Orange Coast College Student Threatened With Expulsion After Recording Professor’s Anti-Trump Tirade - Polidicks

[quote]A college professor went off on president-elect Donald Trump in her Orange Coast College class. There are now threats of expulsion and threats of legal action. CBS2’s Stacey Butler listened to the controversial rant. The human sexuality teacher — Olga Perez Stable Cox — called Trump’s election “an act of terrorism.” “Our nation is divided. We have been assaulted. It is an act of terrorism,” she told the students. She added, “One of the most frightening things for me, and most people in my life, is that the people who are committing the assault are among us.” That was part of the teacher’s rant about Trump. One student was so offended by the speech, he recorded it with his cellphone. She also criticized Trump’s cabinet picks, advisers and the vice president-elect. “A white supremacist and a vice president that is one of the most anti-gay humans in this country,” she said. “At this point it’s not even education anymore, its indoctrination,” said Josh Recalde-Martinez, a member of the school’s Young Republicans Club. The group filed a formal complaint about the professor’s rant. Another student complained about the teacher on RateMyTeacher.com. “I felt censored and bullied if I did not agree with her opinions,” the student wrote. Political opinions she shared in-depth with the class. “We are way beyond Republicans and Democrats, and we’re really back to being in a civil war,” she said, “and I don’t mean it in a fighting way, but our nation is divided as clearly as it was in civil war times.” Recalde-Martinez posted the teacher’s rant on his Facebook page. It has 18,000 views and hundreds of comments. Thursday night, the professor’s union posted a warning on its page. It condemned the student who recorded the video saying, “This is an illegal recording without the permission of the instructor. The student will be identified and may be facing legal action.” “They wanted it to be known so that maybe we would get scared and take down the video. But to the union I want to say we are not gonna be doing that,” said Recalde-Martinez. “The unions are acting like thugs, like bullies themselves,” said attorney Shawn Steel. The attorney is also the Republican National Committeeman from California. He volunteered to represent the Young Republicans. He said the student who shot the video is afraid he may be suspended or expelled with only a week left in the semester. “Every student knows it. If you stand up to your professor, 90 percent of the time the professor’s going to punish you,” said Steel. [/quote] [media]https://youtu.be/C5wUAaIdF6c[/media] [url]http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/12/08/orange-coast-college-student-threatened-with-expulsion-after-recording-professors-anti-trump-tirade/[/url]

from my experience, college ethics, philosophy and civics teachers tend to hold their opinions higher than the rest of their students and you shouldn't make a fuss about it, especially since you're only in their class for at most 2 hours a week theres no chance hes going to get expelled though, the title is once again sensationalized. the union cant do shit either but they shouldn't be threatening students

its in the schools code of conduct that recording footage in the classroom is prohibited. id imagine doubly so if the video in question is then posted on facebook. its pretty obvious why the kid is facing punishment and its not because he supports trump

Well, you shouldn't be recording without consent, but I sure as hell wouldn't be okay with paying for a class and getting political opinions instead.

Regardless of whether his recording is ""legal"" or not the stuff she's saying is generally insane and not productive at all. I would feel uncomfortable if someone started ranting extreme views in a classroom, regardless of what they were.

I hate preachy teachers like this. Especially when it has literally nothing to do with the subject.

[QUOTE=Sableye;51665394][B]from my experience, college ethics, philosophy and civics teachers tend to hold their opinions higher than the rest of their students and you shouldn't make a fuss about it, especially since you're only in their class for at most 2 hours a week[/B][/QUOTE] So basically keep your head down and don't stand up for your beliefs? Professors typically aren't allowed to be using university resources to push a political opinion/agenda.

[QUOTE=Sableye;51665394]from my experience, college ethics, philosophy and civics teachers tend to hold their opinions higher than the rest of their students and you shouldn't make a fuss about it, especially since you're only in their class for at most 2 hours a week theres no chance hes going to get expelled though, the title is once again sensationalized. the union cant do shit either but they shouldn't be threatening students[/QUOTE] I don't think someone in a teacher or professor's position should be using it as a political soapbox. How else can one expect to have objective discussions when your supposed moderator stands firmly on one side.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;51665473]So basically keep your head down and don't stand up for your beliefs? Professors typically aren't allowed to be using university resources to push a political opinion/agenda.[/QUOTE] Do it through proper channels?

Professors aren't supposed to be handing out political views like this but that's why you go through the appropriate departments to report them. You don't break code of conduct and record them, especially if phone recordings aren't allowed as per school rules or the professor's syllabus. He's getting punished for that. Which is entirely fair.

A) Thats the professors union not the school saying that. B) Is it a two party consent state? C) Aww did the snowflake get offended? Does he need a safespace where no one will question god emperor trump? If they do get suspended or expelled by the school for questionable reasons (excluding if it is a two party consent state / explicitly in the syllabus) then that is a bad thing. Right now it seems like it is just the professors union spouting off some hot air and the kid playing the poor little republican victim me :( response.

[QUOTE=Dolton;51665612]A) Thats the professors union not the school saying that. B) Is it a two party consent state? C) Aww did the snowflake get offended? Does he need a safespace where no one will question god emperor trump? If they do get suspended or expelled by the school for questionable reasons (excluding if it is a two party consent state / explicitly in the syllabus) then that is a bad thing. Right now it seems like it is just the professors union spouting off some hot air and the kid playing the poor little republican victim me :( response.[/QUOTE] maybe stop hating republicans as a kneejerk response and realize that the professor is teaching a human sexuality class but whining about the president elect. Human sexuality isn't related to politics at all and for the teacher to go on an unrelated rant during class time is inappropriate.

My sociology teacher was worse. She'd actively call students in our class "fucking stupid" and explicitly said that teachers should be using their positions to promote political views and pushing their students in to certain beliefs. She also hops between universities every five years because none of them will give her tenure. About three weeks before our class ended, she announced that she was leaving the university and country to go to a UK university. Of course this was after she had spent the previous month talking about her book publishing and her meetings with the tenure committee. She had only spent five years there, having left her previous university, where she was an alumni, after five years working there too.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51665663]maybe stop hating republicans as a kneejerk response and realize that the professor is teaching a human sexuality class but whining about the president elect. Human sexuality isn't related to politics at all and for the teacher to go on an unrelated rant during class time is inappropriate.[/QUOTE] I honestly wouldn't bat an eye if that prof were fired, but at the same time rules is rules, he should've complied with whatever university policy exists regarding filing complaints about shit instructors rather than blowing his load and making illicit recordings to upload to the internet.

[QUOTE=froztshock;51665680]I honestly wouldn't bat an eye if that prof were fired, but at the same time rules is rules, he should've complied with whatever university policy exists regarding filing complaints about shit instructors rather than blowing his load and making illicit recordings to upload to the internet.[/QUOTE] Uploading to the internet I disagree with, but recording her and submitting the video to her superiors to build a case as to how inappropriate her behavior is for someone in her academic position could be a justifiable reason to break that rule.

A class on human sexuality seems rather odd, what kind of major does that go toward?

[QUOTE=Sableye;51665394]from my experience, college ethics, philosophy and civics teachers tend to hold their opinions higher than the rest of their students and you shouldn't make a fuss about it, especially since you're only in their class for at most 2 hours a week theres no chance hes going to get expelled though, the title is once again sensationalized. the union cant do shit either but they shouldn't be threatening students[/QUOTE] I had my philosophy teacher for close to 2 years during topics of consciousness, which science has a very reductionist view of. Didn't once voice his thoughts of it, and boy was I surprised when I found out he actually was a pastor for a small town church.

[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;51665691]Uploading to the internet I'd disagree with, but recording her and submitting the video to her superiors to build a case as to how inappropriate her behavior is for someone in her academic position could be a justifiable reason to break that rule.[/QUOTE] Perhaps, especially if the administration refused to take action at first, and I'd still just have to shrug and shake my head if they caught him in the process.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51665701]A class on human sexuality seems rather odd, what kind of major does that go toward?[/QUOTE] Psychology or sociology I'd imagine. Anthropology? Could also be used for an elective.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51665701]A class on human sexuality seems rather odd, what kind of major does that go toward?[/QUOTE] Sociology is my first guess, Psych my second, Anthropology third.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51665663][...] Human sexuality isn't related to politics at all and for the teacher to go on an unrelated rant during class time is inappropriate.[/QUOTE] By nature it isn't in itself, but it has been politicised for ages now. You can't deny that. I'm not going to go into whether or not her rant was right or wrong. Some candidates picked by the President Elect though can have very strong and oppositional views on same sex marriage.

[QUOTE=Kazumi;51665715]By nature it isn't in itself, but it has been politicised for ages now. You can't deny that. I'm not going to go into whether or not her rant was right or wrong. Some candidates picked by the President Elect though can have very strong and oppositional views on same sex marriage.[/QUOTE] Really depends on what they focus in the class. If it's human sexuality as part of a psychology course, then it really has no bearings on politics. If it's a human sexuality course in regards to sociology, then it does.

[QUOTE=Kazumi;51665715]By nature it isn't in itself, but it has been politicised for ages now. You can't deny that. I'm not going to go into whether or not her rant was right or wrong. Some candidates picked by the President Elect though can have very strong and oppositional views on same sex marriage.[/QUOTE] It has been politicized but in a class discussing the theory of human sexuality, politics shouldn't be focused on.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51665724]Really depends on what they focus in the class. If it's human sexuality as part of a psychology course, then it really has no bearings on politics. If it's a human sexuality course in regards to sociology, then it does.[/QUOTE] Likely just a broad, generic one for all of the above that Pascall and I listed, as well as maybe some others.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;51665673] I've honestly can't tell if a lot of Trump supporters are sensitive or not sometimes from what I see on the net and in real life. [/QUOTE] Well I think the student should get reprimanded for breaking a pretty standard policy and not going through proper channels. Even a bigger idiot for not uploading it on a anonymous account. But now that the video is out, I think most people know in a college classroom something like this is just uncomfortable for most students since it doesn't pertain to what they are teaching.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51665734]It has been politicized but in a class discussing the theory of human sexuality, politics shouldn't be focused on.[/QUOTE] Well then you report them to the proper authorities. Taking a video and sharing it does nothing, especially if it's against the rules as I could imagine.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51665734]It has been politicized but in a class discussing the theory of human sexuality, politics shouldn't be focused on.[/QUOTE] And I agree. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51665724]Really depends on what they focus in the class. If it's human sexuality as part of a psychology course, then it really has no bearings on politics. If it's a human sexuality course in regards to sociology, then it does.[/QUOTE] I was only responding no the statement that sexuality was not politicised. Not the class nor her motives.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;51665473]So basically keep your head down and don't stand up for your beliefs? Professors typically aren't allowed to be using university resources to push a political opinion/agenda.[/QUOTE] no i didnt say that, im just saying from my personal experience no matter what you argue, the professor will still put their opinion above yours i had an ethics professor who had this rediculous question about someone who believed chemicals are bad and not natural who became a chemist, its rediculous because thats like a christian scientist becoming a neurosurgeon but he wouldnt see it any other way. someone going into chemistry would not hold that view on fucking chemistry in the end though, he was the published ethics professor and Im just the undergrad so hes going to continue asking rediculous unrealistic hypotheticals i also had an engineering ethics class that routinely devolved into a back and forth on socialism, conservatism, and hypocrisy

[QUOTE=Sableye;51665917]no i didnt say that, im just saying from my personal experience no matter what you argue, the professor will still put their opinion above yours i had an ethics professor who had this rediculous question about someone who believed chemicals are bad and not natural who became a chemist, its rediculous because thats like a christian scientist becoming a neurosurgeon but he wouldnt see it any other way. someone going into chemistry would not hold that view on fucking chemistry in the end though, he was the published ethics professor and Im just the undergrad so hes going to continue asking rediculous unrealistic hypotheticals i also had an engineering ethics class that routinely devolved into a back and forth on socialism, conservatism, and hypocrisy[/QUOTE] wow, sounds like the interchange of ideas that's supposed to happen in a learning place like a university. of course it's a little off topic but classes can get boring af so who cares [editline]13th January 2017[/editline] nah jk its all LIBRUL INDOCTRINATION

[QUOTE=Dolton;51665612]B) Is it a two party consent state?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law[/url] Looks like it is so regardless of whether the teacher was in the wrong for going on a completely unrelated political tirade in class the student was even more in the wrong for handling the situation wrong.