Amnesty report: Israel unlawfully killed and tortured Palestinians - Polidicks

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/HYfqcyZ.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Israel engaged in extensive human rights violations in 2016, including detaining or continuing to imprison thousands of Palestinians without charges or trial, torturing many of those held in custody, promoting illegal settlements in the West Bank and severely hampering the movement of Palestinians, according to the Amnesty International Annual Report, published on Wednesday. The report found that among those tortured and detained under administrative orders were also children. Methods of torture included beatings, painful shackling and sleep deprivation. Among 110 Palestinians killed last year by Israeli forces, the report charged, some posed no threat to life and thus were shot unlawfully.[/QUOTE] Sources: [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4926123,00.html"]1[/URL], [URL="http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.773115"]2[/URL] and the [URL="https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/POL1048002017ENGLISH.PDF"]Amnesty report[/URL].

Israel is like the child of an abusive father but on a nationwide scale, not surprising.

Haaretz is a leftist circlejerk of a newspaper that's riding on its reputation from a few decades ago. Amnesty international has a known anti israel bias and ignores reality when it fits the situation. For example, the Gaza blockade. Israel ships tons of supplies to Gaza and the blockade is so that a terrorist group dedicating to genocide a whole religion will not have access to weapons that help them achieve their goals. Israel tried giving Hamas concrete for hospitals and homes, Hamas used it for tunnels to dig into Israel to carry out terror attacks. Also, notice how Israel covers 5 pages while Sudan has only 3 pages. Even the actual state of Palestine (Gaza + PLO controlled areas) has less coverage, even when they've actually done worse things than Israel.

And here come Svinnik, defending everything Israel does and justifying it and blaming Hamas. Oh and anyone who critizes Israel is Anti Israel and a terrorist supporter. Maybe you are the one who is ignoring reality because anything bad Israel does, does not exist and is a leftist lie in your mind. You keep preaching like a brainwashed person.

And what's going to be done about it? Nothing as usual?

[QUOTE=Bucketboy;51869749]And here come Svinnik, defending everything Israel does and justifying it and blaming Hamas. Oh and anyone who critizes Israel is Anti Israel and a terrorist supporter. Maybe you are the one who is ignoring reality because anything bad Israel does, does not exist and is a leftist lie in your mind. You keep preaching like a brainwashed person.[/QUOTE] Oh no, Israel does plenty of bad things. I've never called anyone who criticizes Israel a terrorist supporter and criticizing Israel is okay when it's valid. However, for things like what I pointed out in my original post, Hamas is absolutely to blame for.

And nothing will come out of it. The entire region is an eternal mess.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51869787]Oh no, Israel does plenty of bad things. I've never called anyone who criticizes Israel a terrorist supporter and criticizing Israel is okay when it's valid. However, for things like what I pointed out in my original post, Hamas is absolutely to blame for.[/QUOTE] Hamas is part of the problem and not [B]the[/B] problem.

[QUOTE=Bucketboy;51869914]Hamas is part of the problem and not [B]the[/B] problem.[/QUOTE] [B]The[/B] problem dates back to the early 1900s and even earlier when you consider the religious aspects of the conflict. I'm talking about a small segment of the whole issue. The entire conflict is nuanced and people who actually don't do research on it automatically assume that Israel is the big evil bad guy and while Israel + the terrorist organizations that became the IDF have done some bad things (Various massacres, Jewish terrorism pre 1948, Sabra and Shatila, abandoning Christian fighters in Lebanon that they swore to protect), the Palestinians have done much worse. For the Gaza blockade issue, if they didn't want to be blockaded by Israel, maybe don't elect a group that vowed to kill all Jews and destroy Israel? Hamas's intent is clear and there's no reason to allow your enemies to be able to have weapons, esp since Hamas rockets were much more dangerous pre iron dome.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51869710]Haaretz is a leftist circlejerk of a newspaper that's riding on its reputation from a few decades ago. Amnesty international has a known anti israel bias and ignores reality when it fits the situation. For example, the Gaza blockade. Israel ships tons of supplies to Gaza and the blockade is so that a terrorist group dedicating to genocide a whole religion will not have access to weapons that help them achieve their goals. Israel tried giving Hamas concrete for hospitals and homes, Hamas used it for tunnels to dig into Israel to carry out terror attacks. Also, notice how Israel covers 5 pages while Sudan has only 3 pages. Even the actual state of Palestine (Gaza + PLO controlled areas) has less coverage, even when they've actually done worse things than Israel.[/QUOTE] This is something to keep in mind. The decision comes down to supporting the only democracy in the middle east vs an entity that the US Gov't designates as a terrorist organization [I]Hint:[/I] Israel isn't the terrorist organization

Israel is literally the only nice country in the entire region. They're not great, but they're far nicer than their neighbours. You won't get executed for being gay, an atheist, an apostate or an adulterer in Israel. Can't say the same for the rest of the Middle East.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51869710]Haaretz is a leftist circlejerk of a newspaper that's riding on its reputation from a few decades ago. Amnesty international has a known anti israel bias and ignores reality when it fits the situation. For example, the Gaza blockade. Israel ships tons of supplies to Gaza and the blockade is so that a terrorist group dedicating to genocide a whole religion will not have access to weapons that help them achieve their goals. Israel tried giving Hamas concrete for hospitals and homes, Hamas used it for tunnels to dig into Israel to carry out terror attacks. Also, notice how Israel covers 5 pages while Sudan has only 3 pages. Even the actual state of Palestine (Gaza + PLO controlled areas) has less coverage, even when they've actually done worse things than Israel.[/QUOTE] So what other human rights ngo should i keep up with since this one is biased? [URL="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-24/israel-denies-human-rights-watch-access/8302388"]Human Rights Watch[/URL]? oh wait: [QUOTE=ABC]Israeli authorities have denied Human Rights Watch's work permit application for its Israel and the Palestinian territories director, saying the NGO is biased and "Falsely raising the banner of 'human rights'". The respected human rights NGO highlights alleged human rights and international law violations committed by all sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. "We hope the Israeli authorities will reverse this decision and allow both international and domestic human rights groups to work freely."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=download;51871234]Israel is literally the only nice country in the entire region. They're not great, but they're far nicer than their neighbours. You won't get executed for being gay, an atheist, an apostate or an adulterer in Israel. Can't say the same for the rest of the Middle East.[/QUOTE] Of course! As the only nation of expats with no arabic origin, they are always going to be superior to them surrounding sandniggers! Bless! This is you, buying into Israel's pinkwashing. Please tell me where else in the middle east I can find a country built on stolen land. Please point out the last time Lebanon took part in segregation & discrimination of one of its religious minorities. Fill me in on the last time someone got life for throwing a stone in Jordan. There is only one acceptable stance towards Israel and it is boycott.

[QUOTE=Scarabix;51872800]Of course! As the only nation of expats with no arabic origin, they are always going to be superior to them surrounding sandniggers! Bless! This is you, buying into Israel's pinkwashing. Please tell me where else in the middle east I can find a country built on stolen land. Please point out the last time Lebanon took part in segregation & discrimination of one of its religious minorities. Fill me in on the last time someone got life for throwing a stone in Jordan. There is only one acceptable stance towards Israel and it is boycott.[/QUOTE] What a deluded soul you are.

[QUOTE=Scarabix;51872800]Of course! As the only nation of expats with no arabic origin, they are always going to be superior to them surrounding sandniggers! Bless! This is you, buying into Israel's pinkwashing. Please tell me where else in the middle east I can find a country built on stolen land. Please point out the last time Lebanon took part in segregation & discrimination of one of its religious minorities. Fill me in on the last time someone got life for throwing a stone in Jordan. There is only one acceptable stance towards Israel and it is boycott.[/QUOTE] It happened 68 years ago. Most of the people living in Israel were born there. Your argument of stolen land would see large chunks of the planet's population expelled from where they have lived their entire lives. The rest is pretty minor compared to the atrocities that take place almost every day in the rest of the Middle East. What Israel does is small fry compared to the nations that [I]execute[/I] people for minor crimes routinely. I can find you a long list of people butchered if you really want. [editline]25th February 2017[/editline] Looking at your post history you come off as a far-left parody.

[QUOTE=Scarabix;51872800]Of course! As the only nation of expats with no arabic origin, they are always going to be superior to them surrounding sandniggers! Bless! This is you, buying into Israel's pinkwashing. Please tell me where else in the middle east I can find a country built on stolen land. Please point out the last time Lebanon took part in segregation & discrimination of one of its religious minorities. Fill me in on the last time someone got life for throwing a stone in Jordan. There is only one acceptable stance towards Israel and it is boycott.[/QUOTE] Stop listening to BDS and actually do some research, you're wrong on multiple points that it's clear that you don't know anything about the conflict. Israel's land pre 1967 is based off of the british occupation of Palestine, british abandoned it so Israelis claimed it. Blame the british for "stealing" land. Disputed land post 1967 was won fair and square through defensive warfare. I have no idea what you're talking about with Israel apparently discriminating against a religious minority. They're doing a pretty shit job of it since whenever I visit Israel, I almost always get waken up by Islamic prayers. Israel has the most religious freedom out of any country in the middle east with anyone being able to follow their own religion or lack of it. You use Lebanon as an example but you're clearly unaware that in Lebanon, you have to be part of a registered religion or else you can't marry, divorce, or inherit property. This means that Baha'is, Buddhists, Hindus, and some sects of Christians are unable to use rights that should belong to them. The maximum sentence for stone throwing is 20 years with a minimum sentence being 3 years. When Palestinians throw stones, they don't throw pebbles, they throw fist sized rocks or bigger and they often use slings which can and have injured and killed people. For example, on 5 June 2001, Yehuda Shoham, a 5-month-old baby, was killed when a rock hurled by stone-throwing Palestinians crashed through the window of the car he was riding in, crushing his skull. There's multiple cases of people being severely injured or killed, the stone throwers should absolutely be punished.

[QUOTE=RocketSnail;51870018]This is something to keep in mind. The decision comes down to supporting the only democracy in the middle east vs an entity that the US Gov't designates as a terrorist organization [I]Hint:[/I] Israel isn't the terrorist organization[/QUOTE] Supporting a terrorist organization is definitely not right, but is it right to support a nation that constantly antagonizes another population to become terrorists? Maybe it isn't as simple as you make it seem

Am I missing something or is this just a bunch of accusations with not a shred of actual evidence being presented? The report makes a huge claim and backs it up with one or two anecdotes that aren't sourced at all.

Is it not possible that perhaps [i]both[/I] sides of this argument are to blame? I mean jfc Israel/Israelis have been responsible for handling issues in a heavy-handed manner and being cunts about it, such as demolishing homes, settlers being cunts and provoking/attacking Palestinians (as in the [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack"]Duma arson attack[/URL]) and getting civvies killed in collateral damage on the Gaza Strip, but at the end of the day it's not as if they are the only ones pulling dumb shit and in some cases were provoked (in regards to military action, anyway). Hamas for instance is a bloody cancer that all parties, both Palestinian and Israeli, would be better off without and there've been plenty enough instances of aggression/cuntish against Israel that have been unnecessary. You get shit like Hamas digging tunnels to Israel for the purpose of facilitating terrorism, using concrete intended for the building of schools and hospitals, using civvies as human shields and obviously individual attacks on Israelis such as the [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_attack"]Itamar massacre[/URL] (which saw a family of five murdered, including an infant who was decapitated) or even just antagonism towards Israelis such as the Egyptian judoka who wouldn't shake hands with an Israeli opponent for fear of political reprisal. Hatred just breeds hatred.

Pretending Israel or any country for that matter is the 'Good Guy',in the M.E, or trying to simplify the conflict is an extremely flawed way at look at it. Given Israel's past actions and the fact the report comes from amnesty it wouldn't surprise me if it's true, or more likely that the administration turns a blind eye. Also calling it the 'Only nice nation' there is pretty daft when Lebanon and others exist.

[QUOTE=Sumap;51873986]Pretending Israel or any country for that matter is the 'Good Guy',in the M.E, or trying to simplify the conflict is an extremely flawed way at look at it. Given Israel's past actions and the fact the report comes from amnesty it wouldn't surprise me if it's true, or more likely that the administration turns a blind eye. Also calling it the 'Only nice nation' there is pretty daft when Lebanon and others exist.[/QUOTE] I wonder if what Israel does is all that bad when it comes to torture in particular. US has done and most likely still does a lot of horrific offshore torture stuff.

[QUOTE=Sumap;51873986]Pretending Israel or any country for that matter is the 'Good Guy',in the M.E, or trying to simplify the conflict is an extremely flawed way at look at it. Given Israel's past actions and the fact the report comes from amnesty it wouldn't surprise me if it's true, or more likely that the administration turns a blind eye. Also calling it the 'Only nice nation' there is pretty daft when Lebanon and others exist.[/QUOTE] Lebanon is virtually controlled by Hezbollah, an Islamic terrorist organization. Regular trash pick ups aren't a thing in Lebanon, the streets are stuffed with starving refugees that the government doesn't take care of, and Hezbollah is not interested in building Lebanon up, instead focusing on helping Assad with the civil war and preparing for an upcoming war with Israel. Egypt is a nicer country than Lebanon.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51874081]Lebanon is virtually controlled by Hezbollah, an Islamic terrorist organization. Regular trash pick ups aren't a thing in Lebanon, the streets are stuffed with starving refugees that the government doesn't take care of, and Hezbollah is not interested in building Lebanon up, instead focusing on helping Assad with the civil war and preparing for an upcoming war with Israel. Egypt is a nicer country than Lebanon.[/QUOTE] Lebanon's not controlled by Hezbollah, but it is seen as a major force still mostly due to it being seen as some great revolutionary party that pushed back Israil during Grapes of wrath, and provided the majority of social services when they did. Nowadays since they've been seen as supporting Syria, the non-political party wing has lost quite a bit of power, and their political wing isn't very powerful anymore. The main thing that gives them power, is the fact that they have a large military force that could stand up to the government, which has trouble growing due to Israel not wanting to give them any power.

[QUOTE=Sumap;51874259]Lebanon's not controlled by Hezbollah, but it is seen as a major force still mostly due to it being seen as some great revolutionary party that pushed back Israil during Grapes of wrath, and provided the majority of social services when they did. Nowadays since they've been seen as supporting Syria, the non-political party wing has lost quite a bit of power, and their political wing isn't very powerful anymore. The main thing that gives them power, is the fact that they have a large military force that could stand up to the government, which has trouble growing due to Israel not wanting to give them any power.[/QUOTE] Hezbollah still has the power to veto any cabinet decisions though, that's considerable political strength though. Besides, they are still a major threat because of their fanaticism against Israel.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51874308]Hezbollah still has the power to veto any cabinet decisions though, that's considerable political strength though. Besides, they are still a major threat because of their fanaticism against Israel.[/QUOTE] Even so, this justifies war crimes how?

[QUOTE=download;51871234]Israel is literally the only nice country in the entire region. They're not great, but they're far nicer than their neighbours. You won't get executed for being gay, an atheist, an apostate or an adulterer in Israel. Can't say the same for the rest of the Middle East.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan[/url] Jordan is one of the most progressive countries in the Middle East. I'd much rather live there than Israel. Not every country in the Middle East is an oppressive shithole. I'd recommend actually learning about the major countries in the region.

[QUOTE=SataniX;51874411]Even so, this justifies war crimes how?[/QUOTE] It doesn't but Israel commits less than any other middle eastern countries and punishes people who do end up committing actual war crime as shown by the punishment of Azaria

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51874422][url] Jordan is one of the most progressive countries in the Middle East. I'd much rather live there than Israel. [/QUOTE] Not that I disagree with you regarding Jordan, but what would lead you say that you would much rather live there than Israel?

[QUOTE=Bertie;51874465]Not that I disagree with you regarding Jordan, but what would lead you say that you would much rather live there than Israel?[/QUOTE] It scored the highest for Arab countries in the Human Freedom Index, it has a rich history, it's been undergoing political reform, and it's leader is much less corrupt than Netanyahu.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51874471]And this is relevant to a thread exclusively about Israelite war crimes how? If people are punished, how does torture in prisons, detention without arrest etc. still continue? What about :[/QUOTE] The complaint ended up being lodged and the police were shamed in the national media for it. [URL="http://www.timesofisrael.com/police-accused-of-ignoring-threats-to-man-who-filmed-hebron-shooting/"]http://www.timesofisrael.com/police-accused-of-ignoring-threats-to-man-who-filmed-hebron-shooting/[/URL] No defense for the detainment thing, Israel has a problem with holding people in prison without a stated charge. Even Jewish nationalists like Meir Kahane have been held without trial or charge for a long time. There's a limit of 6 months though but I agree that it's problematic.