Hamas finally takes responsibility of the murder of the 3 Israeli teens - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/In-first-Hamas-official-takes-credit-for-kidnap-and-murder-of-Israeli-teens-371703"]http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/In-first-Hamas-official-takes-credit-for-kidnap-and-murder-of-Israeli-teens-371703[/URL] [QUOTE]A senior Hamas official admitted for the first time on Wednesday that the organization's armed wing, the Kassam Brigades, was behind the kidnapping and murder of Israeli teens Nafatli Fraenkel, Gil-Ad Shaer and Eyal Yifrah in the West Bank in June. The Hamas official, Salah al-Aruri made the comments during a conference of Islamic clerics in Turkey. He praised the "heroic action of the Kassam Brigades who kidnapped three settlers in Hebron."[/QUOTE] Related video, in case you speak Arabic: [video=youtube;JpQB3boTEu8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpQB3boTEu8[/video]

Wasn't Facepunch convinced that Hamas wasn't responsible for a while? Oh wait, sorry, what I meant to say was: [I]Shill more, Zionazi![/I]

[QUOTE=Marceline;45752680]Wasn't Facepunch convinced that Hamas wasn't responsible for a while? Oh wait, sorry, what I meant to say was: [I]Shill more, Zionazi![/I][/QUOTE][I]No, a group of radical terrorists would never kidnap children! How immoral do you think they are!?[/I] I'm not sure why they're announcing it, though. Seems like a terrible PR move-- although it's probably better than Israel conducting investigation and collecting actual evidence of Hamas being behind it.

[QUOTE=Monkah;45752706] I'm not sure why they're announcing it, though. Seems like a terrible PR move-- although it's probably better than Israel conducting investigation and collecting actual evidence of Hamas being behind it.[/QUOTE] At this point they're trying to rally support to their cause, and the people they want have the ideology of "Any dead Israeli is better than a live one." Factually speaking, it doesn't matter if they did kidnap them or not. Odds are that we wont ever know if they [I]did[/I] to begin with. Fanaticism breeds fanaticism, sad to say.

Wait, didn't they say they weren't behind it?

I still don't think they kidnapped those kids, Hamas has [i]always[/i] immediately claimed responsibility for bad things happening to Israelis. They've even claimed responsibility for things other groups did, so why the fuck would they hesitate with this? That's entirely out of character for them, especially since they initially denied it.

What's the matter hamas to chicken to admit what you did 1 month ago?

[QUOTE=coldroll5;45754510]What's the matter hamas to chicken to admit what you did 1 month ago?[/QUOTE] One month, over a thousand dead, their stronghold in ruins, and tens of thousands of stockpiled rockets destroyed, ya they probably are trying to save face with their shadowey backers who want to know why they should keep cutting them checks, I mean they at least got those three Israeli boys right, that's worth the total loss in fighting strength and international credibility ( which they had very little of)

[QUOTE=Marceline;45752680]Wasn't Facepunch convinced that Hamas wasn't responsible for a while? Oh wait, sorry, what I meant to say was: [I]Shill more, Zionazi![/I][/QUOTE] It didn't fit their MO. When they take hostages, they boast loudly about it and ransom them for the return of their own prisoners. They don't just silently kill them and dump them in a ditch somewhere for the police to find. It still doesn't make sense. Guess that's terrorist logic for you.

[QUOTE=Marceline;45752680]Wasn't Facepunch convinced that Hamas wasn't responsible for a while? Oh wait, sorry, what I meant to say was: [I]Shill more, Zionazi![/I][/QUOTE] They said they didn't do it, and they'd usually make a big deal of taking Israelis hostage rather than murdering them. Forgive us for, you know, assuming the most likely path given the evidence.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;45756098]They said they didn't do it, and they'd usually make a big deal of taking Israeli's hostage rather than murdering them. Forgive us for, you know, assuming the most likely path given the evidence.[/QUOTE] That and there was an article suggesting that the IDF knew Hamas didn't kill them - I'm honestly a bit skeptic of a news source coming out of Israel anyhow, it's not like I wouldn't believe Hamas would do it but it's literally the worst possible source to get the news from. It's like believing RT on shit about Ukraine

Do we have anything more than a untranslated video in arabic?

[QUOTE=Gentry;45757619]Do we have anything more than a untranslated video in arabic?[/QUOTE] Well, if you don't trust JPost there's also [URL="http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.611676"]Haaretz[/URL], [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4561387,00.html"]YNet[/URL], and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_kidnapping_and_murder_of_Israeli_teenagers#Background"]Wikipedia[/URL] citing all three articles. Also [URL="https://news.yahoo.com/senior-hamas-official-says-group-abducted-israeli-teens-104952838.html"]Yahoo news[/URL] citing Reuters, and [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/hamas-israel-teens_n_5697372.html"]Huffington Post[/URL].

I'm more interested in what he's saying than disagreeing.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45757817]I'm more interested in what he's saying than disagreeing.[/QUOTE] According to Reuters: [QUOTE]"There was much speculation about this operation, some said it was a conspiracy," Saleh al-Arouri told delegates at the International Union of Islamic Scholars in Istanbul on Wednesday, according to a recording of the meeting posted online by organizers. "The popular will was exercised throughout our occupied land, and culminated in the heroic operation by the Qassam Brigades in imprisoning the three settlers in Hebron," he said, referring to Hamas's armed wing. "This was an operation from your brothers in Qassam undertaken to aid their brothers on hunger strike in (Israeli) prisons," he added.[/QUOTE] Subtitled video (hope it works): [video=youtube;EW9VT66ntMg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW9VT66ntMg&src_vid=JpQB3boTEu8&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_868451251[/video]

Three imprisoned settlers as bargaining chips doesn't quite sound like three murdered israeli teenagers though? Or did the deal fall through so they murdered them afterwards?

[QUOTE=Gentry;45757881]Three imprisoned settlers as bargaining chips doesn't quite sound like three murdered israeli teenagers though? Or did the deal fall through so they murdered them afterwards?[/QUOTE] I'm not aware of any other three Israelis Hamas holds or held recently. According the the police recording, the abductors shot the teens when one of them managed to call the police right after getting in the car. Knowing a manhunt for them was imminent, I guess they probably dumped the bodies and ran. Unfortunately it took authorities almost a day to figure out they were missing and it wasn't a prank call. Alternatively, the plan was always to kill them, hide the bodies and then bargain for them, but they weren't able to connect with Hamas leadership because of the arrests and the manhunt, so Israel was able to find the bodies on its own. In any case negotiations for the kids never started, because Hamas wouldn't admit to holding them.

[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45757928]In any case negotiations for the kids never started, because Hamas wouldn't admit to holding them.[/QUOTE] publicly at least

[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45757928]I'm not aware of any other three Israelis Hamas holds or held recently. According the the police recording, the abductors shot the teens when one of them managed to call the police right after getting in the car. Knowing a manhunt for them was imminent, I guess they probably dumped the bodies and ran. Unfortunately it took authorities almost a day to figure out they were missing and it wasn't a prank call. Alternatively, the plan was always to kill them, hide the bodies and then bargain for them, but they weren't able to connect with Hamas leadership because of the arrests and the manhunt, so Israel was able to find the bodies on its own. In any case negotiations for the kids never started, because Hamas wouldn't admit to holding them.[/QUOTE]This'd also explain why Hamas didn't use them in negotiations-- if they were killed upon calling the police.

[QUOTE=Marceline;45752680][I]Shill more, Zionazi![/I][/QUOTE] Oh my god [I]Zionazi[/I] is such a surreal term holy fuck. But anyway... It's great that they admitted it. Fucking bastards.

[QUOTE=Elspin;45756474]That and there was an article suggesting that the IDF knew Hamas didn't kill them - I'm honestly a bit skeptic of a news source coming out of Israel anyhow, it's not like I wouldn't believe Hamas would do it but it's literally the worst possible source to get the news from. It's like believing RT on shit about Ukraine[/QUOTE]If you have a problem with the source, just Google it. You'll find plenty.

[QUOTE=Monkah;45763697]If you have a problem with the source, just Google it. You'll find plenty.[/QUOTE] No real major western news has reported this afaik. I can only see the same story copied over lesser israeli websites. Not that I don't think this is true - I just wonder why.

[QUOTE=Gentry;45763705]No real major western news has reported this afaik. I can only see the same story copied over lesser israeli websites. [/QUOTE] Except for [URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/21/us-mideast-gaza-kidnapping-idUSKBN0GL0YQ20140821"]Reuters[/URL], and [URL="http://www.newsweek.com/senior-hamas-official-claims-organisation-responsible-kidnapping-israeli-teenagers-266070?piano_t=1"]all[/URL] [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/senior-hamas-official-says-group-abducted-israeli-teens-104952838.html"]the[/URL] [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-hamas-official-admits-organisation-was-behind-kidnapping-of-teenagers-9682299.html"]news[/URL] [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/21/hamas-israel-teens_n_5697372.html"]sites[/URL] [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/hamas-kidnapping-three-israeli-teenagers-saleh-al-arouri-qassam-brigades"]quoting[/URL] Reuters, like the ones I quoted above. Are you doing this on purpose?

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;45753759]I still don't think they kidnapped those kids, Hamas has [i]always[/i] immediately claimed responsibility for bad things happening to Israelis. They've even claimed responsibility for things other groups did, so why the fuck would they hesitate with this? That's entirely out of character for them, especially since they initially denied it.[/QUOTE] There's plenty of ways this could happen. One of the teens did call the police. Maybe they noticed it and shot him. Maybe one of them started struggling and got shot, so they decided to ditch them. Maybe a gun went off and killed one accidentally, and they decided to dump them and bail.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;45767219]There's plenty of ways this could happen. One of the teens did call the police. Maybe they noticed it and shot him. Maybe one of them started struggling and got shot, so they decided to ditch them. Maybe a gun went off and killed one accidentally, and they decided to dump them and bail.[/QUOTE]I think the former is the most likely-- killing them for trying to call the police. If they're Israeli teenagers, they probably have cellphones.

[QUOTE=Monkah;45770952]I think the former is the most likely-- killing them for trying to call the police. If they're Israeli teenagers, they probably have cellphones.[/QUOTE] To clarify: the recording of the call made by one of the kids to the police shorty after they got in the cart was leaked, and played repeatedly in the Israeli media. See here: [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/03/chilling-recording-reveals-abductors-of-killed-israeli-teens-singing-and-cheering-after-capture/"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/03/chilling-recording-reveals-abductors-of-killed-israeli-teens-singing-and-cheering-after-capture/[/URL]