[QUOTE]Bernie Sanders now tops Hillary Clinton in the race for the Democratic nomination.
The latest Fox News national poll finds 47 percent of Democratic primary voters now back the Vermont senator, up from 37 percent in January. Clinton gets 44 percent, down from 49 percent a month ago.
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This is the first time Sanders has been ahead of Clinton, who not long ago was regularly described as the “presumptive Democratic nominee.”
Clinton led Sanders in the Fox poll by as many as 46 points last summer, and had a 22-point lead as recently as two months ago.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/18/fox-news-poll-clinton-feels-bern-trails-sanders-by-three-points-nationally.html[/url]
Time to bern this country up!
He's got the upwards momentum he needs.
Probably the fact that people realized he has a shot at winning making them more likely to vote for him. Hillary's main points are not being Trump and being a woman, Sanders is an actual man with a plan that people agree with.
If it comes down to Trump Vs. Hillary, Trump has a real chance of victory. If it comes to Trump Vs. Bernie, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Hopefully this little bit of good news will help to actually push him even further in the polls, and sway super delegates who don't want to risk further alienating an increasingly disgruntled major portion of their voting base.
Too bad the DNC will nominate Clinton anyways.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49768704]Actually it's that mindset that'll get trump elected. Don't assume that if it comes down to trump v bernie that bernie would sweep it, bernie has a ton of young voter support, historically young voters don't actually come out and vote on election day if they don't feel like it's on the line, trumps voter base consists of old white people, a group that isn't going to miss election day even if it kills them.[/QUOTE]
Except that in every vote that Bernie has been in that he's rallied the young voter population to actually vote.
[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49768710]Too bad the DNC will nominate Clinton anyways.[/QUOTE]
Superdelegates aren't as powerful as the clickbait articles are making it seem. First of all, many of them will switch their votes if Bernie starts gaining momentum, they always do. not only that, there's a relatively small number of them in comparison to regular delegates. The DNC most likely won't have a choice.
Some people just want to watch the country Bern.
Others just want it to build walls.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49768704]Actually it's that mindset that'll get trump elected. Don't assume that if it comes down to trump v bernie that bernie would sweep it, bernie has a ton of young voter support, historically young voters don't actually come out and vote on election day if they don't feel like it's on the line, trumps voter base consists of old white people, a group that isn't going to miss election day even if it kills them.[/QUOTE]
Young voters don't vote because there's never been anyone to vote for. Young voters know better than any other demographic that voting in previous elections was pointless, if Clinton/McCain/Romney beat Obama, if Gore beat Bush, etc, it wouldn't have mattered, all politicians are the same, regardless of party affiliation, the only thing that matters is who pays their bills. Bernie though is the only candidate in forever that hasn't been bought by companies and Wall Street, which is why he's attracting young voters to the booths in droves, they finally have someone to vote for.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49768735]Young people are great at showing up and looking like they're going to do something, and then not fucking doing it. Getting comfy with the idea of bernie sweeping trump is the exact idea that will drive young people to say "oh, well others will show up and vote, so it's fine if I don't"[/QUOTE]
he had very good turnouts for the caucus and primary, i don't see how his numbers would fall during election day
One poll is one poll but the direction of travel is in Sanders' favour. I brushed off the results in Iowa and NH because those states are naturally pro-Sanders but if he actually wins in Nevada I will start to get excited
[QUOTE=smurfy;49768772]One poll is one poll but the direction of travel is in Sanders' favour. I brushed off the results in Iowa and NH because those states are naturally pro-Sanders but if he actually wins in Nevada I will start to get excited[/QUOTE]
Prepare to get excited, Smurfy.
About young voters;
No one thought we'd ever see young voters vote en masse, but the recent Canadian election brought out a lot of our young voters.
I imagine the USA will find the same thing on this election cycle. Young people stand to lose a lot of they don't vote this time, more so than in 20 years.
Don't get too excited, it's a single poll. [URL="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html#polls"]Of 3 others conducted within the last few days one had Clinton +2 and another +10[/URL]. With that being said if anything has become clear it's that Sanders is on the upswing, if you go back a few months he's cleaved her lead pretty hard.
The real rub will be if any of this translates to the primaries. National polling isn't always indicative of primary state success and Sanders is lagging in key states still. There's still a lot of time though after Super Tuesday to make some big gains.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49768826]
No one thought we'd ever see young voters vote en masse, but the recent Canadian election brought out a lot of our young voters.[/QUOTE]
Shame they voted for the wrong party.
I think the biggest player here is social media. Bernie fans just have to talk to people and link youtube clips of his great history or his website to get people aware about him.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49768883]Shame they voted for the wrong party.
I think the biggest player here is social media. Bernie fans just have to talk to people and link youtube clips of his great history or his website to get people aware about him.[/QUOTE]
The NDP wouldn't be as effective as you always say they would be but that's okay.
I'm not even a big Sanders guy but a Clinton loss is probably the best outcome of this election
error is +/- 3 points, so they're tied for any real comparison
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49768826]Young people stand to lose a lot of they don't vote this time, more so than in 20 years.[/QUOTE]
Yeah? Like what?
[QUOTE=Riller;49768677]Probably the fact that people realized he has a shot at winning making them more likely to vote for him. Hillary's main points are not being Trump and being a woman, Sanders is an actual man with a plan that people agree with.[/QUOTE]
NPR had a segment today explaining how that's not exactly the case.
To summarize, a lot of people don't believe Sanders' plans will work, let alone be implemented, but they find Hillary's plans even less feasible. It boils down to another year of "voting for the lesser evil" more than "voting for the person you want".
We're having early voting on our campus and a lot of people have turned out for it. Even people who don't go to school there.
It's pretty exciting to see! And I actually felt like my vote mattered this time around. Past elections have held absolutely nothing to benefit me. But this one feels important and makes me feel like I have a REASON to vote this time around.
I'm only hoping that others feel the same. I see plenty of people around here wearing Bernie shirts so I've got my fingers crossed.
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;49768744]Young voters don't vote because there's never been anyone to vote for. Young voters know better than any other demographic that voting in previous elections was pointless, if Clinton/McCain/Romney beat Obama, if Gore beat Bush, etc, it wouldn't have mattered, all politicians are the same, regardless of party affiliation, the only thing that matters is who pays their bills. Bernie though is the only candidate in forever that hasn't been bought by companies and Wall Street, which is why he's attracting young voters to the booths in droves, they finally have someone to vote for.[/QUOTE]
the hell are you talking about? young voters were one of the most instrumental voting blocs in 2008 and 12...?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49768782]Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one, and they all smell. They really aren't all the same in the slightest, and had anyone done any research they would have figured that out. People are attracted to bernie because he's "THE MOST DIFFERENT", you don't have to do any research to see how he's different, because he flat out tells you he's going to fight for you to get free shit, and reduced cost shit, and he's going to do it by attempting to unfuck the tax code, and no one really thinks about how the fact that congress is going to laugh at his face but whatever HE'S DIFFERENT BRO.
And to be perfectly clear, I support bernie in this election, I just refuse to be swept up in "feeling the bern".[/QUOTE]
People don't realize how oppositionaly defiant the house and Senate would be to Bernie if Obama is any indication.
[QUOTE=archangel125;49768682]If it comes down to Trump Vs. Hillary, Trump has a real chance of victory. If it comes to Trump Vs. Bernie, he doesn't have a leg to stand on.[/QUOTE]
I've heard the opposite of that from most people I've seen talking about it.
[QUOTE=Mark Unread;49769016]Yeah? Like what?[/QUOTE]
People my age(mid 20's) will never, ever see a dollar of pensions, or retirement funds. We have to budget that entirely to ourselves. Fine. We face a housing crisis of affordable housing. We face debt issues due to a broken education system and a manipulative finance system.
Then there's who ever becomes president is president at a very tumultuous time in history, any of the more right wing leaning candidates look like they're about to double down on the problems of the last 10 years. Even Hilary is looking that way.
WSJ still has Clinton at +10, but heavily decreasing.
[url]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-nbc-wsj-poll-219458#ixzz40ZZ8S3ek[/url]
[url]https://www.scribd.com/doc/299690763/NBCNews-WSJ-February-Poll?secret_password=Mf2CgQ8zDGpLW73pfCoJ[/url]
Honestly, even if Bernie doesn't manage to make all the changes that he's promising because of a Congress that'll try and take him down at any chance, at least he's starting the [I]conversation[/I] about these things. At least he's stirring shit up enough that it's going to be hard to ignore in upcoming presidential elections.
That's still better than us continuing on the same pathway we have been for decades. At least it seems that way to me. I'm tired of things being the way they are. At least now we're talking about change in an earnest way that is getting people to pay more attention to the bullshit that's been going on for ages.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49769246]People my age(mid 20's) will never, ever see a dollar of pensions, or retirement funds. We have to budget that entirely to ourselves. Fine. We face a housing crisis of affordable housing. We face debt issues due to a broken education system and a manipulative finance system.
Then there's who ever becomes president is president at a very tumultuous time in history, any of the more right wing leaning candidates look like they're about to double down on the problems of the last 10 years. Even Hilary is looking that way.[/QUOTE]
Retirement funds are on you, not the government. Pensions are on your employer, not the government. The US we have Social Security which everyone pays into, but many people entering the workforce now will never see.
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