Male and Female brains wired differently, scans reveal. - Polidicks

[quote]Maps of neural circuitry show women's brains are designed for social skills and memory, men's for perception and co-ordination [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently"] [IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/12/2/1386013101994/Men-women-brains-008.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Neural map of a typical man's brain. Photograph: National Academy of Sciences/PA Scientists have drawn on nearly 1,000 brain scans to confirm what many had surely concluded long ago: that stark differences exist in the wiring of male and female brains. Maps of neural circuitry showed that on average women's brains were highly connected across the left and right hemispheres, in contrast to men's brains, where the connections were typically stronger between the front and back regions. Ragini Verma, a researcher at the University of Pennsylvania, said the greatest surprise was how much the findings supported old stereotypes, with men's brains apparently wired more for perception and co-ordinated actions, and women's for social skills and memory, making them better equipped for multitasking.[/quote][URL="http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently"] http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently[/URL]

Well it's good to finally have proof I guess.

I thought this was already confirmed? At the very least my psychology class showed videos from the 90s where MRI scans demonstrated the same thing.

get ready for the countless morons using this as an argument against womens' rights

[QUOTE=Magikoopa24;43052637]I thought this was already confirmed? At the very least my psychology class showed videos from the 90s where MRI scans demonstrated the same thing.[/QUOTE] I think they like to argue these days if gender is a social construct.

[QUOTE=Magikoopa24;43052637]I thought this was already confirmed? At the very least my psychology class showed videos from the 90s where MRI scans demonstrated the same thing.[/QUOTE] This was confirmed in the fucking 80s. :notjustlatebutfuckinglate:

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[quote]Male and female brains showed few differences in connectivity up to the age of 13, but became more differentiated in 14- to 17-year-olds.[/quote] a possible suggestion might be that the brains are strengthening connections based on the conformed social roles/tasks instead of a genetic predisposition

I think this was already generally agreed upon by the scientific community. There just wasn't direct observable proof, but it was still biologically evident, and not too far fetched. Still, cool to have direct, visual confirmation.

[QUOTE=credesniper;43052702]My cousin had some condition where she had a male body, but a female brain. Does anyone know if it has a name? [/QUOTE] In Iran they believe God fucked up, should ask them about it. [editline]3rd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Juniez;43052717]a possible suggestion might be that the brains are strengthening connections based on the conformed social roles/tasks instead of a genetic predisposition[/QUOTE] those start earlier than puberty.

[QUOTE=Vasili;43052727]those start earlier than puberty.[/QUOTE] transactional theory m8 basic psych [editline]2nd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=DuCT;43052636]Well it's good to finally have proof I guess.[/QUOTE] beyond the fact that there's no such thing as proof, there's one pretty big systematic bias here: this study has not controlled for gender (mainly because it's fucking difficult to do so), which has been shown to [I]change the physiology of the brain[/I].

sexually dimorphic species exhibits sexual dimorphism wow

[QUOTE]Ragini Verma, a researcher at the University of Pennsylvania, said the greatest surprise was how much the findings supported old stereotypes, with men's brains apparently wired more for perception and co-ordinated actions, and women's for social skills and memory, making them better equipped for multitasking.[/QUOTE] One big problem is that it discourages women from even trying and encourages sexists to discriminate and generalize.

[QUOTE=Juniez;43052717]a possible suggestion might be that the brains are strengthening connections based on the conformed social roles/tasks instead of a genetic predisposition[/QUOTE] [quote]Male and female brains showed few differences in connectivity up to the age of 13, but became more differentiated in 14- to 17-year-olds.[/quote] gender roles don't suddenly appear at age 14, puberty and a rush of gendered hormones do.

[QUOTE=Vasili;43052608]making them better equipped for multitasking[/QUOTE] I know some excelent kitchens where they can practice multitasking all they want.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43052772]One big problem is that it discourages women from even trying and encourages sexists to discriminate and generalize.[/QUOTE] acknowledging something that has been shown scientifically is sexist and harmful? also how is this purely discriminatory towards women? if you take it to stupid extremes and ignore the obvious individual distribution it says all men are autistic and can't remember their own name.

[QUOTE=Beerminator;43052810]I know some excelent kitchens where they can practice multitasking all they want.[/QUOTE] post of the year 2013

[QUOTE=Vasili;43052692]I think they like to argue these days if gender is a social construct.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between sex and gender, and gender is a social construct. Sex is biological, you are XY therefore you are a man, etc. What Gender is, is more defined by a society and an individual, such as how masculine/feminine you identify yourself as being. That's how I understand it at least.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;43052825]acknowledging something that has been shown scientifically is sexist and harmful?[/QUOTE] I didn't say the study was intrinsically harmful did I Just saying we need to be careful socially in assuring it doesn't become a self-fulfilling prophecy [QUOTE=Devodiere;43052825]also how is this purely discriminatory towards women? if you take it to stupid extremes and ignore the obvious individual distribution it says all men are autistic and can't remember their own name.[/QUOTE] and yet you never hear anyone citing that to keep men out of certain fields do you

next they're gonna tell us we have hormonal and sex organ differences too

So what about the brains of transgendered people? Are they wired more like the opposite gender's rather than their born sex?

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43052837]There's a difference between sex and gender, and gender is a social construct. Sex is biological, you are XY therefore you are a man, etc. What Gender is, is more defined by a society and an individual, such as how masculine/feminine you identify yourself as being. That's how I understand it at least.[/QUOTE] It cannot be entirely something manufactured by society, that would be committing to intellectual dishonesty in the face of science and basic observation. If it was entirely a social construct, then we would not see nearly identical behaviors being carried out across radically different societies by respective members of their sex. If I give you 600mg of testosterone per week without your knowledge, you will start engaging in more typically masculine behavior, thats a fact backed up by many studies on androgen influence in the brain, in sparrows, in cattle, in rats and in humans. So then it would follow that there is a biological basis for behavior that is supposedly "just" a social construct. This is not to say that all aspects of gender have a biological basis, but to say they have none and is entirely a construct of society, is wishful thinking at best, dishonesty at worst.

[QUOTE=Vasili;43052692]I think they like to argue these days if gender is a social construct.[/QUOTE] The statement does not make sense unless you separate gender from sex, which good feminists do. Gender is all the combination of all ideas that say that people of different sexes should act differently. But even that is in doubt as we discover that what "sex" is is getting more and more complicated. [editline]2nd December 2013[/editline] I'm late

[QUOTE=Devodiere;43052825]acknowledging something that has been shown scientifically is sexist and harmful? also how is this purely discriminatory towards women? if you take it to stupid extremes and ignore the obvious individual distribution it says all men are autistic and can't remember their own name.[/QUOTE] well it just tells you that there's a difference at this moment - it doesn't tell you [I]why [/I]that difference is there. For all we know, it could be because of brain usage according to social norms, hormonal influences or a mix of a bunch of different things. Buuuuuut right now it'd be silly to automatically jump to YES ITS BECAUSE THEYRE WOMEN I guess there's a possibility of it being a purely genetic sex-based disposition....... but probably not

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;43052905]It cannot be entirely something manufactured by society, that would be committing to intellectual dishonesty in the face of science and basic observation. If it was entirely a social construct, then we would not see nearly identical behaviors being carried out across radically different societies by respective members of their sex. If I give you 600mg of testosterone per week without your knowledge, you will start engaging in more typically masculine behavior, thats a fact backed up by many studies on androgen influence in the brain, in sparrows, in cattle, in rats and in humans. So then it would follow that there is a biological basis for behavior that is supposedly "just" a social construct. This is not to say that all aspects of gender have a biological basis, but to say they have none and is entirely a construct of society, is wishful thinking at best, dishonesty at worst.[/QUOTE] you start engaging in activities you see other testosterone influenced individuals doing

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43052922]you start engaging in activities you see other testosterone influenced individuals doing[/QUOTE] so explain to me how a rat knows to do this, how cattle does, how sparrows do, how dogs do rat social constructs? Cattle social media?

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;43052905]It cannot be entirely something manufactured by society, that would be committing to intellectual dishonesty in the face of science and basic observation. If it was entirely a social construct, then we would not see nearly identical behaviors being carried out across radically different societies by respective members of their sex. If I give you 600mg of testosterone per week without your knowledge, you will start engaging in more typically masculine behavior, thats a fact backed up by many studies on androgen influence in the brain, in sparrows, in cattle, in rats and in humans. So then it would follow that there is a biological basis for behavior that is supposedly "just" a social construct. This is not to say that all aspects of gender have a biological basis, but to say they have none and is entirely a construct of society, is wishful thinking at best, dishonesty at worst.[/QUOTE] I guess what people are going for is that whatever genitals or brain patterns we have should no longer inform our behavior. We have advanced enough as a society to do that I would hope. [editline]2nd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=JaegerMonster;43052945]so explain to me how a rat knows to do this, how cattle does, how sparrows do, how dogs do rat social constructs? Cattle social media?[/QUOTE] There are behavioral differences yes, but they can't apply to society because animals have no civilization from which to create social rules. [editline]2nd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Reshy;43052898]So what about the brains of transgendered people? Are they wired more like the opposite gender's rather than their born sex?[/QUOTE] This is the thinking yes.

[QUOTE=Juniez;43052717]a possible suggestion might be that the brains are strengthening connections based on the conformed social roles/tasks instead of a genetic predisposition[/QUOTE] Nope. Same connections form in people who have serious issues communicating, and there are physiological conditions and diseases that occur that effect men and women differently, based on the area afflicted. Not everything in the world can be conformed to fit the social justice warrior squad specifications, and stuff like muscle mass density and ratio compared to body weight and size are just as morphologically defined. Arguing for equality on the internet won't give a man a uterus or give a woman testes. [quote]This is the thinking yes.[/quote] Incorrect. Aside from hormonal differentials there's been very little empirical evidence on any physical differences. By all means post up some scientifically reviewed and vetted data, cause National Geographic came up with pretty much nada on the physical side after five years of research.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43052862]I didn't say the study was intrinsically harmful did I Just saying we need to be careful socially in assuring it doesn't become a self-fulfilling prophecy[/quote] "it discourages women from even trying and encourages sexists to discriminate and generalize", you could've fooled me. but no, we wouldn't want facts to come in the way of feelings. all it takes is the smallest bit of logic to see the limitations of this study and realise that outliers are just as common as normal results, but even that's too hard to figure out and we need to soften it up even more. [quote]and yet you never hear anyone citing that to keep men out of certain fields do you[/QUOTE] for all the hyperbole of gender apartheid, what do you think the gender ratio is in nursing, retail and HR? you think people realise that women are generally better in social skills while men get stuck with the heavy lifting? and the bigger question, if that's what they want then do you really care?

[QUOTE=person11;43052947]I guess what people are going for is that whatever genitals or brain patterns we have should no longer inform our behavior. We have advanced enough as a society to do that I would hope. [editline]2nd December 2013[/editline] There are behavioral differences yes, but they can't apply to society because animals have no civilization from which to create social rules. [editline]2nd December 2013[/editline] This is the thinking yes.[/QUOTE] this has sfa to do with what I'm saying. I'm pointing out gender has a biological basis. To suggest it does not is to suggest that transgender individuals really were just confused people in need of seeing a shrink all along.