Religious activities and "time-out" could mean fines for childcare centres.
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[quote]Childcare workers could be fined for sending toddlers to "time-out" or requiring their charges participate in religious or cultural activities, under new laws that will come into force next year.
Childcare centres could be fined up to $50,000, and supervisors $10,000 for using "inappropriate discipline", according to The Australian.
They could also be fined if children were required to take part in cultural activities such as Easter egg hunts or Christmas tree decorating.
For the first time, childcare workers may also be at risk of personal fines under legislation to be adopted by state and territory governments.[/quote]
More at: [url]http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8232392/easter-egg-hunts-could-mean-fines-for-childcare-centres[/url]
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Wow...
you aussies have a real hardon for banning things unnecessarily
Religious activities, I can see why it's bad. (Forcing a specific religion on such a young child)
But time-outs? Why the fuck is society so keen on eliminating punishment?
This just in, Australia bans the act of banning stuff, resulting in a Groundhog Day Loop of Australians banning bans banning bans.
They're children, what the fuck?
[quote]Childcare workers could be fined for ....or requiring their charges [B]participate in religious[/B] or cultural activities[/quote]
I'm not Australian, but I'm ok with this.
I wish I hadnt been fed all the christian bullshit at primary school.
And the yearly visit to the church for christmas. ridiculous.
I don't think there's anything wrong with religious activities in school.
Militant atheists piss me off.
:siren:I'm an atheist myself:siren:
[QUOTE=Doozle;28983022]Militant atheists piss me off.[/QUOTE]
Bible thumpers piss me off so that makes us even. :buddy:
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;28983012]I wish I hadnt been fed all the christian bullshit at primary school.
And the yearly visit to the church for christmas. ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how spending an hour of your day [b]ONCE A YEAR[/b] in church will be any different from resting your lazy ass in the armchair playing computer games or being the mighty atheist on the internet.
[QUOTE=Thebumb;28983031]Bible bashers piss me off so that makes us even. :buddy:[/QUOTE]
Bible bashers piss me off as well, but atheists who keep pushing there "i'm right, your god doesn't exist" are just as bad as the "hurr, you're going to hell with all the fags" group
[editline]4th April 2011[/editline]
people should be able to believe what they want without having to shove it down other people's throats.
The idea of religion in daycares bothers me a little bit, but not that much. I went to a christian preschool and none of it had an influence on me, I still ended up becoming an atheist.
And as for time outs, why the hell not? Kids misbehave and you discipline them, its not like they are being beaten.
[QUOTE=Miskav;28982985]Religious activities, I can see why it's bad. (Forcing a specific religion on such a young child)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Randdalf;28983003]I'm not Australian, but I'm ok with this.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;28983012]I wish I hadnt been fed all the christian bullshit at primary school.
And the yearly visit to the church for christmas. ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I knnewww there'd be these replies
look I'm atheist too and I don't approve of religious activities in publicly funded institutions but we're talking about daycare here, not public school. people are paying private businesses to look after their kids so they have the right to have them educated in whatever religion they want
[quote]Family day care workers will also have to perform criminal checks on neighbours, friends or relatives who regularly visit their homes while children are present. [/quote]
[B]WOW[/B]
[QUOTE=Thebumb;28983031]Bible bashers piss me off so that makes us even. :buddy:[/QUOTE]I think you meant bible thumpers, bible bashers would be another term for militant atheist.
[QUOTE=Kalibos;28983062]I knnewww there'd be these replies
look I'm atheist too and I don't approve of religious activities in publicly funded institutions but we're talking about daycare here, not public school. people are paying private businesses to look after their kids so they have the right to have them educated in whatever religion they want
[B]WOW[/B][/QUOTE]
In response to your first statement:
So you're fine with (For example) raising the kids into some random blood-thirsty cult, just because they're not publicly funded?
For a lot of people, there is only 1 day care they can go to, either because of monetary reasons, or distance.
This means there is no alternative, thus they're forced to send their children to be indoctrinated in something they don't agree with, and that could very well be harmful to the development of the child.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28983098]I think you meant bible thumpers, bible bashers would be another term for militant atheist.[/QUOTE]
Bible basher = bible thumper
I don't see what's wrong with not allowing a daycare to make religious activities compulsory, it should always be optional. That being said, easter egg hunts and decorating Christmas trees have long since lost their religious significance amongst the general population. I certainly wasn't thinking of Jesus when I went easter egg hunting with my class in 2nd grade.
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[QUOTE=Doozle;28983132]Bible basher = bible thumper[/QUOTE]Nonono, bible bashing implies bashing the bible i.e. ripping into it, calling it shit etc. For example, you wouldn't say a religion basher is someone who is strongly pro-religion, right?
Bible thumping is the term for e.g. your average crazy American evangelical; in the same way a gorilla thumps their chest, they thump the Bible.
The discipline part is insanely stupid. Children already seem to be lacking more and more discipline as they get older and most of this is because they never recognized that it's wrong because they weren't punished.
The religious part I understand a bit more but these religious events as said in the article as things like decorating Christmas Trees and Easter Egg hunts - any Christian could tell you that these aren't even related to Christianity. So their isn't really a problem and it isn't going to "indoctrinate" children.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28983135]I don't see what's wrong with not allowing a daycare to make religious activities compulsory, it should always be optional. That being said, easter egg hunts and decorating Christmas trees have long since lost their religious significance amongst the general population. I certainly wasn't thinking of Jesus when I went easter egg hunting with my class in 2nd grade.
[editline]4th April 2011[/editline]
Nonono, bible bashing implies bashing the bible i.e. ripping into it, calling it shit etc. For example, you wouldn't say a religion basher is someone who is strongly pro-religion, right?
Bible thumping is the term for e.g. your average crazy American evangelical; in the same way a gorilla thumps their chest, they thump the Bible.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Bible_basher][b]Noun[/b]
Bible basher (plural Bible bashers)
(UK, pejorative) A fundamentalist Christian preacher, who is seen to take every opportunity to talk about Christianity and convert those around them, especially against the other peoples' wills.[/url]
[QUOTE=Doozle;28983159][url=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Bible_basher][b]Noun[/b]
Bible basher (plural Bible bashers)
(UK, pejorative) A fundamentalist Christian preacher, who is seen to take every opportunity to talk about Christianity and convert those around them, especially against the other peoples' wills.[/url][/QUOTE]Huh, unusual. I've always heard the term used in the manner I described, even in the UK V:smile:V
EDIT: Doesn't really make sense to me, i've always thought that to bash something was to express a severely negative opinion of something. Oh well.
So they'd rather let kid's who do stuff wrong not be punished for it? wow im sure they'll grow up to be valuable members of society.......( maybe politicians since they get away with everything nowadays )
[QUOTE=Doozle;28983022]I don't think there's anything wrong with religious activities in school.
Militant atheists piss me off.[/QUOTE]
Why is it militant to not want religion forced onto children against the will of the parent
I'm not entirely convinced that "militant atheists" even exist in the way religious people think of them, atheists can't be outspoken without being called "militant" these days
[editline]4th April 2011[/editline]
By the way, a "time out" is essentially a way of admitting that you're not capable of disciplining a child properly so I agree with this ruling entirely
Australia, home of Prohibition.
I'm ok with the secularism, but how is time-out "inappropriate discipline"?
It just means you sit in a chair at the back corner of a room for being misbehaved.
Important to read the wording here very carefully. They are not allowed to [B]force[/B] the kids they care for to do religious activities. They can give the children the option to participate, but they must provide alternative activities. I suspect they just won't do any religious activities at all though, which is kind of sad.
Christmas is less a religious thing and more a cultural one here in Canada. There are still lots of people who celebrate for religious reasons, but there are also many atheists who partake because the idea of a time of giving appeals to them. Plus the decorations are nice.
[QUOTE=Doozle;28983022]I don't think there's anything wrong with religious activities in school.
Militant atheists piss me off.[/QUOTE]
I think forcing students into religious activities is wrong. I also think failing to provide a decent alternative is wrong. However, this does not mean I think religious activities are wrong. Those who wish to participate should be welcome to do so. Those who don't can do something else.
In elementary school (primary school, whatever you want to call it) I had a teacher who would dress in the theme of various cultures/religions for their holidays, and she would bring in food she or a friend made, and she would teach us a bit about each of them. It was all optional of course, but I'd really like to see more of that.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;28984200]By the way, a "time out" is essentially a way of admitting that you're not capable of disciplining a child properly so I agree with this ruling entirely[/QUOTE]
Well what options do they have really? They can't slap the kid's ass and there isn't really anything they can take away from them without getting in trouble. Positive reinforcement is great, but it doesn't work on all kids.
[QUOTE=Doozle;28983022]I don't think there's anything wrong with religious activities in school.
Militant atheists piss me off.[/QUOTE]
Militant atheism is a fucking retarded term.
A militant theist kills people, oppresses women and destroys science.
A militant atheist argues aggressively against religion. Often confined to internet forums.
[quote]They could also be fined if children were required to take part in cultural activities such as Easter egg hunts or Christmas tree decorating. [/quote]
but kids enjoy these things?
Does anyone have a source saying that they will be fined, or is this all conjecture?
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Well what options do they have really? They can't slap the kid's ass and there isn't really anything they can take away from them without getting in trouble. Positive reinforcement is great, but it doesn't work on all kids.[/QUOTE]
If the kid isn't listening properly I think it's time to bring in the parents for a sit-down and tell them that if they don't teach their kids respect they should find a different childcare centre.
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