I don't understand what's with people trying to trample on people because of what they believe, and get all upset when someone says something bad about homosexuality or things of the kind. It makes them as hypocritical as a lot of Christians are. Why can't people just leave each other alone and stop being some kind of belief police?
And just for the record, I'm not against homosexuality.
[QUOTE=JumJum;34936757]I don't understand what's with people trying to trample on people because of what they believe, and get all upset when someone says something bad about homosexuality or things of the kind. It makes them as hypocritical as a lot of Christians are. Why can't people just leave each other alone and stop being some kind of belief police?
And just for the record, I'm not against homosexuality.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps if people stopped thinking that Christianity is the norm and Atheism isn't then we wouldn't be in this situation. He's displaying his belief on why Christianity is wrong (and uses many Biblical references and states EVERYTHING the Bible says) and isn't hating on the believers themselves.
This isn't trampling.
This is having a difference in opinion against what is considered the norm in American, if not the world's, society.
[editline]29th February 2012[/editline]
And I didn't know the lack of a belief in God and homosexuality is comparable.
You do seem to have a thing against homosexuality if you think that.
[QUOTE=Zally13;34936823]Perhaps if people stopped thinking that Christianity is the norm and Atheism isn't then we wouldn't be in this situation. He's displaying his belief on why Christianity is wrong (and uses many Biblical references and states EVERYTHING the Bible says) and isn't hating on the believers themselves.
This isn't trampling.
This is having a difference in opinion against what is considered the norm in American, if not the world's, society.
[editline]29th February 2012[/editline]
And I didn't know the lack of a belief in God and homosexuality is comparable.
You do seem to have a thing against homosexuality if you think that.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't specifically talking about the video, I was just reminded about some people tend to do this. And yes, I do believe that Christianity shouldn't be the norm neither should be any belief.
About the homosexuality and lack of belief in God, I was saying how one person might get mad at another for speaking against their beliefs, but at the same time speaking against the other person's belief. Both parties are in the wrong. (I probably should've have used a different example, as it has seemed to have made you think that I might have something against homosexuality when I don't)
My main point was that everyone should just accept what each other believes and get on with their lives, instead of just trying speak negatively about some religious belief or lack of religious belief.
[QUOTE=JumJum;34937091]My main point was that everyone should just accept what each other believes and get on with their lives, instead of just trying speak negatively about some religious belief or lack of religious belief.[/QUOTE]
Christianity doesn't do that, it's always trying to push itself onto others. Then we must push back.
[QUOTE=JumJum;34937091]I wasn't specifically talking about the video, I was just reminded about some people tend to do this. And yes, I do believe that Christianity shouldn't be the norm neither should be any belief.
About the homosexuality and lack of belief in God, I was saying how one person might get mad at another for speaking against their beliefs, but at the same time speaking against the other person's belief. Both parties are in the wrong. (I probably should've have used a different example, as it has seemed to have made you think that I might have something against homosexuality when I don't)
My main point was that everyone should just accept what each other believes and get on with their lives, instead of just trying speak negatively about some religious belief or lack of religious belief.[/QUOTE]
I don't completely agree with that.
I don't accept general Christianity because of its sexism and homophobia among with constant self-contradiction.
It's caused a stigma that has remained with people along with getting in the way of politics and science.
[editline]29th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Techno-Man;34937178]Christianity doesn't do that, it's always trying to push itself onto others. Then we must push back.[/QUOTE]
I would agree that Christianity teaches against those who do not believe it, yet the people themselves have the ability to refrain.
However if I believe that we should be against those who do not agree with us and discriminate against homosexuals, women, etc and not do it, is that completely alright? We're spreading the idea.
[QUOTE=Zally13;34937189]I would agree that Christianity teaches against those who do not believe it, yet the people themselves have the ability to refrain.
However if I believe that we should be against those who do not agree with us and discriminate against homosexuals, women, etc and not do it, is that completely alright? We're spreading the idea.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately not everyone refrains and as you said you see it interfering in Politics, Science and Education etc.
I wouldn't consider it "spreading the idea" when you're trying to undo what's interfering with your own life.
[QUOTE=JumJum;34937091]My main point was that everyone should just accept what each other believes and get on with their lives, instead of just trying speak negatively about some religious belief or lack of religious belief.[/QUOTE]
Well, the Christian religion doesnt promote such things as you do, and when that gets mixed up in politics and starts affecting my life I tend to not take it so lightly. :V
ac·tiv·ism/ˈaktəˌvizəm/
Noun:
The policy or action of using vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.
[QUOTE=zteven3000;34937584]Well, the Christian religion doesnt promote such things as you do, and when that gets mixed up in politics and starts affecting my life I tend to not take it so lightly.[/QUOTE]
You're right about this. Personal beliefs shouldn't be used to direct the country. A country should be directed for what's best for the people.
If people take attacks to their ideas as personal attacks to their self, thats their problem, not the one explaining why an idea is idiotic.
This isn't a conversion video. This is atheist masturbation material. This video won't really convince any christians to really question their beliefs, because the video in itself causes christians to justify their beliefs.
Effective secularization is done through a gentle hand. A christian must not perceive someone else telling them that god isn't real, they must believe that it was their own idea. That's the whole premise of influencing people, you make them believe that your idea was really their idea, and that is done through subtly creating an environment where questioning god is allowed and encouraged.
This is the society we are in now, which is why christianity and theism in general is fading while atheism rises.
[editline]1st March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mattk50;34937648]If people take attacks to their ideas as personal attacks to their self, thats their problem, not the one explaining why an idea is idiotic.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Telling someone that their idea is idiotic [I]always[/I] makes you look like a fool, and makes you wrong.
[editline]1st March 2012[/editline]
It is not the problem of the student that the teacher is an arrogant jackass.
[QUOTE=zteven3000;34937584]Well, the Christian religion doesnt promote such things as you do, and when that gets mixed up in politics and starts affecting my life I tend to not take it so lightly. :V
ac·tiv·ism/ˈaktəˌvizəm/
Noun:
The policy or action of using vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.[/QUOTE]
You act like Christianity is this progressive movement attacking anyone who stands in its way and aggressively spreading their influence using whatever tactics they can.
People like you should stick to real problems and not made up ones.
[editline]1st March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mattk50;34937648]If people take attacks to their ideas as personal attacks to their self, thats their problem, not the one explaining why an idea is idiotic.[/QUOTE]
If you attack someone's idea aggressively and relentlessly then they're going to take it personal. Anyone on earth would. Or have you forgotten what its like to interact with another human being?
I don't subscribe to any religion, but its not hard to see its purpose and to not attack people who believe in it. It played a necessary part in human history though it was both good and evil.
Yeah but god is too complicated for us to understand why he's done what he's done. We can't even begin to understand it.
-Christians
[QUOTE=Slight;34940111]You act like Christianity is this progressive movement attacking anyone who stands in its way and aggressively spreading their influence using whatever tactics they can.
People like you should stick to real problems and not made up ones.[/QUOTE]
Christianity is laced all over our current political system and if you want to tell me its not Ill politely disagree with your lousy assessment. If you're inferring that Im attacking the Christian religion itself its likely you came here looking to pick a fight and tore my post out of proportion. I was making a statement about how I dislike the fact that I can be at home, enjoying a bagel for breakfast, about to head out to work, and read an article that says something has been made illegal because a belief among a popular ideology has been pushed to such a length. Eg... Anti Gay perspectives, if you grow up in a society that is mainly Christian, you have the right to vote, and your bible identifies Homosexuality as an abomination (Leviticus 18:22) then you would have no problem with your state outlawing same sex marriage.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34939412]Not really. Telling someone that their idea is idiotic always makes you look like a fool, and makes you wrong.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, people dont come to the conclusion that things are idiotic for no reason. Usually when someone thinks an idea is idiotic, its for a legitimate reason. Eg... Harmful Actions, Im not going to tell you jumping out of a plane without a parachute is a good idea. I can understand what you mean if the person telling you that your idea is dumb is regularly full of shit, but if you think the person is full of shit its probably not a bad idea to confront him about why he believes your idea is dumb. Have a conversation with him and evolve his views, your views or both of your views to a more tasteful standpoint.
Everyone needs to get over religion, race, and Political crap so we can all head out to outer space, I should be living on mars by now.
[QUOTE=omega322;34940945]Everyone needs to get over religion, race, and Political crap so we can all head out to outer space, I should be living on mars by now.[/QUOTE]
The more scientifically literate society is, the sooner we get there.
Where does the largest demographic of anti-intellectual/anti-science arise in the United States?
Christianity.
Don't be so ignorant of the world and how it works.
You want the ends; then justify the means.
[QUOTE=omega322;34940945]Everyone needs to get over religion, race, and Political crap so we can all head out to outer space, I should be living on mars by now.[/QUOTE]
This might be crazy, but I'd rather have an acceptably religious tolerance, lack of racism, and working political systems over living on mars.
[QUOTE=JumJum;34936757]I don't understand what's with people trying to trample on people because of what they believe, and get all upset when someone says something bad about homosexuality or things of the kind. It makes them as hypocritical as a lot of Christians are. Why can't people just leave each other alone and stop being some kind of belief police?
And just for the record, I'm not against homosexuality.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I don't understand what's with people trying to trample on people because of what they believe, and get all upset when someone says something bad about homosexuality or things of the kind. It makes them* as hypocritical as a lot of Christians are. Why can't people just leave each other alone and stop being some kind of belief police?
And just for the record, I'm not against homosexuality.
NovaBlue95 13 hours ago[/QUOTE]
great job A+ comment
[QUOTE=JumJum;34937091]I wasn't specifically talking about the video[/QUOTE]
yeah well if you weren't then why the hell would you post that ON THE VIDEO AND THE THREAD
[QUOTE=zteven3000;34940788]
I disagree, people dont come to the conclusion that things are idiotic for no reason. Usually when someone thinks an idea is idiotic, its for a legitimate reason. Eg... Harmful Actions, Im not going to tell you jumping out of a plane without a parachute is a good idea. I can understand what you mean if the person telling you that your idea is dumb is regularly full of shit, but if you think the person is full of shit its probably not a bad idea to confront him about why he believes your idea is dumb. Have a conversation with him and evolve his views, your views or both of your views to a more tasteful standpoint.[/QUOTE]
This is still the wrong way to go about it. It doesn't matter if you think you are right, you still end up looking like a fool or an asshole. No one wants to feel like their ideas were dictated by another person, they want to feel that the idea comes from them somehow.
Analyze the reason you became an atheist. I can't say for sure, but it's a pretty safe bet you will remember it in a fairly egotistical fashion, "I saw the light," "I analyzed the evidence and saw no god," "I realized christianity was bunk". What you won't find is "Richard Dawkins told me to be atheist".
Although direct confrontation of a person is seen as the most honest method of dealing with people, direct confrontation can often cause the person to begin justifying their own beliefs(because no one wants to hear that they are wrong). This makes their original idea even stronger in their mind.
[editline]1st March 2012[/editline]
Don't get me wrong, I think it's great to have these videos around. I think atheists should be able to see people speaking about atheist worldviews. It's comforting to know that there are other people like you out there, especially when you are a fairly small minority.
But this doesn't persuade. This is here for atheists, not for christians.
Then we need Inception, plant the ideas in their head.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34939412]Not really. Telling someone that their idea is idiotic [I]always[/I] makes you look like a fool, and makes you wrong.[/QUOTE]
Does this mean that if i say evolution is true and call you an idiot for disagreeing, then that means evolution is false? Not really, this is idiotic.
You called me a fool but sidestepped the specific word "idiotic" you goddamn hypocrite. Instead of attacking ideas you have managed to move onto ad hominem, good job, im sure this type of discussion will get us places.
Furthermore, I said explain why they are idiotic, not just telling people stuff is fucking stupid and leaving it there. That would be pretty meaningless. Your next post makes it sound otherwise, enjoy your idiotic inconsistent argument though.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;34960561]Does this mean that if i say evolution is true and call you an idiot for disagreeing, then that means evolution is false? Not really, this is idiotic. [/quote]
Objective truth doesn't matter when you are trying to communicate ideas to other people.
This post shows that you aren't interested in truth any more than a creationist.
You are interested in your own ego. You want to feel smarter and better than the people around you. That is the exact reason why you won't be able to convince other people anything else.
Came into the thread, not surprised what I read, well time to leave now, before people turn on the fans and start emptying their bowels.
No point in using advanced language like this if you are trying to appeal to Christians.
[QUOTE=PederPauline;34961937]No point in using advanced language like this if you are trying to appeal to Christians.[/QUOTE]
See what I mean.
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