• Ayatollah of Iran releases video denying Holocaust on Holocaust Remembrance Day
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[URL="http://www.thetower.org/2874-khamenei-releases-video-denying-holocaust-on-international-holocaust-remembrance-day/"]http://www.thetower.org/2874-khamenei-releases-video-denying-holocaust-on-international-holocaust-remembrance-day/[/URL] [QUOTE]As the international community commemorated International Holocaust Remembrance Day on Wednesday, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei released a video claiming that “it is not clear” if the Holocaust “is a reality or not.”[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]No one in European countries dares to speak about holocaust while it is not clear whether the core of this matter is a reality or not. Even if it is a reality, it is not clear how it happened. Speaking about holocaust and expressing doubts about it is considered to be a great sin. If someone does this they stop, arrest, imprison and sue him. This is while they claim to be supporters of freedom. This is the ignorance that exists in the world today. We should be awake. You dear brothers, dear people of Iran, Muslims in the great Islamic Ummah and officials in different countries should know that we can stand up against the ignorance.[/QUOTE] [editline]28th January 2016[/editline] Mistake in the title, it's actually the Ayatollah of Iran, not the president
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[QUOTE=Svinnik;49624755][URL="http://www.thetower.org/2874-khamenei-releases-video-denying-holocaust-on-international-holocaust-remembrance-day/"]http://www.thetower.org/2874-khamenei-releases-video-denying-holocaust-on-international-holocaust-remembrance-day/[/URL] [editline]28th January 2016[/editline] Mistake in the title, it's actually the Ayatollah of Iran, not the president[/QUOTE] He was president for 8 years, but as supreme leader I think he's above the president. Oh, yes he is. [QUOTE]The President of Iran (رئیس•جمهور ایران Ra'isjomhur-e Iran) is the head of government of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The President is the highest popularly elected official in Iran, although the President answers to the Supreme Leader of Iran, who functions as the country's head of state.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49624781]He was president for 8 years, but as supreme leader I think he's above the president. Oh, yes he is.[/QUOTE] So they have a President and a Dictator. Great.
"But Guys, Iran is way cool! We want them to be our friends!"
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49624844]"But Guys, Iran is way cool! We want them to be our friends!"[/QUOTE] Better than Saudi, Americas greatest ally in democracy.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49624850]Better than Saudi, Americas greatest ally in democracy.[/QUOTE] Notice how I didn't say anything about Saudi Arabia? I find Saudi Arabia to be far more deplorable than Iran, but a "lesser of two evils" option isn't an option when it comes to international diplomacy, sorry.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49624860]Notice how I didn't say anything about Saudi Arabia? I find Saudi Arabia to be far more deplorable than Iran, but a "lesser of two evils" option isn't an option when it comes to international diplomacy, sorry.[/QUOTE] It totally is an option when it comes to international democracy. Countries have always had to pick the lesser of 2 evils. The allies knew the soviets were a bag of dicks but had to pick them over the nazis, had that choice not been made the nazis might have won. War itself is such a decision, do you go to war or face the consequences of not going to war, both might be evil but you pick the lesser, in WW2 the french saw going to war as the greater of 2 evils so surrendered to the nazis. Today the US know turkey and saudi are shit, they know ukraine is corrupt but for the sake of real politik and keeping influence they are forced to side with them and play advocate to what happens. Politics is compromise.
*Snip* I should probably research things before talking about them.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49624907]It is when there's oil involved. Unless, of course, you want to hand in that cushy western lifestyle of yours... The only reason we've got it so good is because we've outsourced the peasantry.[/QUOTE] Most of the US's oil actually comes from the US, at least in 2012. Not to say that losing the ~12.9 from the Middle East wouldn't hurt, but the majority of oil is from the Americas. [t]http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2012/04/gr-oilprod-300.gif[/t] [url]http://www.npr.org/2012/04/11/150444802/where-does-america-get-oil-you-may-be-surprised[/url] Looking into it, the percentages have changed a bit, but North America is still where we get most of our Oil from. The percentages on that chart are just for total imports as far as I can tell. [url]http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=727&t=6[/url] Canada: 3.39 (37%) Saudi Arabia: 1.17 (13%) Mexico: 0.84 (9%) Venezuela: 0.79 (9%) Iraq: 0.37 (4%) [editline]28th January 2016[/editline] again, losing the Middle East countries would sting, but it wouldn't cripple us.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49624755][URL="http://www.thetower.org/2874-khamenei-releases-video-denying-holocaust-on-international-holocaust-remembrance-day/"]http://www.thetower.org/2874-khamenei-releases-video-denying-holocaust-on-international-holocaust-remembrance-day/[/URL] [editline]28th January 2016[/editline] Mistake in the title, it's actually the Ayatollah of Iran, not the president[/QUOTE] Is he the the Ayatollah of rock-and-rolla?
[QUOTE=bdd458;49624932]Most of the US's oil actually comes from the US, at least in 2012. Not to say that losing the ~12.9 from the Middle East wouldn't hurt, but the majority of oil is from the US and Canada. [t]http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2012/04/gr-oilprod-300.gif[/t] [url]http://www.npr.org/2012/04/11/150444802/where-does-america-get-oil-you-may-be-surprised[/url] Looking into it, the percentages have changed a bit, but North America is still where we get most of our Oil from. The percentages on that chart are just for total imports as far as I can tell. [url]http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=727&t=6[/url] Canada: 3.39 (37%) Saudi Arabia: 1.17 (13%) Mexico: 0.84 (9%) Venezuela: 0.79 (9%) Iraq: 0.37 (4%) [editline]28th January 2016[/editline] again, losing the Middle East countries would sting, but it wouldn't cripple us.[/QUOTE] Huh. Looks like we don't even import oil from Iran. Ignore me, I have no idea what I'm talking about apparently.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49624956]Huh. Looks like we don't even import oil from Iran. Ignore me, I have no idea what I'm talking about apparently.[/QUOTE] Imo you were right about oil. Saudi (and loads of other countries) trade oil in dollars, so lots of people are doing lots of transactions using the dollar, giving the dollar and thus the US a great deal of stability letting them afford their debts. If people stop using the dollar then stability drops, value drops and the US economy nose dives. Iran was working with Russia to stop trading oil in dollars. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Iran put that plan on the back burner for a while. [sp]Don't wanna sound like [I]one of those guys[/I] but Saddam stopped trading in dollars before the invasion, afterwards Iraq commenced trading in dollars again.[/sp]
[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;49624943]Is he the the Ayatollah of rock-and-rolla?[/QUOTE] Ayatollah Assahollah, more like. I've never understood outright denial of the Holocaust. It happened. We know it did. We have eyewitness accounts, photographs, films, etc. of the killings taking place-- shootings, beatings, starvation and mistreatment, and so on. If anything, disputes should be over how many were killed, because we don't actually know(for Jews, there have been various proposals over the years; 1.8 million to 2.5 million and of course 6 million, 12-20 million people, including gypsies, homosexuals, communists, etc. overall). So-called "Holocaust guilt" also needs to be addressed and erased completely, because it's not relevant anymore at this point in history (70+ years after the fact) [url=http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.662962]except as a tool of manipulation[/url].
[QUOTE=Buck.;49624801]So they have a President and a Dictator. Great.[/QUOTE] Well he's "elected".
[QUOTE=Govna;49625074]Ayatollah Assahollah, more like. I've never understood outright denial of the Holocaust. It happened. We know it did. We have eyewitness accounts, photographs, films, etc. of the killings taking place-- shootings, beatings, starvation and mistreatment, and so on. If anything, disputes should be over how many were killed, because we don't actually know(for Jews, there have been various proposals over the years; 1.8 million to 2.5 million and of course 6 million, 12-20 million people, including gypsies, homosexuals, communists, etc. overall). So-called "Holocaust guilt" also needs to be addressed and erased completely, because it's not relevant anymore at this point in history (70+ years after the fact) [url=http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.662962]except as a tool of manipulation[/url].[/QUOTE] I think lots of deniers acknowledge that killing happened but deny that jews were specifically targetted. Like the armenian genocide deniers, they acknowledge killing happened but avoid saying that ethnic armenians were specifically targetted. No less stupid, there's extensive evidence for both being specifically targeted at certain ethnic groups (holocaust included more than just jews but jews were specifically targeted) but I think that falls under the category of denial, possibly explaining why there are so many holocaust deniers. It does irk me when someone says the holocaust then says 8 million murdered, its a kind of holocaust denial in that they are refusing (possibly from ignorance) to acknowledge the none jews who were killed/targeted as part of it. Does holocaust refer to the mass murder in general or is it specifically in reference to the mass murder of jews?
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49625115] No less stupid, there's extensive evidence for both being specifically targeted at certain ethnic groups (holocaust included more than just jews but jews were specifically targeted) but I think that falls under the category of denial, possibly explaining why there are so many holocaust deniers. It does irk me when someone says the holocaust then says 8 million murdered, its a kind of holocaust denial in that they are refusing (possibly from ignorance) to acknowledge the none jews who were killed/targeted as part of it. Does holocaust refer to the mass murder in general or is it specifically in reference to the mass murder of jews?[/QUOTE] The holocaust was mainly against Jews and the Nazis are known for their antisemitism so people who don't know history well assume that only Jews were killed. Most people don't know history well so they think only 6 million people were killed when it's actually around 10 million.
Anyone who denies the Holocaust (or any other well-documented genocide out there) is either an idiot, a prick or both. For fuck's sake, Jews were facing persecution even before the concentration camps were open - from Krystallnacht to legislation acted specifically against them that stripped them of property, rights ect - is it really a 'coincidence' that of the millions who died in the camps, six million of them were Jews? Hell, even Eisenhower said: [quote]In one room, where they were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would get sick if he did so.[B] I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to 'propaganda.'[/B][/quote]
The Ayatollah is a raving old man. I would be concerned if the President, an actual elected representative, was saying things like this, though.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49625132]The holocaust was mainly against Jews and the Nazis are known for their antisemitism so people who don't know history well assume that only Jews were killed. Most people don't know history well so they think only 6 million people were killed when it's actually around 10 million.[/QUOTE] It's arguable that each death on Russian soil should be considered part of the holocaust because of the reasons behind the invasion of the soviet union to begin with (long story short, Hitler wanted to eradicate the Russians because like the Jewish he viewed them as lesser humans). Quiet a lot of historians debate this of course because it was through somewhat 'conventional' warfare but if you choose to 'count' those deaths then that's (extremely rough guesstimate) another 15 - 20 million Russians.
Corrected the title btw
the ayatollah of iran, a nation known to have a massive beef with jews, denies that something bad to jewish people happened not exactly shocked though it's still disgusting
It worries me how quick people are to forget history. Even things that are 100% confirmed facts. Makes me wonder if in 100 years or so people will be denying 9/11 ever happened.
[QUOTE=Buck.;49625495]It worries me how quick people are to forget history. Even things that are 100% confirmed facts. Makes me wonder if in 100 years or so people will be denying 9/11 ever happened.[/QUOTE] this has nothing to do with forgetting history. the thing is that most of the more conservative religious people in iran see jews as infidels, which is why they are denying the holocaust. some even think it's an elaborate lie set up so jews get more sympathy from the world. anti-semitism at its finest
[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;49624943]Is he the the Ayatollah of rock-and-rolla?[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/files/2015/04/bazzi-top-1024x750.jpg[/IMG] [I]"JUST WALK AWAY"[/I]
[QUOTE=Buck.;49625495]It worries me how quick people are to forget history. Even things that are 100% confirmed facts. Makes me wonder if in 100 years or so people will be denying 9/11 ever happened.[/QUOTE] People do now.:weeb:
Disgusting.
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49625352]The Ayatollah is a raving old man. I would be concerned if the President, an actual elected representative, was saying things like this, though.[/QUOTE] The problem is that the president answers to him.
I don't even understand how someone could deny the Holocaust. There's tons of horrific photos as proof. Hell, you can even visit Auschwitz today.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49625568]People do now.:weeb:[/QUOTE] I clearly didn't think that one through.
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