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As reported by Russia Today
[QUOTE] One of the commanders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk Peoples Republic’s defense forces has been killed in an explosion after a bomb reportedly went off inside the elevator of the apartment building in eastern Ukraine.
The DNR’s ministry of defense confirmed the death of Arsen Pavlov, better known under the alias Motorola, who led one of the self-defense units resisting the Ukrainian government forces in the beginning of the conflict in Donbas.
According to preliminary data an improvised explosive device was planted inside or near the elevator in the house Pavlov lived in. His murder is being treated as a [I]“terrorist act”[/I] apparently conducted by Kiev’s forces, said the speaker of DNR parliament, Denis Pushilin.
The attack is a clear violation of the ceasefire in Donbass and an apparent [I]“declaration of war,”[/I] the head of the self-proclaimed republic, Aleksander Zakharchenko stated.
[I]“As I understand, [Ukrainian President] Petro Poroshenkoviolated the ceasefire and declared war on us,” [/I]Zakharchenko said.
The 33-year-old fought in the Battle of Ilovaisk in August 2014 and the Second Battle of Donetsk Airport, that same year and is considered to be a heroic figure in the self-proclaimed Republic.
He was placed under EU sanctions after Kiev opened a criminal case against him for fighting in eastern Ukraine.
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[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/362973-ukraine-motorola-bombing-donetsk/[/URL]
As Reported by Kyiv Post
[QUOTE]Russian mercenary Arseniy Pavlov, better known as Motorola, was killed in an explosion in Donetsk, several news agencies reported on Oct. 16. Police in the Kremlin-controlled area were reportedly looking for suspects in the killing.
Interfax News Agency, citing a source, said Pavlov was killed when an improvised explosive device detonated in the elevator of his apartment building. Other reports say the Kremlin-backed separatists blame Ukrainian officials for the blast. If his death is confirmed, he becomes the latest in a growing number of assassinations of separatist military leaders in the Donbas.
Pavlov was a war hero in the view of Russian President Vladimir Putin and a war criminal to Ukraine.
In an interview with the Kyiv Post on April 3, 2015, when asked about allegations that he had murdered Ukrainian prisoner of war Ihor Branovytsky in January, Pavlov admitted to killing 15 prisoners in a recorded interview. “I don’t give a f*** about what I am accused of, believe it or not. I shot 15 prisoners dead. I don’t give a f***. No comment. I kill if I want to. I don’t if I don’t,” he said.
[video=youtube;yXSctfYItaM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXSctfYItaM[/video]
Motorola, 33, was born in Russia’s Komi Republic and also reportedly used to live in Rostov-on-Don. Previously he had a blue-collar job and worked as a lifeguard.
Motorola’s experience fighting in Chechnya came in handy when Russia launched its war against Ukraine by seizing administrative buildings in Crimea in February 2014.
“I took a train and came here, I didn’t go into the details,” Motorola told Zavtra, commenting on his decision to come to Ukraine. “There are Russians here, that’s why I came. I’ve already said that, when Molotov cocktails started being thrown at the police on Maidan (during the 2013-14 EuroMaidan Revolution that ousted President Viktor Yanukovych), it became clear to me that it’s a war.”
He wore medals given by Russian President Vladimir Putin for the “return and protection of the (Crimean) peninsula,” according to footage broadcast by Russian television channel Rossiya-1.
The next step in Motorola’s career was Russian-backed unrest in Kharkiv – something that was portrayed by Kremlin propaganda as a grassroots uprising by locals but also turned out to be coordinated by Russians.
Motorola said in a YouTube video that he took part in clashes between pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian activists on March 14, 2014 in Kharkiv. Meanwhile, a YouTube video shows Motorola attending a pro-Russian rally in Kharkiv on March 16, 2014.
In April 2014, the Russian militant proceeded to fight in Donetsk Oblast’s Sloviansk after it was seized by Igor Strelkov, another Russian citizen and ex-officer of Russia’s Federal Security Service, the successor to the Soviet KGB. Following the withdrawal of Russians and their proxies from Sloviansk in July, Motorola was appointed by Kremlin-backed forces as the “people’s mayor” of Donetsk. His next mission was Illovaisk in Donetsk Oblast, where hundreds of Ukrainian troops were massacred after Russian regular troops invaded Ukraine in August.
Motorola’s ascendance continued at Donetsk Airport, where his Sparta Battalion played a major role in fighting and ultimately taking over what was left of the hollowed airport in January 2015.
Alexander Zakharchenko, the current leader of separatists forces in Donbas, accused Kyiv of breaking a ceasefire and threatened escalation in Donetsk.
“As I understand, Poroshenko declared war, so wait,” Zakharchenko was quoted as saying during the meeting with the journalists on Oct. 16, following the news on Motorola’s alleged killing.
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[URL]https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/russian-mercenary-arseniy-pavlov-war-crimes-suspect-known-motorola-reportedly-killed.html[/URL]
He was kinda famous for starring in a bunch of the DPR's videos posted on the internet. I'll always remember him for firing grenades at his own troops as a "prank"
[video=youtube;8SIoarndHIk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SIoarndHIk[/video]
The DPR speculates that a Ukrainian Sabotage/Recon unit planted that elevator bomb while Ukraine's Ministry of Internal Affairs claimed that they had nothing to do with it and that he was killed by rival militants.
Good riddance
I was just watching the Donetsk airport tour with him in it. That's kinda weird.
RIP I guess? I don't feel like the world has suffered any great loss.
should have stayed in the phone market
This was the guy who fired actual grenades at his own men?
What a fucked up guy.
Good. Hopefully the others will be eradicated soon as well.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51213608]Good riddance[/QUOTE]
The dude had a wife and a kid you know. You think they're saying "lol good riddance"? You think the men and women he commanded (disagree with them if you might, but it takes a brave motherfucker to see your friends and family constantly get killed by artillery and finally decide enough's enough, pick up and AK, and go fight) are saying that? You think the people in Donetsk who aren't currently being abused by Ukrainian neo-Nazis because his men were able to hold them at the airport are saying that? Have a fucking heart. He's not some ISIS piece of shit, he's a human being who fought for, as much as you don't want to hear it, a decent cause.
-snip, i'll be a vaugely non dickish human bean for once-
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213699]The dude had a wife and a kid you know. You think they're saying "lol good riddance"? You think the men and women he commanded (disagree with them if you might, but it takes a brave motherfucker to see you friends and family constantly get killed by artillery and finally decide enough's enough, pick up and AK, and go fight) are saying that? You think the people in Donetsk who aren't currently being abused by Ukrainian neo-Nazis because his men were able to hold them at the airport are saying that? Have a fucking heart. He's not some ISIS piece of shit, he's a human being who fought for, as much as you don't want to hear it, a decent cause.[/QUOTE]
He's a self admitted war criminal who executed 15 prisoners - or at least he said.
I'm sure many of the pro-russian rebels are good men. Doesn't sound like he was one of them.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;51213709]He's a self admitted war criminal who executed 15 prisoners - or at least he said.
I'm sure many of the pro-russian rebels are good men. Doesn't sound like he was one of them.[/QUOTE]
Did I say he was perfect? No. I'm just trying to shut up mr edgelord over here saying "good riddance" to the death of a human being.
[editline]16th October 2016[/editline]
Besides, nobody in a war is perfect. Even the fucking Canadian military committed [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair]terrible war crimes in Somalia[/url]
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213721]Did I say he was perfect? No. I'm just trying to shut up mr edgelord over here saying "good riddance" to the death of a human being.
[editline]16th October 2016[/editline]
Besides, nobody in a war is perfect. Even the fucking Canadian military committed [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair]terrible war crimes in Somalia[/url][/QUOTE]
Bizarre post
nobody's perfect, sometimes you just kill 15 unarmed prisoners. everyone makes mistakes
/s
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213699]The dude had a wife and a kid you know. You think they're saying "lol good riddance"? You think the men and women he commanded (disagree with them if you might, but it takes a brave motherfucker to see you friends and family constantly get killed by artillery and finally decide enough's enough, pick up and AK, and go fight) are saying that? You think the people in Donetsk who aren't currently being abused by Ukrainian neo-Nazis because his men were able to hold them at the airport are saying that? Have a fucking heart. He's not some ISIS piece of shit, he's a human being who fought for, as much as you don't want to hear it, a decent cause.[/QUOTE]
It's not a decent cause, and you immediately lost all credibility by calling it that. The rebels are fighting proxically for the Russians. The Ukrainian people do not want anything to do with Putin or his cronies, and they made that abundantly clear when they ousted Yanukovych in the first place, not to mention this war they're currently engaged in against the pro-Russian rebels.
He had a wife and a kid... so fucking what? The prisoners he bragged about executing had lives of their own-- they were people's sons, brothers, husbands, and fathers. Did he care? No, so there's no reason to feel any pity or mercy for him and his ilk. He deserved to die, the people who support him deserve to be killed too. And hopefully they are soon, because the sooner they go the sooner the conflict over there will end.
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[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213721][b]Did I say he was perfect? No. I'm just trying to shut up mr edgelord over here saying "good riddance" to the death of a human being.[/b]
[editline]16th October 2016[/editline]
Besides, nobody in a war is perfect. Even the fucking Canadian military committed [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair]terrible war crimes in Somalia[/url][/QUOTE]
Lmao, you were one of those people telling us not to celebrate the successful assassination of Osama bin Laden "because he was a human being too" weren't you?
[QUOTE=Govna;51213756]It's not a decent cause, and you immediately lost all credibility by calling it that. The rebels are fighting proxically for the Russians. The Ukrainian people do not want anything to do with Putin or his cronies, and they made that abundantly clear when they ousted Yanukovych in the first place, not to mention this war they're currently engaged in against the pro-Russian rebels.
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You're stretching the truth to your own biases there.
There is quite a significant base of pro-russian sentiment in Ukraine. Who exactly do you think these rebels are? lol
Its not quite as simple as you and many others here would like to make it out to be. It never is of course.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213721]Did I say he was perfect? No. I'm just trying to shut up mr edgelord over here saying "good riddance" to the death of a human being.
[editline]16th October 2016[/editline]
Besides, nobody in a war is perfect. Even the fucking Canadian military committed [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair]terrible war crimes in Somalia[/url][/QUOTE]
Lots of people committing war crimes is not an excuse to commit warcrimes.
[QUOTE=Govna;51213756]It's not a decent cause, and you immediately lost all credibility by calling it that. The rebels are fighting proxically for the Russians. The Ukrainian people do not want anything to do with Putin or his cronies, and they made that abundantly clear when they ousted Yanukovych in the first place, not to mention this war they're currently engaged in against the pro-Russian rebels.
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Please educate yourself about Ukraine. The people in western Ukraine wanted Yanukovich gone. The people in eastern Ukraine, in the previous election, voted for him in overwhelming numbers and wanted them him to stay. I'd hardly call that the majority of Ukrainian people wanting him gone when the vote between him and Tymoshenko was split pretty evenly.
[editline]16th October 2016[/editline]
And why should I feel sorry for the prisoners he executed? Maybe they were Ukrainian gun crews who shelled residential areas. Maybe they were Azov Battalion neo-Nazis. We'll never know. It's the same logic.
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[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213721]Did I say he was perfect? No. I'm just trying to shut up mr edgelord over here saying "good riddance" to the death of a human being.
[editline]16th October 2016[/editline]
Besides, nobody in a war is perfect. Even the fucking Canadian military committed [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair]terrible war crimes in Somalia[/url][/QUOTE]
How about you cry for every fucking person that has died that isn't a war criminal.
Get off your fucking moral high horse you fucking massive pussy. Holy fucking shit.
K by guyz
fuck
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[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213780]And why should I feel sorry for the prisoners he executed? Maybe they were Ukrainian gun crews who shelled residential areas. Maybe they were Azov Battalion neo-Nazis. We'll never know. It's the same logic.[/QUOTE]
What are war crimes
He said "I don't give a fuck, I kill when I feel like killing." Do you think he bothered to single out the POWs who were suspected of war crimes or did he just grab the first 15 guys he saw and had them dragged off in front of a wall for him to shoot?
lol good riddance
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51213796]What are war crimes
He said "I don't give a fuck, I kill when I feel like killing." Do you think he bothered to single out the POWs who were suspected of war crimes or did he just grab the first 15 guys he saw and had them dragged off in front of a wall for him to shoot?[/QUOTE]
It's not hard to single out Nazis when they're wearing unit insignia and the Azov Battalion is pretty much all Nazis.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213780]
And why should I feel sorry for the prisoners he executed? Maybe they were Ukrainian gun crews who shelled residential areas. Maybe they were Azov Battalion neo-Nazis. We'll never know. It's the same logic.[/QUOTE]
what the fuck lmao
so you feel sorry for the self admitted war criminal who died but not about the 15 POWs who had "a wife and kids" too very likely because MAYBE..... MAYBE they were nazis!
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213699]He's not some ISIS piece of shit[/QUOTE]
wow that isis member has a family
have some decency
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There is quite a significant base of pro-russian sentiment in Ukraine. Who exactly do you think these rebels are? lol[/QUOTE]
Motorola himself was a literal Russian from Russia, for example. The man had nothing to do with Ukraine before the conflict started. A lot of these "rebels" are, especially the leadership
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213780]
And why should I feel sorry for the prisoners he executed? Maybe they were Ukrainian gun crews who shelled residential areas. Maybe they were Azov Battalion neo-Nazis. We'll never know. It's the same logic.[/QUOTE]
Cause fuck their wives and familes.
God you're a stupid shit.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213780]Please educate yourself about Ukraine. The people in western Ukraine wanted Yanukovich gone. The people in eastern Ukraine, in the previous election, voted for him in overwhelming numbers and wanted them him to stay. I'd hardly call that the majority of Ukrainian people wanting him gone when the vote between him and Tymoshenko was split pretty evenly.
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And why should I feel sorry for the prisoners he executed? Maybe they were Ukrainian gun crews who shelled residential areas. Maybe they were Azov Battalion neo-Nazis. We'll never know. It's the same logic.[/QUOTE]
I can't even begin to fathom the logic behind this post. This is filled with so much hypocrisy and retardation.
How is a war criminal more in the right than 15 prisoners who were executed by that fucking war criminal?
Something tells me you are extremely biased against Ukraine.
This isn't a guy that just happened to incidentally fire on some civilians or something by mistake, he took pleasure in torturing and murdering POW's. I don't approve of blowing people up in elevators but the world is better off.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;51213773]You're stretching the truth to your own biases there.
There is quite a significant base of pro-russian sentiment in Ukraine. Who exactly do you think these rebels are? lol
Its not quite as simple as you and many others here would like to make it out to be. It never is of course.[/QUOTE]
Pro-Russian sentiment in the Ukraine has been limited to the eastern provinces, which makes sense because they have had the closest ties to them historically. Donetsk and Luhansk of course border Russia. The Ukraine has a population of ~45.5 million people; Donetsk and Luhansk are tiny by comparison, both in terms of how much ground they actually cover as well as their populations (Donetsk has about 935,000 citizens-- maybe half of the province's overall population-- and Luhansk has maybe 1.4 million). In general, the Ukrainians do not like the Russians and do not want anything to do with the Russians. That's exactly why there's been the rise in nationalism that's been seen the last few years in the wake of this rebellion and the direct Russian invasion/annexation of the Crimea, and that's also why they got rid of Yanukovych to begin with in Euromaidan; [url=http://www.iri.org/sites/default/files/2014%20April%205%20IRI%20Public%20Opinion%20Survey%20of%20Ukraine,%20March%2014-26,%202014.pdf]the majority of Ukrainians wanted to align themselves towards the European Union[/url], Yanukovych and his supporters meanwhile wanted to align the country towards Putin and the Russians by aligning with their Customs Union. How many of these rebels do you think there are exactly, and how great is the degree of support they've received from the Russian government?
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213780]Please educate yourself about Ukraine. The people in western Ukraine wanted Yanukovich gone. The people in eastern Ukraine, in the previous election, voted for him in overwhelming numbers and wanted them him to stay. I'd hardly call that the majority of Ukrainian people wanting him gone when the vote between him and Tymoshenko was split pretty evenly.[/quote]
The solution to a democratic vote not going your way isn't to create an armed rebellion.
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And why should I feel sorry for the prisoners he executed? Maybe they were Ukrainian gun crews who shelled residential areas. Maybe they were Azov Battalion neo-Nazis. We'll never know. It's the same logic.[/QUOTE]
There's a massive difference between killing someone deep in enemy territory and killing someone who you safely have as a prisoner.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51213721]Did I say he was perfect? No. I'm just trying to shut up mr edgelord over here saying "good riddance" to the death of a human being.
[editline]16th October 2016[/editline]
Besides, nobody in a war is perfect. Even the fucking Canadian military committed [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair]terrible war crimes in Somalia[/url][/QUOTE]
"well i didn't say he was perfect" usually comes after you learn that someone holds some sketchy opinions, made dishonest or prejudiced statements, donated to questionable organizations, etc etc
it gets creepy and strangely dismissive in the context of learning that a guy straight up fucking executed 15 prisoners, especially in a post where you talk about the value of human life
[QUOTE=Govna;51213863]Pro-Russian sentiment in the Ukraine has been limited to the eastern provinces, which makes sense because they have had the closest ties to them historically. Donetsk and Luhansk of course border Russia. The Ukraine has a population of ~45.5 million people; Donetsk and Luhansk are tiny by comparison, both in terms of how much ground they actually cover as well as their populations (Donetsk has about 935,000 citizens-- maybe half of the province's overall population-- and Luhansk has maybe 1.4 million). In general, the Ukrainians do not like the Russians and do not want anything to do with the Russians. That's exactly why there's been the rise in nationalism that's been seen the last few years in the wake of this rebellion and the direct Russian invasion/annexation of the Crimea, and that's also why they got rid of Yanukovych to begin with in Euromaidan; the majority of Ukrainians wanted to align themselves towards the European Union, Yanukovych and his supporters meanwhile wanted to align the country towards Putin and the Russians by joining their Customs Union. How many of these rebels do you think there are exactly, and how great is the degree of support they've received from the Russian government?[/QUOTE]
The majority of Ukrainians actually voted for Yanukovich in the last presidential election before Maidan. 48.95% voted for Yanukovich, 45.47% voted for Tymoshenko.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_2010[/url]
As you can see from the map, Yanukovich wasn't only supported in Donetsk and Lugansk. He was even supported by the majority in Kharkiv, where most people speak Ukrainian and identify as ethnic Ukrainians. The militia wouldn't just be people from Donetsk and Lugansk. People from other regions of Ukraine may have traveled there to fight. I'm not denying the presence of Russian soldiers, but claiming the militia might actually be made up of very few locals is ludicrous.
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[QUOTE=DaMastez;51213866]The solution to a democratic vote not going your way isn't to create an armed rebellion.
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Maidan wasn't a democratic vote. Yanukovich was overthrown without anyone's consent, especially not his supporters.
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