Gun Control From The Most Unlikely: The NRA - Polidicks

[t]http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4408759/Armatix-iP1-Smart-Gun-3.jpg[/t] [quote]Engage Armament announced it would start carrying the iP1 on May 1st. It backpedaled less than 24 hours later, after gun-rights advocates lashed out on Facebook and called the store, threatening to shoot Raymond, his girlfriend, and his dog. There has been renewed interest in smart guns since the Newtown school shooting, which reinvigorated the gun-control debate. However, there is immense pressure not to be the first to sell them. That’s because of a New Jersey law passed in 2002 known as the Childproof Handgun Law, which says that all guns sold in New Jersey must be state-approved smart guns within three years of a smart gun being sold anywhere in the country. The goal was to make smart guns mandatory as soon as the technology existed. Officially, no smart gun has been sold in the US yet — meaning if Raymond had sold one, it would have triggered the clause in New Jersey. [...] Smart guns, or personalized guns, are designed to be useless unless unlocked by radio signal or a biometric authenticator such as voice activation, fingerprints, or a retina scan. When New Jersey’s law was written, proponents thought smart guns were just around the corner. They were supposed to be here over a decade ago, but politics keeps getting in the way. [...] mart-gun advocates say the technology will stop kids from shooting themselves with their parents’ guns, undermine the market for stolen guns, and protect law enforcement from having their guns used against them. "We need the iPhone of guns," said Ron Conway, a Silicon Valley investor, referring to the phone’s fingerprint unlock. Conway is backing a $1 million contest for smart-gun technology. "We want gun owners to feel like they are dinosaurs if they aren’t using smart guns," he told the Washington Post. [...] They also fear the spread of laws like New Jersey’s, since similar proposals have been introduced in other states and in Congress. "The NRA does not oppose new technological developments in firearms," the group writes on its website. "We are opposed to government mandates that require the use of expensive, unreliable features, such as grips that would read your fingerprints before the gun will fire." Criticism also comes from a surprising place: The Violence Policy Center, a gun control advocacy group, which has a long list of objections to smart guns. "There is this idea that the smart gun is a catch-all solution," says director Josh Sugarman, but people use their own guns in murders and suicides most of the time anyway. "Even if every gun was a smart gun, it would affect a very small percentage of gun violence in this country." [/quote] [url]http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/5/5683504/gun-control-the-nra-wants-to-take-smart-guns-away[/url]

Smart guns are a crock of shit. A padlock on your gun cabinet will work infinitely better than any fingerprint scanner. Guns are simple enough machines that if you needed to bypass the scanner you could tear it down and snip whatever interrupt the gun uses to stop it from firing. On this gun it's probably a piece of metal that blocks the firing pin until you've 'logged in'. [quote]It backpedaled less than 24 hours later, after gun-rights advocates lashed out on Facebook and called the store, threatening to shoot Raymond, his girlfriend, and his dog.[/quote] This, however, is childish and exactly the reason why responsible gun owners are demonized. Making these kinds of threats, even if "it's just the internet!!!", should disbar you from firearms ownership. [quote]That’s because of a New Jersey law passed in 2002 known as the Childproof Handgun Law, which says that all guns sold in New Jersey must be state-approved smart guns within three years of a smart gun being sold anywhere in the country.[/quote] And this is also a bullshit kneejerk reactionary law that didn't even try to consider the [I]entire antique/historical firearms industry.[/I] There's no way in hell I'm installing some sketchy 'smart' junk on my 109 year old shotgun to make it fit with this kind of crap.

I'm reminded of that bit in Dredd where the black dude tries to use Judge Anderson's Pistol and his arm explodes.

I thought it had something to do with the SMART gun from Aliens or something cool like that :c

Someone will eventually develop a hack which will allow them to put the fingerprint of another person on the firearm, and it'll get innocent people put behind bars. I'll stick with my belief that the federal government should mandate that firearm safes are to be constructed into every newly built home in the United States, and offer a program that takes some of your tax return in order to have federal workers come deliver and install firearm safes into your household. These firearm safes do not even need to be for firearms. Simply having a firearm safe for things such as important documents, valuable items, and firearms would be a massive deterrent to theft. By having fireproof and waterproof safes, important items will be kept safe during natural disasters, thefts, and manmade accidents.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;44732226]And this is also a bullshit kneejerk reactionary law that didn't even try to consider the [I]entire antique/historical firearms industry.[/I] There's no way in hell I'm installing some sketchy 'smart' junk on my 109 year old shotgun to make it fit with this kind of crap.[/QUOTE] It applies to handguns and there are specific exceptions written out for antique handguns. You also don't need to retrofit guns, it's just future sale of guns.

That makes more sense then but it still feels a little sketchy - my concern was that if I wanted to sell my shotgun in NJ I'd need to retrofit it, more specifically that since I live in Texas that sort of shit might catch on on a federal level because our congressmen are clueless.

"Smart" guns are a massive waste of time and money, just like the NRA.

i got to the part where it said, 'we need the iphone of guns' and i immediately stopped reading

I think the best idea for a "smart" gun would be a hidden switch of some sort that is what determines if you can fire. Maybe a couple and you need to switch the ones you had chosen to be able to fire. One behind the trigger, one on the side of the slide, flicking one ontop of the rear sights or similar. Make them in places that you can quickly activate all of them while drawing the gun which will prevent someone that doesn't know how to use yours specifically from using it, a mere 3 switches with an on or off position would allow for 8 different combos to be able to shoot the gun, make them 3 point switches with a neutral initial and it is more than enough with 27. I'd say a mechanical lock is a whole lot more sensible than an electronic lock for a mechanical device. Heck 2 thumb switches and a behind or above trigger switch would be perfect.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44732331]Someone will eventually develop a hack which will allow them to put the fingerprint of another person on the firearm, and it'll get innocent people put behind bars.[/QUOTE] And twenty years later this would happen: [IMG]http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/7395/2599534-5645879189-tumbl.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Ezhik;44732792]And twenty years later this would happen: [IMG]http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/7395/2599534-5645879189-tumbl.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE] I still can't get over how Ocelot is just up there with his empty hands acting like he's got two assault rifles or something. [quote]Bang[/quote]

Smart guns are kinda pointless when bullets aren't very smart and [URL="http://boards.420chan.org/nra/src/1369505894356.gif"]you can make a gun out of two pieces of pipe[/URL]. [img]http://i.imgur.com/O78PAwM.gif[/img] See also: [URL="http://fishgame.com/2014/03/build-an-ak47-from-a-shovel-pics/"]that guy that made an AK by bending a shovel into shape[/URL], [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2251804/Built-scrap-primitive-deadly-firearms-Chechen-rebels-use-Russia.html"]Chechen rebel weapons[/URL], [URL="http://www.scribd.com/doc/6118520/expedient-homemade-firearms-bsp-9mm-smg-p"]most wartime open-bolt submachineguns[/URL]. That being said, just for curiousity's sake I kinda sorta want to see a fully electronically (servo) operated firearm. It'd be impractical, sure, but also cool.

[QUOTE=deadoon;44732686]I think the best idea for a "smart" gun would be a hidden switch of some sort that is what determines if you can fire. Maybe a couple and you need to switch the ones you had chosen to be able to fire. One behind the trigger, one on the side of the slide, flicking one ontop of the rear sights or similar. Make them in places that you can quickly activate all of them while drawing the gun which will prevent someone that doesn't know how to use yours specifically from using it, a mere 3 switches with an on or off position would allow for 8 different combos to be able to shoot the gun, make them 3 point switches with a neutral initial and it is more than enough with 27. I'd say a mechanical lock is a whole lot more sensible than an electronic lock for a mechanical device. Heck 2 thumb switches and a behind or above trigger switch would be perfect.[/QUOTE] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/M16A2_Safety_Closeup.jpg/640px-M16A2_Safety_Closeup.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;44732553]"Smart" guns are a massive waste of time and money, just like the NRA.[/QUOTE] Nah uh The 3 magazines, the discounts at firing ranges and the cool places the NRA has is enough for the 25 bucks per year

Why don't we outlaw all guns that are lower in caliber than 20x102mm so only people who are so intent on owning a gun that they're willing to hit themselves in the face really hard, set their surroundings on fire and render everyone in the room permanently deaf every time they fire them own one

NRA are actually really good people who advocate gun safety, security, understanding and abiding laws, and proper training on guns. It's the south shall rise again!, soverange citizen, and tea party people who give it a bad name. [editline]6th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=deadoon;44732686]I think the best idea for a "smart" gun would be a hidden switch of some sort that is what determines if you can fire. Maybe a couple and you need to switch the ones you had chosen to be able to fire. One behind the trigger, one on the side of the slide, flicking one ontop of the rear sights or similar. Make them in places that you can quickly activate all of them while drawing the gun which will prevent someone that doesn't know how to use yours specifically from using it, a mere 3 switches with an on or off position would allow for 8 different combos to be able to shoot the gun, make them 3 point switches with a neutral initial and it is more than enough with 27. I'd say a mechanical lock is a whole lot more sensible than an electronic lock for a mechanical device. Heck 2 thumb switches and a behind or above trigger switch would be perfect.[/QUOTE] Have you ever owned a gun?

Its nifty and all but when some country starts air detonating nukes for the EMP to turn all the guns off we might have a bigger issue on our hands... Like someone else said safes should be mandated first, or even trigger locks [T]https://lennemi.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/trigger-lock.gif[/T]

[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;44732237]I'm reminded of that bit in Dredd where the black dude tries to use Judge Anderson's Pistol and his arm explodes.[/QUOTE] [B][I]DOUBLE WHAMMY[/I][/B]

[quote]It backpedaled less than 24 hours later, after gun-rights advocates lashed out on Facebook and called the store, threatening to shoot Raymond, his girlfriend, and his dog.[/quote] These are the kind of gun owners that would benefit the most from smart guns (programmed to the hands of someone else)

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;44733010]NRA are actually really good people who advocate gun safety, security, understanding and abiding laws, and proper training on guns.[/QUOTE] The problem is the NRA has branched off of being a Gun Rights organisation into a full-blown conservative organisation. They keep funding things like anti-abortion or anti-lgbt and such, that's why I don't care for them. NRA should stick to guns and just guns.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;44732887]dumb[/QUOTE] Are you even able to read? A switch by itself that is clearly marked still allows the person to fire the gun when in the right position, what I suggested was a set of interconnected switches similar to a combination lock, nobody without the right combo, whether gained through time, luck or knowledge could fire it. It would prevent a whole lot of accidental discharges.

Rather than banning 'assault weapons' because they look scary or forcing this smart gun shit* wouldn't it make sense to revise the requirements for obtaining a gun license? Make sure the psychological evaluations are up to date and such. *Also they're ruining the name smart gun, these guns are stupid.

The idea of a 'smart gun' is infinitely retarded. Nothing is 'unhackable' in this day and age. The iPhone 5s fingerprint scanner proved that. The phone wasn't even RELEASED before it had been hacked. The only thing that 'smart gun' technology does is, once again, limit law abiding gun owners. A few examples: Dad is away on a business trip. His pistol is coded to his fingerprint. Someone breaks in and tries to rape Mom while the kids are at school. She can't use his gun because her fingerprints are different. Someone breaks into the house at night, you reach for your gun but it won't unlock because you forgot to charge it and now the smart-unlock battery is dead. Now you dead. Because you own a smart gun, you grow complacent and allow your children to play with it because you're an idiot and they can't hurt themselves with it. Later when your friend with a non-smart gun comes to visit and he sets it on the kitchen counter because he feels safe in your home, one of your children grabs it and accidentally shoots himself/his sibling/your wife/you/your friend because you didn't teach them gun safety in your complacence. Someone breaks into your house, steals your smart gun, and hacks it so that anyone can use it. The gun is later used to hold up a convenience store and the clerk is shot and killed. The gun is found in the dumpster, you are arrested and tried for murder and robbery because "Only you can unlock this smart gun". etc.

as pointed out, smart guns don't work because you can easily bypass stuff i mean guns are simple by design. there's no way to put a fingerprint lock on it or anything that would prevent criminals however some NFC tag combined with grip safety could easilly work but it won't do what the new jersey bill intends smart guns to do. just storing the magazines in a different place than where you store the gun is a super simple way to prevent like 90% of these accidental shootings, putting a gunlock on your guns if you have children should be required. common sense saves lives

[QUOTE=Sableye;44734296] some NFC tag combined with grip safety could easilly work but it won't do what the new jersey bill intends smart guns to do. [/QUOTE] While that's a pretty smart solution that I haven't heard before I can already think of two downfalls. One, NFC is extremely finnicky. If you don't get the sensors lined up to their liking it just isn't going to work, and it's not a matter of rubbing shit together until it starts to work, NFC generally needs to be pulled away from each other and brought back together to attempt another connection. Two, how would you propose the second NFC sensor be attached onto the person to ensure it'll come into contact with the firearm's NFC chip? Short of embedding the NFC chip into your hand (which would impede connection efficiency) you'd have to wear some sort of article of clothing or other such device which would be easily lost or stolen.

[quote]Smart guns, or personalized guns, are designed to be useless unless unlocked by radio signal or a biometric authenticator such as voice activation, fingerprints, or a [B]retina scan[/B][/quote] just picturing someone staring down the barrel wondering where the retinal scanner is before inadvertently blowing their brains out because it's actually fingerprint activated [editline]6th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44732331]Someone will eventually develop a hack which will allow them to put the fingerprint of another person on the firearm, and it'll get innocent people put behind bars. [B]I'll stick with my belief that the federal government should mandate that firearm safes are to be constructed into every newly built home in the United States[/B], and offer a program that takes some of your tax return in order to have federal workers come deliver and install firearm safes into your household. These firearm safes do not even need to be for firearms. Simply having a firearm safe for things such as important documents, valuable items, and firearms would be a massive deterrent to theft. By having fireproof and waterproof safes, important items will be kept safe during natural disasters, thefts, and manmade accidents.[/QUOTE] i've seriously heard a lot of ridiculous ideas from gun advocates through the years but i really think this is just the fucking silliest thing i've ever heard there is absolutely zero reason why the rest of the population of the united states needs to privately pay for a gun safe to be installed in their home when they build a new home. zoning and construction laws are designed to make homes safe for human habitation and to meet safety standards, not to shoehorn guns into every household. that's ridiculous. that's like saying that every home ever built from this point forward needs to be built with, say, handicapped accessible everything. but hell you know what that actually makes sense. a better analogous idea would to force every home built from this point forward to have a trophy case to be built into the wall, so that people could keep their entirely superflous hobby items in there. or, if they're not into superflous hobbies they can put family pictures in there, maybe some important documents and books, whatever. but the point is that the federal government should mandate that these trophy cases are installed in every home constructed from this point forward like are you actually serious or are you just [I]that[/I] into guns that you dream this as being a good idea? like i'm hardly the last person to complain about government overreach but even for the most insane right wing conservative having the state [I]force you to buy a safe and have it installed in your home[/I] IS PROBABLY NOT OKAY

[QUOTE=DylanWilson;44733081]Its nifty and all but when some country starts air detonating nukes for the EMP to turn all the guns off we might have a bigger issue on our hands... Like someone else said safes should be mandated first, or even trigger locks [T]https://lennemi.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/trigger-lock.gif[/T][/QUOTE] That looks retarded man, how are you supposed to use that when you are being robbed?

[QUOTE=Moose;44732637]i got to the part where it said, 'we need the iphone of guns' and i immediately stopped reading[/QUOTE] Wasn't it revealed that Apple stored passwords in plain text at one point? This "iPhone of guns" would probably load a round into the chamber for you.

[QUOTE=HeatPipe;44735258]That looks retarded man, how are you supposed to use that when you are being robbed?[/QUOTE] You aren't? It's for storing the gun, not for carrying it about. If you're referring to preventing a robbery in your home; the same way you'd respond if you had your gun/s in a safe: by unlocking the lock.