Is fighting for a religion right? - General

[B]NOTE: This is a unstable subject, please do not flame or "mock" other religions. You can of course say that some people in that religion are stupid fanatics but if it's not necessary, don't. Happy debating everyone.[/B] Looking at the Israel Versus Palestine, should it be right to kill others in favor to your religion? Should a religion "be allowed" to spark a long term "disaster" like it did in the Middle East? Should you be able to stand up for your religion belief even if it's blasphemy for other religions? I think it's wrong for fanatics to kill other people because of their religion. It's even stated in most religions that "You shall not kill", so why kill others? Also saying that [B]"MOSES GAVE US THIS LAND, WE WANT IT NOW!"[/B] is not a proper way to "get" land that's now originally a part of Palestine. I also think that religions that "turn others" should be accused for blasphemy because some people are obviously cranking down other religions.

Fighting for religion is not right. Things should be worked out in a peaceful manner.

People can fight for whatever they think is worth their life, but somethimes they fight for completely useless and pointless things like religion

Is it right? No. It's just a couple of people fighting over who's invisible old guy in the sky is better. Is it gonna stop? Nope. Blowing each other up is the one thing Humanity does best, and the easiest way to get humanity into the "Explode thy neighbor" mindset is a difference of religion. This has been a driving force of clusterfucks since antiquity, and it continues to be one to this day.

Israel vs Palestine is a lot more complex than religion.

As a rule, people shouldn't fight for others. Every heard of "each to count for one, and none for more than one"?

It's not right to fight, period. So for religion, no.

If your religion has some tenet along the lines of "You should fight against injustice" or something like that, feel free to do so, but people can fight for that without religious motivation as well. But to be honest, most religious conflicts, like Israel and Palestine, or the Troubles in Northern Ireland, are a lot deeper than religion.

Fighting is stupid in general.

[QUOTE=Hiccuper;38569849]If your religion has some tenet along the lines of "You should fight against injustice" or something like that, feel free to do so, but people can fight for that without religious motivation as well. But to be honest, most religious conflicts, like Israel and Palestine, or the Troubles in Northern Ireland, are a lot deeper than religion.[/QUOTE] To fight against injustice sounds good but then again what if pearl harbor and 9/11 were just false flag attacks, you're not fighting an injustice, you're the bad guy, but everyone says shit like "this person is out risking their lives for YOUR freedom! What the fuck are you doing for the country?" bullshit propaganda. But then again, if they were false flag attacks.

What is right is all defined by your views on what is right and what is wrong. To one religion, fighting for your faith my be the most righteous thing to do and a worthy cause of death. Yet to another it seems like an offence worth punishment. Religion is what defines a man's moral compass, giving it rules to live by and guidance towards life. Fighting for a religion is as righteous to one man as spreading world peace is to another.

Fighting for anything and viewing it as just or unjust is completely in the 'eye of the beholder'. Fighting for a religion bears no fruit except turmoil, and as such is not profitable, although you may see it as just.

The only religion i deem as stupid is islam. As a person who's been punched in the throat for eating beef, i can safely say some of those muslims are fucking insane. Others can be fine, when they're not violently attacking you for disagreeing with them.

Well what if there's an oppressive government or force that hinders your practice of peaceful religious practices. Then it's right. It's fighting for your beliefs.

[QUOTE=wug;38573211]The only religion i deem as stupid is islam. As a person who's been punched in the throat for eating beef, i can safely say some of those muslims are fucking insane. Others can be fine, when they're not violently attacking you for disagreeing with them.[/QUOTE] Funny since all of the three major religions stem from the same thing.

[QUOTE=Hiccuper;38569849]If your religion has some tenet along the lines of "You should fight against injustice" or something like that, feel free to do so, but people can fight for that without religious motivation as well. But to be honest, most religious conflicts, like Israel and Palestine, or the Troubles in Northern Ireland, are a lot deeper than religion.[/QUOTE] Of course, it's more then just the religion. But we sort of blame it on religion. But the fact that so many people are against different beliefs and "laws". (Not just wars, but fighting and making riots about stuff) Take the abortion problem in some southern states. Are they in the right if it's now allowed for them to tell atheist that they can't have an abortion? And nearly killing doctors that does this for a living? Helping some people that aren't ready to raise a kid?

[QUOTE=wug;38573211]The only religion i deem as stupid is islam. As a person who's been punched in the throat for eating beef, i can safely say some of those muslims are fucking insane. Others can be fine, when they're not violently attacking you for disagreeing with them.[/QUOTE] ...you do realize that Islam is not the reason that lunatic punched you in the throat because you nom beef, right?

[QUOTE=MCCCXXXIII;38570244]To fight against injustice sounds good but then again what if pearl harbor and 9/11 were just false flag attacks, you're not fighting an injustice, you're the bad guy, but everyone says shit like "this person is out risking their lives for YOUR freedom! What the fuck are you doing for the country?" bullshit propaganda. But then again, if they were false flag attacks.[/QUOTE] But then it's the fighting in general that's unjustified, not the fighting for religion.

I think answer to this topic is rather obvious: No, fighting in general is really dumb, more so for religion.

Fighting for religion might be right, if you think about protecting the poor and weak ones or whatever. But people who kill others because of what they believe in or what their "god" tells them are just mentally ill and insanse in my opinion...

[QUOTE=TestECull;38573619]...you do realize that Islam is not the reason that lunatic punched you in the throat because you nom beef, right?[/QUOTE] Essentially this. Religion is oftentimes used as a justification for stupid people doing stupid things. Crusades were over resources, for example. Religion was just used to rally troops.

No, I think its stupid to fight over and for beliefs [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is not debating" - Megafan))[/highlight]

Yeah. Countries don't go to war with one another because of differentiating religions. Everything's about land, resources, past conflict, etc. Like Zally said, they just used religion as a means to enrich their powers. For example the conflicts in the Middle East are about resources and territory, religion is just a fuel for the opposing parties. War is always a bad thing no matter what, and we should do our best to avoid it.

Is it right no. Is it necessary yes. Religion helps everyone in unique ways (i personally think its a load of baloney). For example in poor places Religion gives people hope, they believe if they do good they can become something or someone (ex receive awards in afterlife) many other examples but its mainly afterlife. But now when two people disagree they fight, how else could they resolve (their) problems. Do you really think if i hated cheese and you loved cheese you would persuade me to eat it, of course not. But if you rammed it down my throat, I can't stop you can I?

[QUOTE]It's not right to fight, period. So for religion, no.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Fighting is stupid in general.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I think answer to this topic is rather obvious: No, fighting in general is really dumb, more so for religion.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]No, I think its stupid to fight over and for beliefs[/QUOTE] Why is fighting "stupid in general"? isn't there anything we should fight for at all? Also, yes, Israel vs. Palestine is not just about religion, but about territory, resources, culture in general, etc. so it shouldn't be used as an example in this thread.

[QUOTE=Zally13;38567485]Israel vs Palestine is a lot more complex than religion.[/QUOTE] That's UN's fault, they just blame it on Jew V. Muslim. As a people, we will always fight, religion almost never matters. Abolish it, and all you've got is people fighting over political beliefs, territory, economy, and resources. Religion is almost exempt from warfare besides symbolism, and I'm pretty sure most of Facepunch hasn't seen a day in combat to disprove me.

[QUOTE=matsta;38583557]Why is fighting "stupid in general"? isn't there anything we should fight for at all?[/QUOTE] Physically, no.

Fighting is acceptable is there is no peaceful method. Cause for fighting is another story. [QUOTE=wug;38573211]The only religion i deem as stupid is islam. As a person who's been punched in the throat for eating beef, i can safely say some of those muslims are fucking insane. Others can be fine, when they're not violently attacking you for disagreeing with them.[/QUOTE] What? Islam doesnt have a problem with beef (I assume pig is not considered beef). Still, no one will punch you for consuming pork, esp if your not a muslim.

[QUOTE=C47;38584924]Fighting is acceptable is there is no peaceful method. Cause for fighting is another story. What? Islam doesnt have a problem with beef (I assume pig is not considered beef). Still, no one will punch you for consuming pork, esp if your not a muslim.[/QUOTE] Muslim and islam are the same i think, i don't know the difference between beef\pork, and that person i think was a bit nutty anyway.

No it is not right to fight for religion. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is not debating" - Megafan))[/highlight]