Godwin's Law in play from the start: Japanese Dep. Prime Minister retracts comments suggesting Japan - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23527300"]Japan Deputy PM Taro Aso retracts Nazi comments[/URL] [QUOTE]Japan's Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso has retracted remarks suggesting that the country could learn from Nazi Germany's constitutional reform. Mr Aso said on Monday Japan could "learn the technique" Nazi Germany used to change the Weimar constitution. The remarks come amid debate in Japan over its pacifist constitution, which restricts the military to a self-defence role. Mr Aso's comments drew criticism from neighbouring China and South Korea. "I retract my remarks in which I cited the Nazis as an example, as it has ended up leading to misunderstanding," Mr Aso, who is also finance minister and a former prime minister, told reporters on Thursday. "It is clear from all my remarks that I have an extremely negative view of the events involving the Nazis and the Weimar constitution." Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga told reporters: "I want to make it clear that the [Prime Minister Shinzo] Abe cabinet will never view the Nazi government positively". On Monday, Mr Aso had said in a speech that: "The German Weimar constitution changed, without being noticed, to the Nazi German constitution. Why don't we learn from their tactics?"[/QUOTE] Given that this is the guy who suggested that old people should hurry up and die to ease the burden of the pension system, I'm surprised he backed down. :v:

he's not going to last long... japan won't tolerate this as they don't want another hirohito.

My, God?

Keep in mind, these remarks and [B]seemingly positive references to Nazi Germany's constitutional transition[/B] come at a time when there is a push to amend/alter Japan's constitution to allow its military forces to be used beyond the strict self-defense currently allowed.

Hitler was good with education reforms, and making technology affordable for everyday Germans.. I can see why Japan is interested..

[QUOTE=Bradyns;41670494]Hitler was good with education reforms, and making technology affordable for everyday Germans.. I can see why Japan is interested..[/QUOTE] He also solved unemployment, reunited many of the former german lands of the HRE, and there was a successful, state sponsored population boom for like three years...Wonder what happened to that.

Also please retract your governments moves to remove article 9 of the japanese constitution

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;41670593]Also please retract your governments moves to remove article 9 of the japanese constitution[/QUOTE] But why?

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;41670593]Also please retract your governments moves to remove article 9 of the japanese constitution[/QUOTE] Because a sovereign nation totally shouldn't the rights of one, right?

I'm pretty sure he wasn't referring to the policies or reforms of Nazi Germany, but rather their decision to disobey the terms of the treaty of Versailles.

[QUOTE=Gordy H.;41675437]I'm pretty sure he wasn't referring to the policies or reforms of Nazi Germany, but rather their decision to disobey the terms of the treaty of Versailles.[/QUOTE] What I'm presuming he intended to express was that the constitutional reforms from the Weimar constitution to the Nazi constitution progressed fairly efficiently. This is in the context of an anything-but-efficient-or-smooth constitutional discussion over the role and limitations of the SDF. However, even leaving Nazis out of the picture, I believe it's quite understandable that there would be alarm and concern raised over the second-highest politician implying he wishes there wasn't so much argument and discussion over this and he'd really like it if everyone would just shut up and let the government have their way and take the muzzle off the SDF. If anything, that's reason for [B]even more[/B] debate and discussion over the appropriateness of this measure.

This is literally shaping up the exact same way hitler started ww2. As in desperate living conditions, beginning to ask for a less rescricted army after a heavy-handed treaty was given to them, pushing the rules.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;41670494]Hitler was good with education reforms, and making technology affordable for everyday Germans.. I can see why Japan is interested..[/QUOTE] but [i]Oh no, it's the nazi's! they're evil! We can't trust a single thing they say and oh my god they killed millions of jews![/i] Not saying that Hitler did nothing wrong (come on bro, you're pretty fucked. Don't be killing people) but simply because it was done by the Nazi's (constitutional reform) nobody will tolerate any of it. I'm not sure if it's because we're insensitive or we're really butthurt that an enemy we beat MIGHT actually have some words of wisdom. Also, to be fair Japanese politics is mainly flying by the seat of your pants. Say ONE wrong thing and they'll vote your ass out.

Taro Aso's kind of well-known in the LDP for making tons of blunders when speaking. He's a bit of a racist too, especially against the Koreans and Brazilians. He claimed for example that Japan was the only truly homogenous country in the world, which of course is false when at least 3.5% of its population is 'non-Japanese' (that is, naturalized citizens + Zainichi Koreans + Chinese + Brazilians/Peruvians, even if they are still ethnically Japanese), and a lot of its culture is influenced by other Western countries. And he's a Catholic too, of all things.

[QUOTE=Megafan;41678945]Japan was the only truly homogenous country in the world, which of course is false when at least 3.5% of its population is 'non-Japanese'[/QUOTE] If that doesn't make them homogenous Sweden must be multikulti-paradise and USA multikultopia.

[QUOTE=Megafan;41678945]He claimed for example that Japan was the only truly homogenous country in the world, which of course is false when at least 3.5% of its population is 'non-Japanese' (that is, naturalized citizens + Zainichi Koreans + Chinese + Brazilians/Peruvians, even if they are still ethnically Japanese), and a lot of its culture is influenced by other Western countries.[/QUOTE] This isn't new. In the 80s, the government declared that the Japanese people were one people. Sorry, Ainu, you guys don't exist. Sorry Zainichi and other post-war Japan-born ethnic minorities, we can't hear you over the sound of how Japanese you are (until you start asking for certain rights, then we see fit to draw exclusionary distinctions).

[QUOTE=lanhacker1488;41679444]If that doesn't make them homogenous Sweden must be multikulti-paradise and USA multikultopia.[/QUOTE] Well the US is very diverse compared to many other countries in the world. [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;41679524]This isn't new. In the 80s, the government declared that the Japanese people were one people. Sorry, Ainu, you guys don't exist. Sorry Zainichi and other post-war Japan-born ethnic minorities, we can't hear you over the sound of how Japanese you are (until you start asking for certain rights, then we see fit to draw exclusionary distinctions).[/QUOTE] Well I'm always wary of saying "the government said this" because that could be anything from the government passing a law about it to a one-off minister running his mouth.

[QUOTE=Megafan;41679689]Well I'm always wary of saying "the government said this" because that could be anything from the government passing a law about it to a one-off minister running his mouth.[/QUOTE] They kinda only acknowledged that the Ainu were a distinct indigenous people in 1997, and it wasn't until 2008 that they were officially recognized as a people in terms of protecting culture and land rights. [URL="http://www.queensu.ca/mcp/indigenouspeople/evidence-1/Japan.html"](source)[/URL] And, my original statement contains a massive error caused by a minor initial error. That didn't happen in the 1980s as I've believed all this time since learning about it. Hnnuuuuuurrrrrrr. Instead, what I should be referring to, with all of the changes in meaning and context that come with it, is the Hokkaido Former Aborigines Protection Act of [B]1899[/B], where the Japanese government decided "haha shut up and get fucked" was the best response to petitions for recognition. So... much less mud-slinging on the governments in power during more recent memory. Mea culpa. But, yeah. Until rather recently, the policy was "get fucked, Ainu," and for some the sentiment never died, it just expanded to all the smelly gaijin coming in to take their jerbs.

i hate how in every thread about hitler or nazi germany people come in saying "well hitler was a pretty good leader! he did x and y and helped the german people minus all the holocaust stuff" nah, hitler was pretty inept as a leader. he was good at rallying support, but his policies were unsustainable and only initially successful since he used money stolen from jews and other undesirables to pay for it. germany's economy would collapse in the long run.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41679996]i hate how in every thread about hitler or nazi germany people come in saying "well hitler was a pretty good leader! he did x and y and helped the german people minus all the holocaust stuff" nah, hitler was pretty inept as a leader. he was good at rallying support, but his policies were unsustainable and only initially successful since he used money stolen from jews and other undesirables to pay for it. germany's economy would collapse in the long run.[/QUOTE] [B]WRONG[/B]. Hitler was a great leader. He had an incredibly modern fashion-sense, in fact the clothing is still being praised in our time. It is perhaps because of his masterful artistic skill. An artist would know what looks good and bad. Since young he understood how to take care of his body and was therefore a vegetarian. This fact proves how intelligent he was and also that he was aware of the suffering from farm animals. Hitler was not only liked among men and women. But children and animals loved him. And he loved them back equally. He turned a broken Germany into a strong country in ways only a leader like him could pull off. In a way it was the ultimate "American-dream" history. Born in some small village in Austria, being some unknown private during WWI but ending up as the leader of Germany. Maybe he can thank his incredible looks for the achievements or perhaps his God-like speech delivering skills. No matter what, Hitler was a great leader. [B]But of course, as any human being, Hitler had some minor flaws that sometimes would appear when he was in a bad mood. [/B]The end.

Sometimes I wish the whole holocaust/hating jews didn't happen because it really gives national socialism a bad name which is pretty unfair right? [editline]2nd August 2013[/editline] Whoops, got my stormfront and facepunch tabs mixed up

The Jews fear the Samurai

[QUOTE=Swebonny;41680357]*hitler*[/QUOTE] I will say this. Hitler had a simple dream: A perfect world. Unfortunately for millions of victims in the concentration camps and ghettoes, and the millions more killed in all sides of WW2, he felt that such a perfect world was an Aryan one, and there were certain divisions of the population that were incompatible with such a perfect Aryan world. Oh, and there was the small issue of how to go about resolving this dilemma. Hitler, not a bad guy if you ignore the worst parts. :v:

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;41680571]I Unfortunately for millions of victims in the concentration camps and ghettoes, and the millions more killed [/QUOTE] muh six jewzillion!!

[QUOTE=lanhacker1488;41680840]muh six jewzillion!![/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/sunday-review/the-holocaust-just-got-more-shocking.html?_r=0"]Possibly as high as 20 million.[/URL]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41679996]i hate how in every thread about hitler or nazi germany people come in saying "well hitler was a pretty good leader! he did x and y and helped the german people minus all the holocaust stuff" nah, hitler was pretty inept as a leader. he was good at rallying support, but his policies were unsustainable and only initially successful since he used money stolen from jews and other undesirables to pay for it. germany's economy would collapse in the long run.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://puu.sh/3RFjW.jpg[/IMG] EDIT: If there was a smaller image, I would use it. Normally, I wouldn't use something like this to make my point (/pol/ being what it is), but it is what it is.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41679996] nah, hitler was pretty inept as a leader. he was good at rallying support, but his policies were unsustainable and only initially successful since he used money stolen from jews and other undesirables to pay for it. germany's economy would collapse in the long run.[/QUOTE] The country became powerful but the common peoples quality of life got much worse, especially during the war.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41670537]He also solved unemployment, reunited many of the former german lands of the HRE, and there was a successful, state sponsored population boom for like three years...Wonder what happened to that.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure he did all this by turning Germany into a war machine.

[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;41681492][B]Jews caused World War 2.jpg[/B][/QUOTE] Was that really what you wanted to present as your argument? Also, holy shit, learn how to thumbnail. [ t ] is your friend, just collapse the spacing.

[QUOTE=SaltyWaters;41681492] EDIT: If there was a smaller image, I would use it. Normally, I wouldn't use something like this to make my point (/pol/ being what it is), but it is what it is.[/QUOTE] sry but im a bit skeptical of a source that uses the term "world jewry" to describe the world economy.