[quote]The number of women gaining places at university is rising twice as quickly as that for men, the latest figures show.
The admissions service, Ucas, has released data five days after A-level results, showing more than 463,000 places have been confirmed.
This is a 3% increase on the same point last year - with a 4% increase among women and 2% increase among men.
So far this year, 57,000 more women than men have gained university places.
These updated figures show the level of university admissions, including almost 35,000 students allocated places through the clearing process, up 6% on the same point last year.
In addition to those who have accepted places, a further 63,000 are holding offers. There are another 144,000 applicants who have still to get a place.
The trend is heading towards a record number of students beginning full-time undergraduate courses this autumn.
The admissions figures also show the gender gap will be wider than ever.
Among UK 18-year-olds, 25.1% of men and 34% of women have taken university places.
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As well as 18-year-old women, the remainder of places will be filled by those going after gap years, mature students and international students.[/quote]
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/education-33975930[/url]
not surprised to be honest, with medical courses getting lots of funding , sciences and engineering type classes trying to give women more reasons to join. Would be interested to see what % are in stuff like fashion design, drama and arts ect.
Went through college with 0 girls in my class for engineering and 2 for game design. In uni it was about a 50%50 split though.
Over here in Canada, all of my University classes seem to follow a similar trend.
Perhaps in my case its just that biology, psychology, and neurology are just more appealing to women.
I did not goto college after finishing secondary school, I went and got a job. Min wage, but its somthing. Allmost every one of my freinds is still at college or uni now, I decided not to go to college because I belive being able to do the job as appose to studying for years to get a bit of paper claim I can do somthing yet having no experiance is ehhh. Ive been working for a year and learned more than i ever had in a educational enviroment.
Oh and about 70% of the girls i knew went to uni.
In my Electronics Engineering class, out of a class of 120, I think there were 3 women IIRC
Are more women getting into STEM subjects or are more women applying for things like fashion and liberal arts?
[editline]18th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=shadowboy303;48487633]I did not goto college after finishing secondary school, I went and got a job. Min wage, but its somthing. Allmost every one of my freinds is still at college or uni now, I decided not to go to college because I belive being able to do the job as appose to studying for years to get a bit of paper claim I can do somthing yet having no experiance is ehhh. Ive been working for a year and learned more than i ever had in a educational enviroment.[/QUOTE]
Yes but that bit of paper gives you opportunities for other jobs that you otherwise wouldn't be qualified to do - it's not just "here's a bit of paper that lets you do what you could have already done"
[QUOTE=Trumple;48487648]In my Electronics Engineering class, out of a class of 120, I think there were 3 women IIRC
Are more women getting into STEM subjects or are more women applying for things like fashion and liberal arts?[/QUOTE]
There are countless non-STEM majors, many of which are overwhelmingly taken by women. Courses related to education, nursing, social work, psychology, English, social sciences, and fine arts generally have considerably more women then men. Though some STEM courses such as Biology have grown in popularity with women (with women outnumbering men 60-40 in the US with similar numbers in the UK), others such as Engineering, Physics, and Computer Sciences are still far more popular with men.
[QUOTE=Trumple;48487648]In my Electronics Engineering class, out of a class of 120, I think there were 3 women IIRC
Are more women getting into STEM subjects or are more women applying for things like fashion and liberal arts?
[editline]18th August 2015[/editline]
Yes but that bit of paper gives you opportunities for other jobs that you otherwise wouldn't be qualified to do - it's not just "here's a bit of paper that lets you do what you could have already done"[/QUOTE]
As someone who's had classes in a variety of topics there's usually a 60/40 split women/men in soft science and most liberal arts courses while general hard science courses were 40/60 men/women. I didn't do any advance engineering or computer science stuff, but from what my friends say its more of a sausage fest. I also sat in on one gender studies course and it was the opposite, with there being like 85-90% women.
[QUOTE=shadowboy303;48487633]I did not goto college after finishing secondary school, I went and got a job. Min wage, but its somthing. Allmost every one of my freinds is still at college or uni now, I decided not to go to college because I belive being able to do the job as appose to studying for years to get a bit of paper claim I can do somthing yet having no experiance is ehhh. Ive been working for a year and learned more than i ever had in a educational enviroment.[/QUOTE]
It's about wanting a career over a job. And your spelling makes me think you aren't even out of primary school.
[QUOTE=Trumple;48487648]In my Electronics Engineering class, out of a class of 120, I think there were 3 women IIRC
Are more women getting into STEM subjects or are more women applying for things like fashion and liberal arts?[/QUOTE]
Tons of the sciences are now getting a sizable female enrolment. Things like physics and chemistry seem to be actually getting any compared to basically none now. Biological science stuff has always done fairly well (ties in quite nicely with medical science stuff after all).
Electronic sciences aren't doing too great as usual mind. the enrolment rate for computer science at the UEA was pretty low this year for female candidates. As it has been for every other year. The more electronics focused courses do even worse.
I think there's about 40~ people on my geology course at uni and of those there are 10 girls (I think). Not so many of them on the palaeo and geo engineering ones I don't think
[QUOTE=Scot;48487950]It's about wanting a career over a job. And your spelling makes me think you aren't even out of primary school.[/QUOTE]
As much as you like to poke holes in his post, he is kinda right. I went to college and got did a course in maintaining computers and networks and after that i did the comptia a+ cert.
One year working in a small computer shop has taught me loads more than what i learned in those courses combined. Sure you get the paperwork, but alot of people under estimate experience.
[QUOTE='[EG] Pepper;48488046']As much as you like to poke holes in his post, he is kinda right. I went to college and got did a course in maintaining computers and networks and after that i did the comptia a+ cert.
One year working in a small computer shop has taught me loads more than what i learned in those courses combined. Sure you get the paperwork, but alot of people under estimate experience.[/QUOTE]
Not all courses are equal - some courses are arguably not worth taking if you purely looked at the knowledge gained (of course sometimes they're worth taking purely for the employment benefits). If computer repairs is what you want to do, then of course you'll learn a lot more on the job than in gaining the certificate. For something like engineering where you need a strong background of advanced calculus, engineering physics and the like, your employer can't feasibly be expected to train you in all that
This part isn't directed at you but:
it annoys me all the people who do a degree in something like history of art then complain when their job prospects aren't much different from when they started. It's like yeah, check that before you choose a degree
[QUOTE=Complifused;48488037]I think there's about 40~ people on my geology course at uni and of those there are 10 girls (I think). Not so many of them on the palaeo and geo engineering ones I don't think[/QUOTE]
I worked the graduation ceremony for the Nursing major my senior year, and for fun I decided to count the gender split.
3 men to ~100 women.
[QUOTE=elfbarf;48487778]There are countless non-STEM majors, many of which are overwhelmingly taken by women. Courses related to education, nursing, social work, psychology, English, social sciences, and fine arts generally have considerably more women then men. Though some STEM courses such as Biology have grown in popularity with women (with women outnumbering men 60-40 in the US with similar numbers in the UK), others such as Engineering, Physics, and Computer Sciences are still far more popular with men.[/QUOTE]
Mechanical Engineer major here. Most of the Mechy classes are disproportionately male, [I]at least[/I] 60% male. When I was in community college, there was [I]one[/I] woman in my physics class of ~30-40.
A couple of my hard science and other STEM classrooms have had soft science (sociology and such) classes immediately after, and when the students come in it's the exact opposite trend, with at least 60% of the class being female.
I had an average of ~2-3 women in my 40 person electrical engineering classes at a state university.
Interestingly, the nations that are considered more gender equal don't have any more female representation in STEM, especially in engineering. There's actually a slight negative correlation.
[QUOTE='[EG] Pepper;48488046']As much as you like to poke holes in his post, he is kinda right. I went to college and got did a course in maintaining computers and networks and after that i did the comptia a+ cert.
One year working in a small computer shop has taught me loads more than what i learned in those courses combined. Sure you get the paperwork, but alot of people under estimate experience.[/QUOTE]
College is some weird confused mess of "ehhh...we know most of you dont want to do academia any more so here's [I]some[/I] life skills. but we gotta keep it academic enough for those who will go to uni". I took a BTEC National Diploma in Computing for Practitioners. It was okay, some of the stuff I learned I already knew decently well because it was just the EdExcel double award ICT course with stricter marking. But it taught me one or two things, though nowhere near well enough to be useful.
Since doing a full Computing Science course, just having the raw theoretical knowledge of how this shit actually works on the low level has already helped me quite a bit with the job I basically fell in to as I can see how to improve their existing code (not that I can actually do it, the code base is pretty rough and due an overhaul anyway).
Degrees are totally useful, even in the real world. They provide different approaches to what experience would, some better, some clearly academic and totally not that useful.
[QUOTE='[EG] Pepper;48488046']As much as you like to poke holes in his post, he is kinda right. I went to college and got did a course in maintaining computers and networks and after that i did the comptia a+ cert.
One year working in a small computer shop has taught me loads more than what i learned in those courses combined. Sure you get the paperwork, but alot of people under estimate experience.[/QUOTE]
It is true, experience > all. If anyone gets the job or career they want to do after going uni it is pot luck, my mum works for British Gas and more or less every young person who works there has a degree and they're stuck in a job like that. The joy.
[QUOTE='[EG] Pepper;48488046']As much as you like to poke holes in his post, he is kinda right. I went to college and got did a course in maintaining computers and networks and after that i did the comptia a+ cert.
One year working in a small computer shop has taught me loads more than what i learned in those courses combined. Sure you get the paperwork, but alot of people under estimate experience.[/QUOTE]
The reality is that nowadays you need both.
[QUOTE=xianlee;48488419] If anyone gets the job or career they want to do after going uni it is pot luck[/QUOTE]
To say it's pot luck is almost insulting. I worked my ass off for years to get GCSEs and A-levels I needed to do what I wanted to do. I worked my ass off for 4 years at Uni while other people dossed around. And now I'm going into the career I wanted to do. It was planned, and I worked exceedingly hard for it.
[QUOTE=xianlee;48488419]my mum works for British Gas and more or less every young person who works there has a degree and they're stuck in a job like that. The joy.[/QUOTE]
What sort of degrees do they have though? Not all degrees are the same. An art degree from an unknown Uni is not worth the same as a maths degree from Cambridge. Same goes with classification, are they 2:2, 2:1, 1st?
[QUOTE=xianlee;48488419]It is true, experience > all.[/QUOTE]
No, it really isn't. Your anecdotal evidence isn't worth shit.
[QUOTE=xianlee;48488419]It is true, experience > all. If anyone gets the job or career they want to do after going uni it is pot luck, my mum works for British Gas and more or less every young person who works there has a degree and they're stuck in a job like that. The joy.[/QUOTE]
People here always say this, but it's really not true. Good luck being a physician, engineer or lawyer without a tertiary degree. Having that degree or at least studying it is a prerequisite for even many internships. You need that degree to be given the opportunity to find decent experience in many cases.
I have the feeling that people who say you don't need degrees in high-skill workplaces are people who couldn't be bothered with uni, or they dropped out, and they're trying to justify to themselves that they are better off without it.
[QUOTE=xianlee;48488419]It is true, experience > all. If anyone gets the job or career they want to do after going uni it is pot luck, my mum works for British Gas and more or less every young person who works there has a degree and they're stuck in a job like that. The joy.[/QUOTE]
this is why you get an internship relating to your degree, while you're earning it
In the US, there are universities literally dying because of differences like 80 percent women.
A lot of the reason is because boys are either dropping out of highschool or not bothering. Its really unhealthy tbh.
As a software engineering and a neuroscience student, I can confirm that engineering was 95% men, and neuroscience being around 60% or so.
[QUOTE=Scot;48487950]It's about wanting a career over a job. And your spelling makes me think you aren't even out of primary school.[/QUOTE]
Android K/B
Back in my undergrad (Zoology) and postgrad (Ecology), the split was always 60/40 in favour of women.
[QUOTE=Swilly;48490219]In the US, there are universities literally dying because of differences like 80 percent women.[/QUOTE]
Literally dying? How so? How does having more women cause university to die?
I found in high school that the girls tended to take the classes more seriously than the guys, overall. More of them definitely ended up going to some kind of college or uni.
[QUOTE=Trumple;48488666]To say it's pot luck is almost insulting. I worked my ass off for years to get GCSEs and A-levels I needed to do what I wanted to do. I worked my ass off for 4 years at Uni while other people dossed around. And now I'm going into the career I wanted to do. It was planned, and I worked exceedingly hard for it.
What sort of degrees do they have though? Not all degrees are the same. An art degree from an unknown Uni is not worth the same as a maths degree from Cambridge. Same goes with classification, are they 2:2, 2:1, 1st?[/QUOTE]
I don't mean anything offensive by my post but 90% of people who go Uni study something useless or a field that is really hard to get into then complain. I take my hat off to those that study something worthwhile like engineering, being a doctor etc.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;48488487]The reality is that nowadays you need both.[/QUOTE]
Tis why you do a 4 year course (placement year between 2 & 3) instead of just 3 years studying at uni - I took a year off on my second year (Just finished my placement (3/4 year)) and next year I'll be able to say I have a degree and 1 years experience working in one of the largest pharma companies in the world.
On my course people who took the extra year ended up getting the jobs, a majority of the people who didn't take the year are sitting in the un employed group.
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