's joint bankruptcy because Alabama doesn't recognize same-sex marriage.[/QUOTE]
Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/08/politics/holder-same-sex-marriage-rights/index.html[/url]
Render unto Gay Caesar what is due unto Gay Caesar
It feels like 2014 all of a sudden, society evolving shortly
Republicans are going to be thrilled, I need a lawn chair and some popcorn
[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;43844403]Republicans are going to be thrilled, I need a lawn chair and some popcorn[/QUOTE]
No they won't.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;43844528]Is it just me, or is this perception that every single Republican is a far right racist xenophobic halfwit getting old? Seriously this just spreads more ignorance, it's like saying all Germans during WWII were Nazis.[/QUOTE]
Not really, because people didn't choose to be Germans.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;43844572]Not really, because people didn't choose to be Germans.[/QUOTE]
Regardless, the notion that all Republicans are like that is purely idiotic.
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;43846819]Regardless, the notion that all Republicans are like that is purely idiotic.[/QUOTE]
Republicans have been all about that combination of social conservatism and economic conservatism since Reagan.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;43846845]Republicans have been all about that combination of social conservatism and economic conservatism since Reagan.[/QUOTE]
I don't see anything wrong with people having their own views. Mind telling me what is wrong with those without using (or implying) anything about racism?
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;43846868]I don't see anything wrong with people having their own views. Mind telling me what is wrong with those without using (or implying) anything about racism?[/QUOTE]
if enough people are alleging racism that you have to specifically say that it doesn't count rather than rebut it then that's a problem worth considering
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;43846868]I don't see anything wrong with people having their own views. Mind telling me what is wrong with those without using (or implying) anything about racism?[/QUOTE]
Views can be wrong. Social conservatism is flat-out wrong.
It's a cliche. People falsly assume that every single Republican is a racist because they are a republican. I said that so as to remove possibility of someone simply telling me that they're racists so I could (hopefully) get an actual debate.
[editline]9th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;43846914]Views can be wrong. Social conservatism is flat-out wrong.[/QUOTE]
Mind elaborating?
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;43846915]It's a cliche. People falsly assume that every single Republican is a racist because they are a republican. I said that so as to remove possibility of someone simply telling me that they're racists so I could (hopefully) get an actual debate.
[editline]9th February 2014[/editline]
Mind elaborating?[/QUOTE]
Social conservatism in the states really impedes freedom. Stuff like no same-sex marriages, no abortions, pushing of "christian family values", xenophobia. It's all bullshit. Social conservatism in the past allowed things like slavery, and segregation to occur.
So they don't have the right to hold those views?
[editline]9th February 2014[/editline]
So what about economic conservatism? Any problems with that?
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;43846999]So they don't have the right to hold those views?
[editline]9th February 2014[/editline]
So what about economic conservatism? Any problems with that?[/QUOTE]
Sure they have the right to hold those views, but they're wrong, and history will look back on them with contempt
And economic conservatism impedes economic growth and leads to disastrous economic crises
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;43846915]It's a cliche. People falsly assume that every single Republican is a racist because they are a republican. I said that so as to remove possibility of someone simply telling me that they're racists so I could (hopefully) get an actual debate.[/QUOTE]
maybe it would be better to consider why people think that most Republicans are racist rather than just entirely deny the possibility
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;43846999]So they don't have the right to hold those views?
[editline]9th February 2014[/editline]
So what about economic conservatism? Any problems with that?[/QUOTE]
Anyone has the right to hold those views, even if they are wrong. I have the ability to dispute those claims too. That's how the first amendment works!
I personally don't like economic conservatism.
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;43846868]I don't see anything wrong with people having their own views. Mind telling me what is wrong with those without using (or implying) anything about racism?[/QUOTE]
"not all republicans are like that!" "yeah they are" "they have a right to hold those views!"
[QUOTE=Cone;43847034]maybe it would be better to consider why people think that most Republicans are racist rather than just entirely deny the possibility[/QUOTE]
True shit, just wanted to see if someone could try. :v:
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;43847054]Anyone has the right to hold those views, even if they are wrong. I have the ability to dispute those claims too. That's how the first amendment works! [/QUOTE]
I agree.
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;43846999]So they don't have the right to hold those views?
[editline]9th February 2014[/editline]
So what about economic conservatism? Any problems with that?[/QUOTE]
Economic Conservatism is 50/50
For example, being an economic conservative can be decent if you plan appropriately, but most of the time it's used with the whole Libertarian philosophy of, "no moar spending, no moar taxes!"
Consider this: The only state which has a state managed bank, is the blood-red state of North Dakota. Most North Dakotan Republicans and Democrat-NPL actually scoff at the concept of getting rid of the state bank, and because it's been with us since 1917 or something like that, it's considered being Economic Conservative to support it's existence.
My point regarding this is that depending on which state you are in, Economic Conservatism can be a good thing, and ultimately supporting your local parties is a fuck-ton more important then supporting federal level. In 2012, I voted for a mixture of Democrat-NPL as well as Republican(voted Red though for the governor), because in North Dakota, Republicans tend to use their Economic Conservatism to promote better usage of funds with the state bank, while Democrat-NPL tends to push decent policies regarding numerous things.
Unless you live in a state where Economic Conservatism is considered bad(ie. not North Dakota), it tends to be good.
Even as a Conservative, I generally support things from a constitutional perspective, as well as a capitalist perspective.
National Healthcare? Keeps the workforce alive and healthy. It's also good because it works on a consumer level, as it allows you to use funds that would of been put into medical bills into buying consumer goods. Good for the economy, good for public health.
LGBT Rights?[I] "We find these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."[/I]
State Owned Banks and Federal Owned Bank? North Dakota.
Free Tuition to College and University? It would allow for a far more intelligent workforce, would improve the overall standard of education in this country, and would allow for the funds that students would have had to put into college tuition into consumer goods.
All-Around Drug Legalization? We ain't gonna win that drug war without doing this. :v:
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43847368]Economic Conservatism is 50/50
For example, being an economic conservative can be decent if you plan appropriately, but most of the time it's used with the whole Libertarian philosophy of, "no moar spending, no moar taxes!"
Consider this: The only state which has a state managed bank, is the blood-red state of North Dakota. Most North Dakotan Republicans and Democrat-NPL actually scoff at the concept of getting rid of the state bank, and because it's been with us since 1917 or something like that, it's considered being Economic Conservative to support it's existence.
My point regarding this is that depending on which state you are in, Economic Conservatism can be a good thing, and ultimately supporting your local parties is a fuck-ton more important then supporting federal level. In 2012, I voted for a mixture of Democrat-NPL as well as Republican(voted Red though for the governor), because in North Dakota, Republicans tend to use their Economic Conservatism to promote better usage of funds with the state bank, while Democrat-NPL tends to push decent policies regarding numerous things.
Unless you live in a state where Economic Conservatism is considered bad(ie. not North Dakota), it tends to be good.
Even as a Conservative, I generally support things from a constitutional perspective, as well as a capitalist perspective.
National Healthcare? Keeps the workforce alive and healthy. It's also good because it works on a consumer level, as it allows you to use funds that would of been put into medical bills into buying consumer goods. Good for the economy, good for public health.
LGBT Rights?[I] "We find these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."[/I]
State Owned Banks and Federal Owned Bank? North Dakota.
Free Tuition to College and University? It would allow for a far more intelligent workforce, would improve the overall standard of education in this country, and would allow for the funds that students would have had to put into college tuition into consumer goods.
All-Around Drug Legalization? We ain't gonna win that drug war without doing this. :v:[/QUOTE]
you seem more European conservative than US conservative
IMO most people only read one letter when they vote, it's next to the candidates name. They don't read the name, they don't research their policy, they just vote either D or R down the line, every time, and that's the problem with this country. Saying "all republicans are racist xenophobic scum" is ignorant, because the only politicians who are like this are going for the people who just vote R no matter what, so being the name they remember when they get there is the only thing that matters. I bet if you actually spent some time researching, you would find quite a few local politicians who run as republicans who make a lot of sense in their policy, and are all around good people. Both parties are forced to identify christian whether they are or not, so you can just ignore that when making your choice.
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;43846999]So they don't have the right to hold those views?
[editline]9th February 2014[/editline]
So what about economic conservatism? Any problems with that?[/QUOTE]
When did anyone even say they didn't have the right??? They have the right to believe whatever they want and I have the right to call them assholes for either holding those beliefs or associating themselves with those who do because I'm not aware of a whole lot of republicans speaking out to try and change said beliefs
Whether they have the right to believe what they want is absolutely irrelevant
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;43847579]you seem more European conservative than US conservative[/QUOTE]
Well I am a dual citizen of the UK, so maybe its my cousins rubbing off on me lol.
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