Epic Feminist Fails of our time: 'Ban Bossy' - General

[video=youtube;VVKyesBzDAs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVKyesBzDAs[/video] [QUOTE]Ban Bossy was such a stupid idea that it's hard to accept it was the brainchild of a successful billionaire business woman. Then again, on the very day I put this up, Donald Trump, an even more successful billionaire business man tweeted this: "Healthy young child goes to the doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM" Sad really that it came in the same week it was found that autism began long before birth. Sheryl Sandbergs Ted talk. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18uDutylDa4[/url]... Actually worth watching, in that she basically accepts that the different levels of men and women in leadership roles is in large part due to the sexual dimorphic changes taken by those in leadership. Many thanks to those who supported this channel through Patreon: [url]http://www.patreon.com/Thunderf00t[/url][/QUOTE]

The ted talk in question [video=youtube;18uDutylDa4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18uDutylDa4[/video]

Ban bossy was stupid but he made so many strawmen about it that it's not even funny. That thing was aimed at schools and against kids using the word not about banning the word altogether. He talks how women at the beginning of their careers choose children over work, but then talks about sexual dimorphism of kids in school? What? Little girls don't abandon their careers due to impending pregnancy and making plans for raising kids. And no it's not really sexual dimorphism that 90% of prison population consists of men. Remember the gender role which says that men should be aggressive while women shouldn't? That's the main reason.

epic facepalm failure!!!

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44399197][video=youtube;VVKyesBzDAs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVKyesBzDAs[/video][/QUOTE] I like how easily you can tell it's another Thunderfoot video just by him using that image in the thumbnail yet again.

did thunderf00t even do his homework on the Sheryl Sandberg presentation?

When people try and tell me I can't do something just because they don't like it, I tend to do it, so expect me to be using the word bossy a lot more now. Like, anyone else remember when there was a bunch of people standing outside Chik-Fil-A protesting? I walked in that motherfucker and ate my sandwich like a pro.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;44406052]did thunderf00t even do his homework on the Sheryl Sandberg presentation?[/QUOTE] After I watched the ted talk, I really don't see how he thought she was talking about sexual dimorphism.

[QUOTE=gk99;44406203]When people try and tell me I can't do something just because they don't like it, I tend to do it, so expect me to be using the word bossy a lot more now. Like, anyone else remember when there was a bunch of people standing outside Chik-Fil-A protesting? I walked in that motherfucker and ate my sandwich like a pro.[/QUOTE] wow so not only are you a douche to people trying to create change for young women you like to completely trivialize the issue of homosexual rights!! great job! i'm sure everyone is very proud.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44406303]wow so not only are you a douche to people trying to create change for young women you like to completely trivialize the issue of homosexual rights!! great job! i'm sure everyone is very proud.[/QUOTE] Do you really think people using the word bossy makes any difference to women? That of all the issues contributing to it, something they were called as a child when being naughty is why they give up any aspirations? Even if you believe it makes a difference, it's a hard sell and just comes off as word police, so of course people won't take it seriously.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;44406357]Do you really think people using the word bossy makes any difference to women? That of all the issues contributing to it, something they were called as a child when being naughty is why they give up any aspirations? Even if you believe it makes a difference, it's a hard sell and just comes off as word police, so of course people won't take it seriously.[/QUOTE] no, i don't think being called bossy on it's own is enough to discourage women from taking leadership positions. i think when you combine it with the numerous other components of young development it has disastrous effects. like for instance all of the factors that have led to women not entering the high tech sector. the gendered implications of pushing women into liberal arts instead of into physics, engineering, business, economics. yknow, all those things that set you up to make money and place you into leadership positions. take a step back and look at the world and you'll start to see that it's not one big problem that's holding women back, it's lots of little problems that make up individual droplets of what amounts to an ocean. joking about rape and domestic abuse is one component. inordinately high perceptions of beauty thanks to the fashion industry is another. perceptions of female sexuality, purity and promiscuous is another. tying them to their biology is another. legislating away their rights to vacuum out cells from their uterus is another. letting them get off easy on rape charges because men want sex and because they're weak minded is another. punishing them for being raped is another. under representation in the political process is another. under representation in the legal process is another. under representation in the business sector is another. under representation in the banking sector is another. the pay gap in those respective industries is another. based upon what, precisely? you see, this is one small, itty bitty, tiny droplet. but it's a droplet that's at the very beginning of life - it's a droplet that tells people that they shouldn't take leadership positions in a way that men are permitted to. taken individually, people look at all of these issues and ask "why the fuck are these issues?" of course, that's fine. but once you look at the big picture, and start asking questions why the world is the way the world is - you start to see small parts - like this - that build up a culture that inherently places females at a disadvantage to males, and people who are perceived as women at a disadvantage to people that are perceived as men. i'm hardly the biggest feminist in the world, i don't care if people call people bitches or cunts or whatever, but i surely recognize the impact that those words have. i just realize that we have to take baby steps. those are words that people [I]CARE[/I] about using. if you can't give up using the word bossy for the sake of helping the status of women in the world, then there's a problem.

[QUOTE=gk99;44406203]When people try and tell me I can't do something just because they don't like it, I tend to do it, so expect me to be using the word bossy a lot more now. Like, anyone else remember when there was a bunch of people standing outside Chik-Fil-A protesting? I walked in that motherfucker and ate my sandwich like a pro.[/QUOTE] do you want a medal or a pat on the back? promoting how callous you are towards an important issue doesn't really say a lot of good things about you, including being overly selfish.

and the entire concept that thunderfoot is targeting, that this issue is in itself bossy and thus should be negated for that very nature is absolutely ridiculous. we're talking about [I]children[/I] here. anyone tell me that words didn't effect you when you were a kid is lying. of course being called bossy hurt. being called a faggot hurt. it discouraged specific ways of acting as a child, regardless of sex. i was taught that crying was for girls and gays. if i wanted to be a man, well i should assert control over a situation, i should punch that kid in the head, i should be louder than everyone else. and i wasn't really judged for doing any of those things as a kid. you're judged for doing those things if you're a girl, or for being a boy who's subjected to that by a girl. whereas there's no shame in being "led" by a boy when you're a kid, if you're being "led" by a girl, you're a wimp.

[QUOTE=Viper202;44405530]I like how easily you can tell it's another Thunderfoot video just by him using that image in the thumbnail yet again.[/QUOTE] It could be an Amazing Atheist video. That women has become the face of irrational feminism but she kind of earned it.

I think most people in middle-school are rebellious, so really if you tell someone not to do something, they will do it anyway, and with greater motivation. I can see where they were trying to go with their campaign, but the way they went about promoting it is retarded and misleading.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44406431]no, i don't think being called bossy on it's own is enough to discourage women from taking leadership positions. i think when you combine it with the numerous other components of young development it has disastrous effects. like for instance all of the factors that have led to women not entering the high tech sector. the gendered implications of pushing women into liberal arts instead of into physics, engineering, business, economics. yknow, all those things that set you up to make money and place you into leadership positions. take a step back and look at the world and you'll start to see that it's not one big problem that's holding women back, it's lots of little problems that make up individual droplets of what amounts to an ocean. joking about rape and domestic abuse is one component. inordinately high perceptions of beauty thanks to the fashion industry is another. perceptions of female sexuality, purity and promiscuous is another. tying them to their biology is another. legislating away their rights to vacuum out cells from their uterus is another. letting them get off easy on rape charges because men want sex and because they're weak minded is another. punishing them for being raped is another. under representation in the political process is another. under representation in the legal process is another. under representation in the business sector is another. under representation in the banking sector is another. the pay gap in those respective industries is another. based upon what, precisely? you see, this is one small, itty bitty, tiny droplet. but it's a droplet that's at the very beginning of life - it's a droplet that tells people that they shouldn't take leadership positions in a way that men are permitted to. taken individually, people look at all of these issues and ask "why the fuck are these issues?" of course, that's fine. but once you look at the big picture, and start asking questions why the world is the way the world is - you start to see small parts - like this - that build up a culture that inherently places females at a disadvantage to males, and people who are perceived as women at a disadvantage to people that are perceived as men. i'm hardly the biggest feminist in the world, i don't care if people call people bitches or cunts or whatever, but i surely recognize the impact that those words have. i just realize that we have to take baby steps. those are words that people [I]CARE[/I] about using. if you can't give up using the word bossy for the sake of helping the status of women in the world, then there's a problem.[/QUOTE] A lovely speech and an even bigger can or worms, but the issue remains that complaining about use of the word bossy is one tiny part with minimal impact. And of all the issues which are obvious and real such as female sexuality or self-esteem, including ones related to women in leadership positions such as workplace perception, people pick on calling girls bossy. That's the impression people are given. Rather than something unambiguous that you can get people behind, they're given a tiny almost unrelated issue that reeks of political correctness. If you have to resort to saying it's for the welfare of women worldwide, you're not making your point very well. [QUOTE=BrickInHead;44406473]and the entire concept that thunderfoot is targeting, that this issue is in itself bossy and thus should be negated for that very nature is absolutely ridiculous. we're talking about [I]children[/I] here. anyone tell me that words didn't effect you when you were a kid is lying. of course being called bossy hurt. being called a faggot hurt. it discouraged specific ways of acting as a child, regardless of sex. i was taught that crying was for girls and gays. if i wanted to be a man, well i should assert control over a situation, i should punch that kid in the head, i should be louder than everyone else. and i wasn't really judged for doing any of those things as a kid. you're judged for doing those things if you're a girl, or for being a boy who's subjected to that by a girl. whereas there's no shame in being "led" by a boy when you're a kid, if you're being "led" by a girl, you're a wimp.[/QUOTE] What the fuck kind of childhood did you have if you were taught that being loud and aggressive was a good thing? If I demanded something when I was a kid then I got the same nothing as my sister. Seriously, is this entire thing under false assumptions about how people treat kids? Boys and girls acting bossy get called that and yelling is always frowned upon, so what the hell are you talking about?

[QUOTE=gk99;44406203]When people try and tell me I can't do something just because they don't like it, I tend to do it, so expect me to be using the word bossy a lot more now. Like, anyone else remember when there was a bunch of people standing outside Chik-Fil-A protesting? I walked in that motherfucker and ate my sandwich like a pro.[/QUOTE] fuck

[QUOTE=gk99;44406203]When people try and tell me I can't do something just because they don't like it, I tend to do it, so expect me to be using the word bossy a lot more now. Like, anyone else remember when there was a bunch of people standing outside Chik-Fil-A protesting? I walked in that motherfucker and ate my sandwich like a pro.[/QUOTE] you aren't allowed to stop posting

[QUOTE=Devodiere;44406555]A lovely speech and an even bigger can or worms, but the issue remains that complaining about use of the word bossy is one tiny part with minimal impact. And of all the issues which are obvious and real such as female sexuality or self-esteem, including ones related to women in leadership positions such as workplace perception, people pick on calling girls bossy. That's the impression people are given. Rather than something unambiguous that you can get people behind, they're given a tiny almost unrelated issue that reeks of political correctness. If you have to resort to saying it's for the welfare of women worldwide, you're not making your point very well.[/quote] here i'll avoid making a long annoying speech and just say it fucking straight then the alternative is that we put in quotas - that's attacking the problem RIGHT THERE. tell me how that would go over. there's no alternative, and there's no way to improve. shit, look at the bbc article that got posted in sh - the idea that minority quotas were placed in was seen as hugely destructive. if you want to fix the issue, how the hell do you do it? by attacking the roots of the problem, we change the culture and it happens on its own. we educate people not to be shitty to each other, and we'll change the way society works. [quote]What the fuck kind of childhood did you have if you were taught that being loud and aggressive was a good thing? If I demanded something when I was a kid then I got the same nothing as my sister. Seriously, is this entire thing under false assumptions about how people treat kids? Boys and girls acting bossy get called that and yelling is always frowned upon, so what the hell are you talking about?[/QUOTE] lmao i'm not talking about demanding something from adults i'm talking from other children expectations of child behavior link young girls as being indirect in their means of aggression, whereas young boys are to be more direct in their means of aggression aka, boys are expected to (and by extension, [I]are[/I]) more forward with their demands which are met moreso than girls.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44406677]here i'll avoid making a long annoying speech and just say it fucking straight then the alternative is that we put in quotas - that's attacking the problem RIGHT THERE. tell me how that would go over. there's no alternative, and there's no way to improve. shit, look at the bbc article that got posted in sh - the idea that minority quotas were placed in was seen as hugely destructive. if you want to fix the issue, how the hell do you do it? by attacking the roots of the problem, we change the culture and it happens on its own. we educate people not to be shitty to each other, and we'll change the way society works.[/quote] False dichotomy if there ever was one. What about mentoring programs, positive societal role models, a focus on higher education for women, childcare support to ease the burden of children, or how about just modifying culture at the adult level rather than thinking petty childhood behaviours influence our entire lives and are unchangeable? The best part is that for those solutions, the argument is on how to best implement them to be most effective rather than asking if changing childhood behaviours will have any impact at all. [quote]lmao i'm not talking about demanding something from adults i'm talking from other children expectations of child behavior link young girls as being indirect in their means of aggression, whereas young boys are to be more direct in their means of aggression aka, boys are expected to (and by extension, [I]are[/I]) more forward with their demands which are met moreso than girls.[/QUOTE] And you do realise that among boys, most forms of overt aggression are still discouraged. Even girls being more indirect by spreading rumours or whatever is frowned upon. It's baseless either way to think that boys get their demands met by being direct more than girls, or do you have anything beyond speculation to show it? But the real issue is do you think there is some reason beyond culture that boys are more direct than girls? Do you think if there was no gender difference among children then all problems would be solved? If so, the only response I can give is, prove it.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44406677]there's no alternative, and there's no way to improve. shit, look at the bbc article that got posted in sh - the idea that minority quotas were placed in was seen as hugely destructive. if you want to fix the issue, how the hell do you do it? by attacking the roots of the problem, we change the culture and it happens on its own. we educate people not to be shitty to each other, and we'll change the way society works.[/QUOTE] This is not how the world works.

[QUOTE=WhyNott;44409673]This is not how the world works.[/QUOTE] So cultural change is impossible then? I'm pretty sure the world can't work in any other way.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44406431] you see, this is one small, itty bitty, tiny droplet. but it's a droplet that's at the very beginning of life - it's a droplet that tells people that they shouldn't take leadership positions in a way that men are permitted to.[/QUOTE] Do you imagine an American flag behind you as you type that, because that has got to be one of the schmaltziest sentences I have ever heard. Banning the word bossy is like Kony 2012 in that it makes people feel like they are doing something incredibly important when they aren't.

Ban Bossy was probably the worst feminist movement recorded in a while. The trivialness of complaining about the word bossy just made women look weaker.