Border conflict between Azerbaijan-Armenia escalates - Polidicks

[IMG]http://i58.tinypic.com/2nh25g9.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]The presidents of Azerbaijan and Armenia are expected to meet for talks this week to try to calm tensions over the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh after some of the bloodiest clashes since the two sides signed a ceasefire in 1994. [URL="http://en.apa.az/xeber_defense_ministry__8_azerbaijani_servicem_214660.html"]Azerbaijan’s defence ministry said 14 of its soldiers had been killed[/URL] in multiple confrontations, which began on 30 July. According to Azeri news agency APA, Armenian reconnaissance groups tried to cross the contact line along the border, and Azeri armed forces responded. “As a result of fights, the Armenians gave casualties and retreated,” the semi-official news agency reported. An anonymous senior Armenian military official also told AFP news agency that Azerbaijan had lost 14 troops in the fighting, but blamed the Azeri side for sparking the incidents. “Azerbaijani subversive groups were ambushed,” the official said. “As a result, they have 14 dead and lots of wounded.” He said there had been no casualties or injuries on the Armenian side, although other reports suggested as many as five Armenian soldiers may have been killed. [IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1407173899311/Azerbaijan-map2.svg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/nagorno-karabakh-clashes-azerbaijan-armenia"] Source[/URL] It is impossible to know who sparked the conflict first since both sides shoot at each other everyday. However it is the first conflict after the war that resulted in so many casualties. I don't know about Armenia, but in Azerbaijan it is taken very seriously, after 8 drafted soldier reported dead. I hope all this ends soon, it is very distressing to get all the news about young people dying over this conflict from both sides.

Really guys, did you not learn that mother Russia only supports non west leaning rebels if the non west leaning dictatorship has strayed from its path and leaned west [editline]5th August 2014[/editline] What's with eastern Europe right now, is it bad vodka?

Those are some red ass Aks

[QUOTE=Megadave;45595991]Those are some red ass Aks[/QUOTE] Maybe if we always fully backed up Russia without questioning anything, we would get normal AKs like Armenia.

[QUOTE=Megadave;45595991]Those are some red ass Aks[/QUOTE] I like how these soldiers look like though. I mean, from the aesthetic side of view these red guns fit them more than regular black or patterned ones.

[img]http://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1407173899311/Azerbaijan-map2.svg[/img] That area is pretty clearly in Azerbaijan, cmon. That's like Canada claiming Texas for the oilfields.

[QUOTE=Asmaedus;45597011][img]http://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1407173899311/Azerbaijan-map2.svg[/img] That area is pretty clearly in Azerbaijan, cmon. That's like Canada claiming Texas for the oilfields.[/QUOTE] That area used to belong to Armenia. edit: Rather outlines the problem, you see the person who voted disagree is from Azerbaijan. I guess both sides think they own it. Not trying to be offensive btw, just pointing it out.

[QUOTE=Asmaedus;45597011][img]http://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1407173899311/Azerbaijan-map2.svg[/img] That area is pretty clearly in Azerbaijan, cmon. That's like Canada claiming Texas for the oilfields.[/QUOTE] But it is filled with ethnic Armenians. (and it is a de-jure unrecognized state governed by, you guessed it, Armenians.) Historically, as user above said, it was once part of the First Republic of Armenia (and historical Armenia long before), then once Stalin came, it became an Azeri oblast along with Naxcivan, to try and appease Turkey.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45597192]That area [B]used to[/B] belong to Armenia.[/QUOTE] yeah, and centuries ago Iran, Georgia, Armenia, Southern Russia and Eastern Turkey belonged to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afsharid_dynasty"]Azerbaijan[/URL], but it doesn't mean that after all these years we can go start a war and violate UN Recognized border of another country. It is just plain stupid.

[QUOTE=Sableye;45595946]Really guys, did you not learn that mother Russia only supports non west leaning rebels if the non west leaning dictatorship has strayed from its path and leaned west [editline]5th August 2014[/editline] What's with[B] eastern Europe [/B]right now, is it bad vodka?[/QUOTE] American education

[QUOTE=cucumber;45599947]yeah, and centuries ago Iran, Georgia, Armenia, Southern Russia and Eastern Turkey belonged to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afsharid_dynasty"]Azerbaijan[/URL], but it doesn't mean that after all these years we can go start a war and violate UN Recognized border of another country. It is just plain stupid.[/QUOTE] I agree that hatchets should be buried and times/borders do change but I am stating that both sides think they own it.

[QUOTE=cucumber;45599947]yeah, and centuries ago Iran, Georgia, Armenia, Southern Russia and Eastern Turkey belonged to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afsharid_dynasty"]Azerbaijan[/URL], but it doesn't mean that after all these years we can go start a war and violate UN Recognized border of another country. It is just plain stupid.[/QUOTE] a muslim aristocrat's claims =/= national borders and autonomous oblasts arranged by the USSR to settle national issues

*Sigh*,again guys,seriously ? თქვენი დამპალი დედები მოვტყან!

I wonder if Iran will get involved, they're so damn close to those countries.

[QUOTE=Sourceshift;45600071]თქვენი დამპალი დედები მოვტყან![/QUOTE] Even though this is obviously something insulting, this still looks beautiful:v:

[QUOTE=Sourceshift;45600071]*Sigh*,again guys,seriously ? თქვენი დამპალი დედები მოვტყან![/QUOTE] the georgian alphabet is the coolest shit ever

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;45600109]the georgian alphabet is the coolest shit ever[/QUOTE] Try pronouncing something in Georgian without swallowing your tongue.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;45600109]the georgian alphabet is the coolest shit ever[/QUOTE] It's a shame it's so wavey and confusing.

[QUOTE=croguy;45600237]It's a shame it's so wavey and confusing.[/QUOTE] Every language is confusing if you don't know it.

[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;45600075]I wonder if Iran will get involved, they're so damn close to those countries.[/QUOTE] Iran wouldn't want to step and Russia's toes. edit: The wikipedia article on the area shows which side receives military support from who, kind of useful to see where interests lie.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45601308]Iran wouldn't want to step and Russia's toes. edit: The wikipedia article on the area shows which side receives military support from who, kind of useful to see where interests lie.[/QUOTE] In a nutshell Russia gives weapons to both sides, and doesn't want current situation resolve so we don't start thinking about joining EU, NATO or something.

[QUOTE=cucumber;45602430]In a nutshell Russia gives weapons to both sides, and doesn't want current situation resolve so we don't start thinking about joining EU, NATO or something.[/QUOTE] The Nagorno-Karabakh war is a perfect example of this.

[QUOTE=Conscript;45600011]a muslim aristocrat's claims =/= national borders and autonomous oblasts arranged by the USSR to settle national issues[/QUOTE] Lol of course you would be supporting the Russian stooge-state of Armenia.

[QUOTE=Explosions;45602527]Lol of course you would be supporting the Russian stooge-state of Armenia.[/QUOTE] I thought Armenia is an actual country though?

[QUOTE=Explosions;45602527]Lol of course you would be supporting the Russian stooge-state of Armenia.[/QUOTE] Nope, I just dislike how nationalists have taken advantage of soviet collapse to gobble up old special autonomous zones for minorities and generally plunge the region into a new era of ethnic conflict. The West has only made it worse.

from what i read or learned somewhere, not actually sure where so take this with a grain of salt, but i heard that the soviet union specifically made the boundries the way that they are because it would ensure russian dominance among a fragile and unstable caucasia if the soviet union was to fall and guess what... it worked

[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45602554]I thought Armenia is an actual country though?[/QUOTE] It is unless you live in Pakistan.

[QUOTE=ionuttzu;45599987]American education[/QUOTE] There are various definitions of where Europe begins and where it ends.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45597192]That area used to belong to Armenia. edit: Rather outlines the problem, you see the person who voted disagree is from Azerbaijan. I guess both sides think they own it. Not trying to be offensive btw, just pointing it out.[/QUOTE] I think Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan not because im from Azerbaijan, but because I read about both sides' thoughts on the matter and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions_on_the_Nagorno-Karabakh_conflict"]UN[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_62/243"]resolutions[/URL] about Karabakh.

[QUOTE=ionuttzu;45599987]American education[/QUOTE] Both Armenia and Azerbaijan are members of the Council of Europe and are considered to simultaneously be in Eastern Europe and Western Asia due to both being west of the Urals and partially north of the Caucasus mountains.