Donetsk separatists form "New Russia Party", adopt controversial flag, explain goals for "New Russia

[[Seed Eater]]

[quote]On March 22 in Donetsk, the founding congress of the newly formed New Russia Party (officially the Social-Political Movement – Party of New Russia) took place, led by Pavel Gubarev, paramilitary leader and self-declared ‘People’s Governor’ of the Donetsk People’s Republic. The purpose of the party, Gubarev said, was to create “a broad platform for a future political force.” He addressed the crowd with policy issues, the goals & objectives of the party, and proclaimed the foundation of a (another) new state he called New Russia – which he stated would be the party’s first goal. The second goal would be the nationalization of property owned by oligarchs who resisted the party – namely, billionaire [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1394192"]Rinat Akhmetov[/URL].

The news follows similar announcements murmured on May 6 when renegade Ukrainian MP Oleg Tsarov issued a similar declaration on the creation of a new ‘Federal Republic of New Russia,’ though details of its organization were limited and official word had been quiet since.

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Clearly being a driving political hand behind the party and new ‘confederation’, Dugin says that New Russia will be independent but part of ‘Eurasian integration’ which will facilitate a restoration of ‘Great Russia’, and essentially sees the polity as both a satellite state and key to the revival of the Russian Empire. However, he plainly states that the region won’t join the Russia Federation as Crimea did. The official party programme states it will be a sovereign federation.

Donetsk will act as the capital city of the federation, and Russian Orthodox Christianity will be given ‘special status’ as the official state religion. Ukrainian (which he refers to as ‘Little Russian’) will be the second official language. Nationalization of major industries is a must.

While the creation of the so-called Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics is considered the first phase of the project, the second phase is surprisingly said to be causing rebellion in the western Ukrainian province of Zakarpattia. The third phase is a further expansion to central and western Ukraine.

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Officially, the new national flag was presented by a speaker as a take on the St. Andrews Cross, with white representing “purity and honesty,” and red representing blood. However, most will likely see the flag for what it most ostensibly is: a near recreation of the American Confederate battle flag, a symbol which remains highly controversial in the United States and often associated with racism. The flag made its first appearance on the Facebook account of Pavel Gubarev in December, months before eastern unrest. The unofficial rationale behind the decision could be multitude: rebellion, confederacy, ‘state rights’ (regional autonomy), and a desire to provoke the U.S. (a stated enemy); of course, the reason could also be more insidious.[/quote]

[url=http://ukrainianpolicy.com/welcome-to-new-russia/]Ukranian Policy[/url]

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[Zillamaster55]

The [del]south[/del] USSR will rise again!

[Download]

I was expecting it to be a poorly hidden swastika or equivalent.

[skoinks]

Don't they realize they look absolutely preposterous?

[Zillamaster55]

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I mean jesus christ this dude looks like some super right-wing guy from the American backwoods south.

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;44895647][t]http://ukrainianpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/novopocc1-300x243.jpg[/t]

I mean jesus christ this dude looks like some super right-wing guy from the American backwoods south.[/QUOTE]

Thats because Russia is just a country full of Rednecks and white trash. Alcoholic, poor driving, racist, xenophobic, homophobic ass holes.

[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racist fuck" - Gurant))[/highlight]

[WhollyRufus]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44895707]Thats because Russia is just a country full of Rednecks and white trash. Alcoholic, poor driving, racist, xenophobic, homophobic ass holes.[/QUOTE]

You do know there are real actual Russians on this forum, don't you?

[nixnax123]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44895707]Thats because Russia is just a country full of Rednecks and white trash. Alcoholic, poor driving, racist, [B]xenophobic[/B], homophobic ass holes.[/QUOTE]

the irony is astounding

[Trunk Monkay]

[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44895720]You do know there are real actual Russians on this forum, don't you?[/QUOTE]

oh for realsies? I thought they were just fake russians my b

[OvB]

Hobopoocher

[B E A R]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44895707]Thats because Russia is just a country full of Rednecks and white trash. Alcoholic, poor driving, racist, xenophobic, homophobic ass holes.[/QUOTE]

That is very nice and educated point of view you got going on there, my ignorant American friend.

[Scot]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44895726]oh for realsies? I thought they were just fake russians my b[/QUOTE]

how dare you

[Deunan]

[QUOTE=download;44895626]I was expecting it to be a poorly hidden swastika or equivalent.[/QUOTE]

I'd say that's what the black in the crest is for in this case.

[asteroidrules]

[QUOTE=download;44895626]I was expecting it to be a poorly hidden swastika or equivalent.[/QUOTE]

I was expecting a Russian or Soviet based flag.

Glad to see these guys are broadening their horizons and taking ideas from other idiotic rebel movements.

[person12]

Russia is pretty much as bad as the United States, both of which are only slightly worse than France and England, etc.

We all have racist asshole parties.

[Sobotnik]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44895707]Thats because Russia is just a country full of Rednecks and white trash. Alcoholic, poor driving, racist, xenophobic, homophobic ass holes.[/QUOTE]

much like the US south

[tempcon]

[QUOTE=download;44895626]I was expecting it to be a poorly hidden swastika or equivalent.[/QUOTE]

Probably because you are clueless as to what's going on in east ukraine.

[purvisdavid1]

lol let's revive Czarist terms and hide it behind a "people's" revolution.

[editline]24th May 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=Conscript;44896138]Probably because you are clueless as to what's going on in east ukraine.[/QUOTE]

Are you clueless to the fact that it was a joke? Calm down.

[editline]24th May 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44896092]much like the US south[/QUOTE]

I'd make the wager that some parts of England are like this. Quit acting like stupidity comes from nationality and geography.

[Zakk]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44895707]Thats because Russia is just a country full of Rednecks and white trash. Alcoholic, poor driving, racist, xenophobic, homophobic ass holes.[/QUOTE]

If you're trying to refer to my home of Alabama, you're pretty far off.

[editline]24th May 2014[/editline]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44896092]much like the US south[/QUOTE]

Again, not all of us.
You dingus.

[Araknid]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44895707]Thats because Russia is just a country full of Rednecks and white trash. Alcoholic, poor driving, racist, xenophobic, homophobic ass holes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44895726]oh for realsies? I thought they were just fake russians my b[/QUOTE]

my god, you really are a really shitty poster

[Antianan]

[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44895720]You do know there are real actual Russians on this forum, don't you?[/QUOTE]

And being a russian, i can fully approve his point.
1)I'm a redneck, because i got a pretty nice red tan on my neck a couple of days ago.
2) I'm white, because...well, i'm white.
3) I'm alcoholic, because I drink vodka!!1
4)I'm poor at driving, because i don't have a license at all.
5)I'm racist, because I hate everyone (that means i'm a superracist in fact!).
6)I'm xenophobic and homophobic because of the previous statement ( see number 5).
7)And finally, i'm an asshole. Well, partially. I mean, everyone has this thing, so partially we all are assholes.

Seeeeee??

[tempcon]

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;44896150]
Are you clueless to the fact that it was a joke? Calm down.[/QUOTE]

Yea let's joke about the people who suffered most from fascism putting up a flag of independence against their collaborator descendants, about expecting it to be a 'swastika'. Especially in light of things like the Donetsk letter hoax, and Western attempts to paint Russia as Hitler.

Maidan fascists had that covered anyway way back in February in Kiev, it hardly got any notice:

Neo-nazi banners and portrait of Stepan Bandera, mass murderer of Poles, Russians, and Jews (usually by strangling):
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73421000/jpg/_73421594_council.jpg[/img]
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26468720[/url]

Actual Confederate flag and White nationalist symbols:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-dHVZTtTxQ#t=12[/url]

I don't even need to cite the swastika among the Galician nazis, that and the Wulfsangel is in abundance.

here, have more:

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yqj_ie4mMCc/Uupls0bweWI/AAAAAAAADIo/MjXUTrVvjVQ/s1600/neonazis+fascists+ukraine.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img.ntv.ru/home/news/20140114/_______.jpg[/img]

[img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1463592_466421783478899_2134410469_n.jpg[/img]

[turing]

[QUOTE=Conscript;44896648]Yea let's joke about the people who suffered most from fascism putting up a flag of independence against their collaborator descendants, about expecting it to be a 'swastika'. Especially in light of things like the Donetsk letter hoax, and Western attempts to paint Russia as Hitler.

Maidan fascists had that covered anyway way back in February in Kiev, it hardly got any notice:

Neo-nazi banners and portrait of Stepan Bandera, mass murderer of Poles, Russians, and Jews (usually by strangling):
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73421000/jpg/_73421594_council.jpg[/img]
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26468720[/url]

Actual Confederate flag and White nationalist symbols:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-dHVZTtTxQ#t=12[/url]

I don't even need to cite the swastika among the Galician nazis, that and the Wulfsangel is in abundance.

here, have more:

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yqj_ie4mMCc/Uupls0bweWI/AAAAAAAADIo/MjXUTrVvjVQ/s1600/neonazis+fascists+ukraine.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img.ntv.ru/home/news/20140114/_______.jpg[/img]

[img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1463592_466421783478899_2134410469_n.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

every single country has neo-nazi assholes but they are alwasy a minority, same thing in Kiev

Svaboda/Right Sector and all other neo-nazi dickhead make lots of noise and attract attention, but they don't have any real power.

for example in the upcoming election Poroshenko is expected to win and he is absolutely anti bandera-worship

[Sobotnik]

[QUOTE=Conscript;44896648]
I don't even need to cite the swastika among the Galician nazis, that and the Wulfsangel is in abundance.

here, have more:

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yqj_ie4mMCc/Uupls0bweWI/AAAAAAAADIo/MjXUTrVvjVQ/s1600/neonazis+fascists+ukraine.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

whats wrong with burning the flag

[Explosions]

[QUOTE=Conscript;44896648]Yea let's joke about the people who suffered most from fascism putting up a flag of independence against their collaborator descendants, about expecting it to be a 'swastika'. Especially in light of things like the Donetsk letter hoax, and Western attempts to paint Russia as Hitler.[/QUOTE]

You're really overreacting to a dumb joke.

[Timebomb575]

[QUOTE=Conscript;44896648]Yea let's joke about the people who suffered most from fascism putting up a flag of independence against their collaborator descendants, about expecting it to be a 'swastika'. Especially in light of things like the Donetsk letter hoax, and Western attempts to paint Russia as Hitler.

Maidan fascists had that covered anyway way back in February in Kiev, it hardly got any notice:

Neo-nazi banners and portrait of Stepan Bandera, mass murderer of Poles, Russians, and Jews (usually by strangling):
[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73421000/jpg/_73421594_council.jpg[/img]
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26468720[/url]

Actual Confederate flag and White nationalist symbols:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-dHVZTtTxQ#t=12[/url]

I don't even need to cite the swastika among the Galician nazis, that and the Wulfsangel is in abundance.

here, have more:
[/QUOTE]

wow its like Im really reading a Russia Today article!

[Boba_Fett]

A CSA flag ripoff was probably the last flag I was expecting to be completely honest.

[WhollyRufus]

It's ironic because during the American Civil War Russia was decidedly sympathetic to the Union.

[URL="http://www.voltairenet.org/article169488.html"]http://www.voltairenet.org/article169488.html[/URL]

[tempcon]

[QUOTE=Turing;44896897]every single country has neo-nazi assholes but they are alwasy a minority, same thing in Kiev

Svaboda/Right Sector and all other neo-nazi dickhead make lots of noise and attract attention, but they don't have any real power.

for example in the upcoming election Poroshenko is expected to win and he is absolutely anti bandera-worship[/QUOTE]

lmao you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you even know anything about the relations between the interim PMs & the rest of the Yanukovych opposition with the far right? You are talking out of your ass, the pro-eu 'liberals' in the Rada are on board with all sorts of nationalist reforms, Poroshenko's election would change nothing.

Also, lol'd hard when you said Svoboda has no 'real power', and right sector has already killed people so you are just naive.

[POLOPOZOZO]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44895707]Thats because Russia is just a country full of Rednecks and white trash. Alcoholic, poor driving, racist, xenophobic, homophobic ass holes.[/QUOTE]
Good thing no ignorant boob ever says that kind of stuff about America huh