Hollandistan; government tells criticasters 'it's not that bad'; new Mosque with call for prayer
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[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij7aSh8BosE[/media]
In the city of Enschede, a new mosque with room for over 2.000 people is planned.
People in the area with concerns about the mosque, who feel it is an unwanted addition to the 2 mosques that are already available in the city of 157.000 inhabitants of which 10.000 are muslims, are mostly made out to be xenophobes and racists on social-media and only newsreports about locals who embrace the new mosque are published in the news.
The amount is criticism increased when the mosque also declared it's intentions to broadcast the call for prayer on a daily basis.
The local government responded by organising a test, so that citizens could see for themselves "it's not that intrusive".
This is not the only mosque broadcasting a call to prayer in the Netherlands.
Amongst others a mosque in Oldenzaal, despite criticism, refused to accept not to be given the right to broadcast to call to prayer saying [i]"We will not broadcast until we have permission, but we refuse to accept we cannot broadcast since it's a vital part of our religion. The longest breath will win this."[/i] and has since then reached a 'gentleman-agreement' with local government to be able to broadcast at least once a week, despite citizens protesting against having any 'calls-to-prayer' at all.
Meanwhile, muslims from the area celebrate on social-media, and in the comment-section of the Youtube-video that was published.
Amongst many native Dutchs people complaining the government has lost touch with them, and how they feel this shouldn't be allowed in the Netherlands to promote succesful integration, a muslim Enschede-citizen posts:
[quote]"Beautiful!
We will turn the Netherlands into one great place of prayer! To those who do not like this I'd say, pack your bags.
This territory does not belong to cheeseheads [b][derogatory slang for "native dutchman"][/b], no man or nation on the earth. In short, get your stuff if you do not like it here, auf Wiedersehen."[/quote]
Who. Gives. A. Fuck.
Does your town have Church bells? Does it rustle your jimmies when those ring?
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Lived on the southern part of Enschede for a couple of years (Fretberg near the little nudist beach yo)
but umm..
Is that at the north western part of the town? Shouldn't be that much of a problem right?
That area is a desolate dump anyway with some bankrupt hardware stores and stuff like that.
Maybe they could shorten the audio track though..
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[QUOTE=Rumbler;49193588]and how they feel this shouldn't be allowed in the Netherlands to promote succesful integration, a muslim Enschede-citizen posts:[/QUOTE]
Successful integration doesn't mean taking someones culture from them, do you even know your own history?
Swampville :v be glad there's some diversity in culture, bunch of uneducated shits in an largely unemployed city who have nothing better to do but bitch about pointless shit like this..
BUT MUH CULTURE, get the fuck to the library please.
#HUTSPOTISNTEVENDUTCH
[QUOTE=Flameon;49193634]Who. Gives. A. Fuck.
Does your town have Church bells? Does it rustle your jimmies when those ring?[/QUOTE]
Well the people who elected their government give a fuck. Are you seriously saying you're ok with elected government actively not representing their people?
Also, muslims are terribly poorly-integrated in the Netherlands, and this doesn't help.
Especially when there's problems of muslim men being on welfare, and refusing to pay for their groceries if there's a female behind the register. Yes there is a problem, and yes many people do give a fuck actually.
Secondly, no my town doesn't have churchbells. The Netherlands is actually quite secular, so yes people aren't happy about the introduction of a new and very strict religion.
[quote]People in the area with concerns about the mosque, who feel it is an unwanted addition to the 2 mosques that are already available in the city[/quote]
Fun fact, there is more than 1 sect of Islam.
Are you going to be mad that there's multiple churches in my city? Yours? Are you going to get upset and say "well gee they already have one, why can't they deal with that"?
Just calm down dude, nothing's going to be ruined by this.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49193657]
Especially when there's problems of muslim men being on welfare, and refusing to pay for their groceries if there's a female behind the register. Yes there is a problem, and yes many people do give a fuck actually.[/QUOTE]
1: half of fucking Enschede is unemployed.
2: yes because Muslim men refusing service from women happens EVERYYY day and they ALLLL do it.
You guys are so isolated from the rest of the country, no wonder you have no idea what's going on.
How old are you, 16? Enjoying your loud ass [I][B][U]fucking[/U][/B][/I] scooters is okay right?
[QUOTE=arthuro12;49193636]
Successful integration doesn't mean taking someones culture from them, do you even know your own history?
BUT MUH CULTURE, get the fuck to the library please.
#HUTSPOTISNTEVENDUTCH[/QUOTE]
Wow great attempt at ad-ridiculum of what I'm saying. Is your head seriously that deep in the sand?
I'll gladly post the state of integration of muslims in the Netherlands sourced by the CBS compared to other foreigners.
Do you really think that citizens of Enschede, or a lot of Dutchmen for that part, seriously arbitrarily choose to dislike muslims and islam whilst accepting many others?
You're the dumbass here.
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Also, "cheesehead" is derogatory for the Dutch? I thought that was just Wisconsinites.
I'm pretty sure you can't read, good luck getting a job in that place :)
[QUOTE=arthuro12;49193665]1: half of fucking Enschede is unemployed.
2: yes because Muslim men refusing service from women happens EVERYYY day and they ALLLL do it.
You guys are so isolated from the rest of the country, no wonder you have no idea what's going on.
How old are you, 16? Enjoying your loud ass [I][B][U]fucking[/U][/B][/I] scooters is okay right?[/QUOTE]
Wow what a massive cascade of fallacies;
1. Ad-hominem
2. Tu quoque-fallacy
You have no idea where I live, or have lived, you have no idea of my age, and you have no idea of what I do for a living or in my free time and you have no idea on my stance of loud 'fucking' scooters.
What a joke.
Quite a mature way of having a discussion you're wielding there.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49193657]Well the people who elected their government give a fuck. Are you seriously saying you're ok with elected government actively not representing their people?
Also, muslims are terribly poorly-integrated in the Netherlands, and this doesn't help.
Secondly, no my town doesn't have churchbells. The Netherlands is actually quite secular, so yes people aren't happy about the introduction of a new and very strict religion.
Especially when there's problems of muslim men being on welfare, and refusing to pay for their groceries if there's a female behind the register. Yes there is a problem, and yes many people do give a fuck actually.[/QUOTE]
If the people's opinions are unjust then yeah? Maybe you should look deep in yourself and ask why the thought of another Mosque in your town would be a bad thing.
Sidenote: its pretty fascinating how complaining about people on Welfare has become a coded way for people to express how they don't like minorities. Super strong strategy basically copied from Conservative campaigning back in the day. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ[/media]
ITT: butthurt teens try to sound smart by using big words and generalizations.
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[QUOTE=Flameon;49193690]If the people's opinions are unjust then yeah? Maybe you should look deep in yourself and ask why the thought of another Mosque in your town would be a bad thing.
Sidenote: its pretty fascinating how complaining about people on Welfare has become a coded way for people to express how they don't like minorities. Super strong strategy basically copied from Conservative campaigning back in the day. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ[/media][/QUOTE]
Pretty fascinating how people with leftist-views complain that immigration-criticasters are generalizing and then proceed to generalize every single immigration-criticaster on no ground whatsoever.
You might not know it, but I volunteer my time at refugeeshelters (and sometimes homeless-shelters) and have done so for the last 8 years.
Besides that I'm actually what's known as a "buurtbegeleider" which mediates in conflicts in problem-area's in the city of Arnhem and Nijmegen even though I run a full-time business in Utrecht which is pretty costly since I have to drive back and forth tri-weekly.
You guys are seriously blinded by hatred, for anyone with a different opinion than you have.
I'm actually quite informed on the problems that are forming here in the Netherlands, because I experience them firsthand on a daily basis.
The problem is that people like you guys, who mean well, are also 90% of the make-up of the Dutch government who do not want to hear or see anything negative about our fellow muslim-cultured countrymen.
They'd rather be 'tolerant' and 'progressive' thus condemning the muslims-population here to a life of isolation, welfare-dependancy and criminality.
1. 63% of people incarcerated in the Netherlands is foreigners. The largest single group is those with islamic-background; 19.010 out of 50.000 are people even though they are the massive minority of the total population.
2. [url=http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/223004/48-procent-allochtonen-te-veel-allochtonen-in-nederland.html]When polled 48% of foreigners living in the Netherlands, and 65% of native Dutchmen say there are too many immigrants in the Netherlands.[/url] 60% of foreigners in the Netherlands is islamic-cultured.
You guys are seriously wrong if you think your attitude here is helping the immigrants here.
so what do you propose we do about the problem you've been spamming threads about for a few weeks now then
That is awesome that you volunteer at refugee shelters. I'm glad you are making a positive impact on people's lives when they are in need.
This isn't a character-assault debate. No one is saying 'YOU', factually you, are racist. But I think a lot of people are saying that your opinion, in this context, that its bad for another Mosque to open in your town is pretty fucked up? You shared a video of someone doing a morning prayer and didn't exactly explain what you thought was bad about it except, 1.) People don't wanna hear it, and 2.) They already have 2 mosques.
On the first bit: are people mad about all noise or a specific type of noise. And if its a specific type of noise, what about THIS nosie is bad.
On the second bit: Why does a third Mosque scare you?...
Then you kinda went on this rant how Muslim men are on welfare and sexist. So I have no idea why that came up / what you hoped to communicate by sharing that information.
[editline]26th November 2015[/editline]
[quote]They'd rather be 'tolerant' and 'progressive' thus condemning the muslims-population here to a life of isolation, welfare-dependancy and criminality.
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Isolation would be telling them they can't share their religion in public. Welfare dependancy and criminality have jack shit to do with them building another Mosque.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49193685]Wow what a massive cascade of fallacies;
1. Ad-hominem
2. Tu quoque-fallacy
You have no idea where I live, or have lived, you have no idea of my age, and you have no idea of what I do for a living or in my free time and you have no idea on my stance of loud 'fucking' scooters.
What a joke.
Quite a mature way of having a discussion you're wielding there.[/QUOTE]
Ooo Latin, that must mean you are an educated individual after all!
Judging by the way you come here to express your concern with fuck-all of a problem you make it seem so.
Personally I grew up as a foreigner in the middle of Drenthe on a farm, I know everything about integration from first hand experience.
Can't really conclude the same from you with your "refusing pay from women".
By the way, that sounds like exactly the same reaction to yours with this whole 10 minute audio tape which is a tiny bit loud in a crap part of town -thing.
Have you even sat down and drank some tea with these people? You'll know that most (if not all) Muslims who've lived here for some years don't even care about the cultural differences.
Also Hollandistan? Are you shitting me?
Come to the West if you already have a problem with a bunch of Mosques you'll absolutely love it here!
-Having difficulties believing you volunteer at refugee centres after back-paddling at terminal velocity like in the post below.
It's like you're just copy pasting things from Facebook.
[QUOTE=Flameon;49193744]That is awesome that you volunteer at refugee shelters. I'm glad you are making a positive impact on people's lives when they are in need.
This isn't a character-assault debate. No one is saying 'YOU', factually you, are racist. But I think a lot of people are saying that your opinion, in this context, that its bad for another Mosque to open in your town is pretty fucked up? You shared a video of someone doing a morning prayer and didn't exactly explain what you thought was bad about it except, 1.) People don't wanna hear it, and 2.) They already have 2 mosques.
On the first bit: are people mad about all noise or a specific type of noise. And if its a specific type of noise, what about THIS nosie is bad.
On the second bit: Why does a third Mosque scare you?...
Then you kinda went on this rant how Muslim men are on welfare and sexist. So I have no idea why that came up / what you hoped to communicate by sharing that information.
[editline]26th November 2015[/editline]
Isolation would be telling them they can't share their religion in public. Welfare dependancy and criminality have jack shit to do with them building another Mosque.[/QUOTE]
If you're willing to have a real discussion here, then I'll ask you to refrain from accusing me of being scared. I'm not working my ass off for free, to help people because I'm scared of them, ok?
And I did go into why it's bad, extensively except for you were to busy accusing and ridiculing me to see it.
First of all, the majority of people are against more mosques. Purely on democratic principles it should not have gotten through since the government is supposed to represent the people and not do whatever the hell it wants.
Second, by not being clear about what is expected from them people come here expecting to not have to do anything. I experience Syrian-refugees on a daily basis who thought they'd get free housing, and a full salary just for being here. This problem not only exists in refugees, but also people living here for 2 or 3 generations already. They come to a secular country, expecting to be met in their every wish of keeping on to their own culture, and their own language, religion and social structure. This is emphasized by Dutch local governments, and hospitals actually putting up signs in Arabic. This means people aren't encouraged nor forced to integrate and adapt to their new home... and by doing so condemning them to poverty, criminality, and them staying isolated as strangers from their fellow countrymen.
These people need help in the form of no more Islamic-schools being allowed where only arabic is spoken, and where they learn arabic-social norms which simply aren't accepted in the Netherlands. They leave schools with a sub-par level of education in an economy which is highly reliant of knowledge. Again condemning them to poverty, criminality and staying isolated...
Left-wing politicians allow segregation like this under the veil of tolerance and progressiveness but don't see that they are completely fucking up any chances these people have to function here.
[editline]27th November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=arthuro12;49193769]Ooo Latin, that must mean you are an educated individual after all!
Judging by the way you come here to express your concern with fuck-all of a problem you make it seem so. Personally I grew up as a foreigner in the middle of Drenthe on a farm, I know everything about integration from first hand experience.
[b][1][/b]Can't really conclude the same from you with your "refusing pay from women".
[b][2][/b]Have you even sat down and drank some tea with these people? You'll know that most (if not all) Muslims who've lived here for some years don't even care about the cultural differences.[/b]
Also Hollandistan? Are you shitting me?
[b][3][/b]Come to the West if you already have a problem with a bunch of Mosques you'll absolutely love it here![/b]
[b][4][/b]Having difficulties believing you volunteer at refugee centres.[/QUOTE]
[1] Well that's great, except for I work as a 'buurtvader' (or neighbourhood-father) in Arnhem and Nijmegen and I see this shit on a daily basis. The local supermarket calls me because on of the muslim immigrants in 'my' neighbourhood is refusing, again, to pay for his groceries when there's a female behind the cashregister. Then I have to talk to him for the 18th time again, that in the Netherlands it's normal for a woman to be behind a counter, and that he has to accept it if he wants to function here in the Netherlands where he simply flatout states that his religion is preventing him from ever accepting to pay a woman for groceries. You're telling me you're not seeing a massive problem with this? How is he supposed to be able to hold any job, since women are everywhere, and excuse me but I'm not putting our native Dutch women back into the kitchen to accomodate a small minority of hyper-religious immigrants. Don't tell me you think that would be the solution then?
[2] Yes and that's exactly the problem. [b]They don't care[/b], if they aren't integrated. Where I saw many other groups of foreigners actively strive to be a part of the community, the people with islamic-backgrounds actually feel like they don't have to adept at all. They don't care at all, as long as they can go to the mosque, watch Al-Jazeera and socialize with 'their own' people. Then when I tell some of them I'd gladly help them find work, instead of being dependant on welfare, they tell me it'll probably be hard to get work since they don't speak Dutch. I fucking paid for 2 of them to go follow Dutch-lessons together, and they never showed up again after the third lesson.... so again, you can see how involved I am in this, and how much is can frustrate to be attacked as if I were venting racism without any good reason whatsoever. Your guys' knee-jerk reaction to counter racism, make you attack anyone who has criticism or who is calling attention to existing problems.
[3] As I said, my business is in Utrecht, and I have cliënt all over the Netherlands. I regularly travel the world as well, and have visited Iran, Dubai and Malaysia several times. I'm not a stranger to the world, let alone strange to my own country. Thanks for the implication...
[4]Then don't believe that I volunteer. I do it to help people, not to be able to impress some left-wing jackass on some forum. I'm not insulted if you don't believe me, nor do I feel better if you do believe me. I simply have nothing to gain from you, I'm sorry.
[QUOTE=Flameon;49193634]Who. Gives. A. Fuck.
Does your town have Church bells? Does it rustle your jimmies when those ring?[/QUOTE]
Those things do not ring for nine minutes straight.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49193846]Those things do not ring for nine minutes straight.[/QUOTE]
Muslim prayers signal only takes 30 sec - 1 min MAX.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49193846]Those things do not ring for nine minutes straight.[/QUOTE]
I live in the middle of 3 of dem bastards, beautiful sight on a sunny morning or sunset but it gets old quick.
Is that time duration standard? I could agree with a shortened version.
Or maybe an App that starts blaring out those calls through phones, that would make for a great sketch too!
[QUOTE=arthuro12]Zelfs de Hollanders op dit forum lachen je uit
Oh! Maar je bent de 10% van Nederland die het beter weet?
Misschien moet je protesteren, kijken of je mede dorpsgekken kan overtuigen voordat je in een tentje doodvriest.
Succes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Arthuro12]Even the Dutchmen on this forum are laughing at you.
Oh! But you must be the 10% of the Netherlands who knows best? Maybe you should protest, and see if you can convince your fellow village-idiots before you freeze to death in a little tent.
Goodluck[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the PM Arthuro!
I see you are not taking the time to respond to the message that I just posted here, where I meticulously explain my point of view and that you instead resort to childish private-messages.
Well-done! Another discussion won for the left-wing agenda! Seriously, if you're not interested in having a debate, then don't get involved in one, child.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49193795]I fucking paid for 2 of them to go follow Dutch-lessons together, and they never showed up again after the third lesson.... [/QUOTE]
I'd do the same to you really.
Also, I'm not a lefty and definitely not a righty either.
Can't force me to pick a side really.
You have to [U]let[/U] people adjust, you complain so much about them ramming their cultures and (false) values into your throat you forget you're doing the same with them.
The culture shock you are experiencing is the same to them, if not worse.
Remember not everyone is as privileged and brave as you make yourself seem to be.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49193846]Those things do not ring for nine minutes straight.[/QUOTE]
they do where i live, certainly for a lot longer than 1 minute at any rate
[QUOTE=Sokrates;49193862]Muslim prayers signal only takes 30 sec - 1 min MAX.[/QUOTE]
All of your attempts to look experienced and understanding fall hollow when the first word you wrote was Hollandistan. In the USA, the only people who ever make anti-muslim quips ending in Stan are the blatant uneducated gun touting open-racists.
Even if you're trying to be fair and open minded as you now claim, you shouldn't expect me or anyone else to take you seriously now.
[QUOTE=arthuro12;49193880]I'd do the same to you really.
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You would also make a native inhabitant of the country you migrated to, [b]who is volunteering his time out of good-will to you[/b], [b]spend his private money[/b] on language lessons [b]for you[/b] and then not [b]show up?[/b]
Wow that's such a noble thing of you to do... guess that says more about me than about you.
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[QUOTE=bitches;49193889]All of your attempts to look experienced and understanding fall hollow when the first word you wrote was Hollandistan.[/QUOTE]
I purposely used it to attrack attention yes, but if you are that shallow then be my guest.
Judge my arguments on their merits, not on the way I got you to read them.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49193890]You would also make a native inhabitant of the country you migrated to, [B]who is volunteering his time out of good-will to you[/B], [B]spend his private money[/B] on language lessons and then not [B]show up?[/B]
Wow that's such a noble thing of you to do... guess that says more about me than about you.[/QUOTE]
Oh shiny noble white knight save me with your superior value's.
I'd do it because you act like a prick that's all I wanted to say.
And yes, I really hope you freeze because bro let's face it.. you ain't cool enough 2b multi-cultural
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[QUOTE=arthuro12;49193903]Oh shiny noble white knight save me with your superior value's.
I'd do it because you act like a prick that's all I wanted to say.[/QUOTE]
Superior values? Shiney noble?
Really you're trying way too hard there Arthuro. Again, you haven't responded to any of the points I made, accused me of being racist, and now you're faulting me for spending my personal money to help two complete strangers integrate.
I'm such a racist for helping immigrants right?
Make up your mind what you're going to attack me on, you can't have it both ways.
I'm actually the last white person in my town. Everybody else is Muslims, I don't know what kind exactly because I can't speak Muslim. Anyway, they replaced the clock tower with a minaret, there's a mosque on every streetcorner and they're blasting the call to prayer for an hour straight eight times a day. Such is life in Hollandistan.
[QUOTE=arthuro12;49193903]Oh shiny noble white knight save me with your superior value's.
I'd do it because you act like a prick that's all I wanted to say.
And yes, I really hope you freeze because bro let's face it.. you ain't cool enough 2b multi-cultural[/QUOTE]
To be fair what he's doing is more acceptable and even more generous than those people who show up advocating for Refugees/Migrants (Whichever term you prefer) but then go home after they've arrived.
I do believe that there is a considerable problem that's going to be happening in Europe as the Governments of Europe haven't actually put into use their cause of integration and rarely do so, which has caused a lot of parallel societies and people who don't appreciate the value's of Europe that have been settled in. Although geography and the small size of the nations when compared to Canada can also attest some problems.
It's also kind of awkward when you complain about his values that he upholds, which I find is rather more egalitarian than the people whom he's complaining about (Which, i'm accounting for of being true. If not true then it can easily be dismissed.) as Europe and western civilization has largely become secular and more progressive/egalitarian than other countries.
I find that the crisis that is happening to Europe is largely a shame on both sides, and I do feel that the way the governments are currently handling this crisis is largely putting the native people and the Refugees/Migrants into opposing camps, fermenting radicalism on both sides. A more acceptable approach, in my opinion, to help most of Europe isn't to implement what Canada/USA has, but rather to be more proactive and set up and fund refugee camps in areas nearby while taking an extremely small load.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49193795]
[1] Well that's great, except for I work as a 'buurtvader' (or neighbourhood-father) in Arnhem and Nijmegen and I see this shit on a daily basis. The local supermarket calls me because on of the muslim immigrants in 'my' neighbourhood is refusing, again, to pay for his groceries when there's a female behind the cashregister. Then I have to talk to him for the 18th time again, that in the Netherlands it's normal for a woman to be behind a counter, and that he has to accept it if he wants to function here in the Netherlands where he simply flatout states that his religion is preventing him from ever accepting to pay a woman for groceries. You're telling me you're not seeing a massive problem with this? How is he supposed to be able to hold any job, since women are everywhere, and excuse me but I'm not putting our native Dutch women back into the kitchen to accomodate a small minority of hyper-religious immigrants. Don't tell me you think that would be the solution then?
[2] Yes and that's exactly the problem. [b]They don't care[/b], if they aren't integrated. Where I saw many other groups of foreigners actively strive to be a part of the community, the people with islamic-backgrounds actually feel like they don't have to adept at all. They don't care at all, as long as they can go to the mosque, watch Al-Jazeera and socialize with 'their own' people. Then when I tell some of them I'd gladly help them find work, instead of being dependant on welfare, they tell me it'll probably be hard to get work since they don't speak Dutch. I fucking paid for 2 of them to go follow Dutch-lessons together, and they never showed up again after the third lesson.... so again, you can see how involved I am in this, and how much is can frustrate to be attacked as if I were venting racism without any good reason whatsoever. Your guys' knee-jerk reaction to counter racism, make you attack anyone who has criticism or who is calling attention to existing problems.
[3] As I said, my business is in Utrecht, and I have cliënt all over the Netherlands. I regularly travel the world as well, and have visited Iran, Dubai and Malaysia several times. I'm not a stranger to the world, let alone strange to my own country. Thanks for the implication...
[4]Then don't believe that I volunteer. I do it to help people, not to be able to impress some left-wing jackass on some forum. I'm not insulted if you don't believe me, nor do I feel better if you do believe me. I simply have nothing to gain from you, I'm sorry.[/QUOTE]
Kinda getting what you mean, especially with Utrecht as for my family's and my own experiences. I find it pretty weird myself that there is a noticeable amount of people of mostly Middle Eastern descent there that barely or can not speak Dutch at all. And the way the Dutch job market is at the moment, it practically puts them right at the bottom to actually ever get a job despite how hard they try otherwise. Especially since even native Dutchies have a hard time getting a job if they arn't that qualified, let alone Middle Eastern immigrants and their kids. I feel this is also due to their own descision to not integrate with the rest of the Netherlands. Most of them go to Islamic schools, which are pretty far behind other Dutch education in terms of quality and prospects. It doesn't help either that those Islamic schools had major corruption and fraud scandals over the last few years too. This also makes it way more difficult for those youths to get accepted for college, and even then, they might drop out of that early on due to their former schools not being up to par.
Furthermore, some of Utrecht's poorer neighborhoods have a significantly bigger amount of crime going on. (My late grandaunt living in one of those neighborhoods got robbed in her own apartment multiple times over the last few years.) There also seems to be a rift between the non-Islamic and Islamic citizens too. It's very far from being Molenbeek in Brussel, but still, given that a few dozen youths from Utrecht from primarily those neighborhoods went up and joined ISIS over the last few years should bring up a very valid source of concern. Radicalisation in those neighborhoods might be on the rise, and it should be concerning state security, be looked at what actually causes this. It is something that should be looked at and taken care of as soon as possible. Instead, the government has steadily ignored this for years, while it should be looked at soon so it doesn't escalate any further.
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