• NASA boycott over ban on Chinese nationals
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[IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/10/5/1380931310354/nasa-faces-backlash-from--008.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE] Nasa is facing an extraordinary backlash from US researchers after it emerged that the space agency has banned Chinese scientists, including those working at US institutions, from a conference on grounds of national security. Nasa officials rejected applications from Chinese nationals who hoped to attend the meeting at the agency's Ames research centre in California next month citing a law, passed in March, which prohibits anyone from China setting foot in a Nasa building. The law is part of a broad and aggressive move initiated by congressman Frank Wolf, chair of the House appropriations committee, which has jurisdiction over Nasa. It aims to restrict the foreign nationals' access to Nasa facilities, ostensibly to counter espionage. [/QUOTE] Source: [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/05/us-scientists-boycott-nasa-china-ban"]The Guardian[/URL]
-edit- Nevermind, I see what the reason is, sort of stupid but oh well.
Well, It IS China. I think I'm ok with this, at-least for the cited security reasons.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;42413309]Don't understand why NASA would do this, doesn't seem like them at all..[/QUOTE] [quote]The law is part of a broad and aggressive move initiated by congressman Frank Wolf, chair of the House appropriations committee, which has jurisdiction over Nasa. It aims to restrict the foreign nationals' access to Nasa facilities, ostensibly to counter espionage.[/quote] Honestly this is just post cold war bull shit, if we worked together with the Chinese instead of banning them who knows what we could have accomplished. they built like 4 space stations within the past decade.
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;42413396]Honestly this is just post cold war bull shit, if we worked together with the Chinese instead of banning them who knows what we could have accomplished. they built like 4 space stations within the past decade.[/QUOTE] Don't get why they're doing stuff like that when the cold war is behind us, if that is one of their reasons. Working together is better when it comes to technology such as this.
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;42413396]Honestly this is just post cold war bull shit, if we worked together with the Chinese instead of banning them who knows what we could have accomplished. they built like 4 space stations within the past decade.[/QUOTE] Lets build space stations with the people who build shitty toys and make sulfurous dry-wall.
I think it's pretty shameful that a country like the US in the year 2013, has laws that literally prohibits individuals with certain nationality from entering NASA building. What's more preposterous is the fact that even scientists already hired by US institutions aren't allowed in either. [QUOTE]The conference is being held for US and international teams who work on Nasa's Kepler space telescope programme, which has been searching the cosmos for signs of planets beyond our solar system.[/QUOTE] What the "national security" deal even? Conferences exist, so that researchers can present and share their work to other researchers. Something is quite wrong when other scientists are prohibited from an otherwise open conference. Guess this is what happens when politicians gets their gross fingers into things.
It's a real shame. All this will achieve is slower progress for NASA.
What the [I]fuck[/I] would the Chinese steal from a NASA program today? A way to get a manned landing to Mars quicker? The planet's already red enough I don't think China wants it.
[quote]I think it's pretty shameful that a country like the US in the year 2013, has laws that literally prohibits individuals with certain nationality from entering NASA building.[/quote] Morally I can agree that it makes no sense to have such a ban but being Canadian we've seen entire companies get robbed blind of their technology by the chinese. Their industries often lack moral standards so even if we pull out the rug they'll take anything that isn't bolted down and we're forced to keep face because we're a trade partner and they have the ability to destroy our natural gas industry.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;42413588]Guess this is what happens when politicians gets their gross fingers into things.[/QUOTE] So why is it that politicians are able to do things like this and not address points such as this? I would really like to know.
Hah, this is kinda funny considering the fact that NASA is full of iranian and russian scientists (including the director of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory who is an iranian).
[QUOTE=aydin690;42413654]Hah, this is kinda funny considering the fact that NASA is full of iranian and russian scientists (including the director of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory who is an iranian).[/QUOTE] An even more funny fact is that one of the founders of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory was a Chinese citizen. Guess what happened? The US put him in house arrest and booted him out of the country because the government claimed he had "communist sympathies".
[QUOTE=Swebonny;42413703]An even more funny fact is that one of the founders of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory was a Chinese citizen. Guess what happened? The US put him in house arrest and booted him out of the country because the government claimed he had "communist sympathies".[/QUOTE] Source?
lol china could just hire an american scientist to steal the information if they really wanted to. banning chinese nationals is just some xenophobic bullshit.
Risk of spies.
[QUOTE=Banandana;42413711]Source?[/QUOTE] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qian_Xuesen[/URL] [editline]5th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=pentium;42413639]Morally I can agree that it makes no sense to have such a ban but being Canadian we've seen entire companies get robbed blind of their technology by the chinese. Their industries often lack moral standards so even if we pull out the rug they'll take anything that isn't bolted down and we're forced to keep face because we're a trade partner and they have the ability to destroy our natural gas industry.[/QUOTE] I think there's a difference between what's going on in the world of business and in science. The thing here is that scientists are prevented from entering a conference, who's whole point is to allow scientists to share information with each other. I do understand the scare since China does steal technology. But issuing [B]blanket ban[/B] on Chinese scientists, even those with ties to US Institutions? Why not just prevent them from accessing meetings with more sensitive topics? This causes more problems than it solve in my eyes and it's quite an overreaction.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;42413770][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qian_Xuesen[/URL] [editline]5th October 2013[/editline] I think there's a difference between what's going on in the world of business and in science. The thing here is that scientists are prevented from entering a conference, who's whole point is to allow scientists to share information with each other. I do understand the scare since China does steal technology. But issuing [B]blanket ban[/B] on Chinese scientists, even those with ties to US Institutions? Why not just prevent them from accessing meetings with more sensitive topics? This causes more problems than it solve in my eyes and it's quite an overreaction.[/QUOTE] Actually, thats how we ran off with half our stolen inventions from the British that started our own Industiral Revolution :V
[QUOTE=Swebonny;42413770][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qian_Xuesen[/URL] [editline]5th October 2013[/editline] I think there's a difference between what's going on in the world of business and in science. The thing here is that scientists are prevented from entering a conference, who's whole point is to allow scientists to share information with each other. I do understand the scare since China does steal technology. But issuing [B]blanket ban[/B] on Chinese scientists, even those with ties to US Institutions? Why not just prevent them from accessing meetings with more sensitive topics? This causes more problems than it solve in my eyes and it's quite an overreaction.[/QUOTE] even having a ban on more extensive topics wouldn't really be effective. china doesn't just send off their scientists to go spy and come back. it's way too obvious and easy to detect. generally you use sympathizers and/or pay people of questionable loyalty to steal secrets for you. instead of trying to ban nationals you need to actually use your brains. this is just modern "yellow terror" bullshit.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42413723]lol china could just hire an american scientist to steal the information if they really wanted to. banning chinese nationals is just some xenophobic bullshit.[/QUOTE] honestly if i were a scientist I would do it if China was paying well enough. I mean fuck, maybe they'll actually [B]do something[/B] with that information instead of sitting on their asses like us
NASA has been in charge of deploying sensitive top secret military equipment in the past, though this is excessive. The most recent case being that mini shuttle the Airforce runs, it was a joint project until the airforce decided to take all of NASA's funding and cut them from the project.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;42413505]Lets build space stations with the people who build shitty toys and make sulfurous dry-wall.[/QUOTE] Casual racism~
[QUOTE=glitchvid;42413311]Well, It IS China. I think I'm ok with this, at-least for the cited security reasons.[/QUOTE] Those reasons are bullshit. Who said a Chinese spy has to be Chinese?
[QUOTE=Rocko's;42413418]Don't get why they're doing stuff like that when the cold war is behind us, if that is one of their reasons. Working together is better when it comes to technology such as this.[/QUOTE] Competition and national prestige drives space exploration. Look at how the space race started. The cold war may be behind us but China has stepped up as a world superpower to compete.
Well they just don't want chinese people to steel American cookies [IMG]http://goo.gl/Ou1SsM[/IMG]
co-operation please not competition, this is science
[QUOTE=Rexxasaurus;42413602]It's a real shame. All this will achieve is slower progress for NASA.[/QUOTE] Not like it matters at the moment, considering NASA is already pretty much in the toilet with the govt. shutdown.
NASA is no longer a beacon of hope in my books.
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;42417948]honestly if i were a scientist I would do it if China was paying well enough. I mean fuck, maybe they'll actually [B]do something[/B] with that information instead of sitting on their asses like us[/QUOTE] at this point it's most likely China will get to Mars/Explore the Solar/Star System before USA
Why the hell would they spy on a conference using someone identifiable as a chinese national and not someone who looks western?
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