Man kills 6 family members, was heading to grandparents' house when police caught him. (Houston, TX) - Polidicks

[QUOTE] Four children and two adults were fatally shot Wednesday outside of Houston. The shooter, Ron Lee Haskell, 33, surrendered hours later after a car chase and an hours-long standoff with police in a neighboring cul-de-sac. The Harris County Sheriff’s Office held a news conference at 5:30 this morning and identified the victims. Among the deceased are two females ages 6 and 9, two males ages 4 and 13, and two adults, a 34-year-old female and a 39-year-old male. Assistant Chief Deputy for the Precinct 4 Harris County constable Mark Herman[URL="http://www.chron.com/neighborhood/spring/news/article/Fatal-Spring-shooting-leaves-5-dead-suspect-5610401.php?cmpid=bna"] confirmed[/URL] that authorities responded to a report of a handgun shooting around 6 p.m. in the 700 block of Leaflet Lane in Spring, a neighborhood 25 miles outside of Houston. When authorities arrived on the scene, five were dead and two others had suffered gunshot wounds to the head. The two in critical condition were taken to the hospital, where one died on the scene. [/QUOTE] I will never understand how any person could do this, especially to their own family. Source: [url]http://www.newsweek.com/man-slaughters-6-family-members-houston-area-shooting-258224[/url]

I take solace in the fact that this monster is gonna get killed in prison for harming children

They say in the article it could have been a domestic issue which went south. But more on this if they decide to release further information after interrogating him.

selfish savage, i truly hope he rots

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;45349713]I take solace in the fact that this monster is gonna get killed in prison for harming children[/QUOTE] What a sickening thing to "take solace" in.

[QUOTE=Explosions;45349995]What a sickening thing to "take solace" in.[/QUOTE] I really must just have a different thought process when it comes to this stuff. I don't get the stigma behind putting down murderers at all. I mean shit, we kill dogs for less, and dogs are almost exclusively behaviorally driven. To me, a guy who murders six people, four children included, has thoroughly demonstrated that his right to life is forfeit.

[QUOTE=CommieTurtle;45350063]I really must just have a different thought process when it comes to this stuff. I don't get the stigma behind putting down murderers at all. To me, a guy who murders six people, four children included, has thoroughly demonstrated that his right to life is forfeit.[/QUOTE] That depends on whether or not he was clinically mentally ill at the time of commission, and probably not even then if that's the case. As I said, all the details aren't yet known.

[QUOTE=Explosions;45349995]What a sickening thing to "take solace" in.[/QUOTE] actually, doesnt texas still have the death penalty? this guy'll probably get it

Talk about taking a chainsaw to the whole fucking tree... also who here is ready for a roarin debate about morality and the death penalty? I can't wait. My favorite part is when those in support of capital punishment are called psychopaths and monsters and told to get help and never have children. And sometimes, ironically enough, told to kill themselves.

I personally believe that if you pick up a weapon with intent to harm the innocent or unarmed and actually DO IT then you lose that human piece and have no place in society, law enforcement should show no mercy for folks who do this shit.

[QUOTE=Explosions;45349995]What a sickening thing to "take solace" in.[/QUOTE] I often wonder if the people who post these kind of posts have little to no empathy, if you put yourself in one of the families members or someone else close to the victims shoes who remain alive, would you not wish the same? I guess it's easier to take the moral high ground, not necessarily a bad thing though since you can make more rational decisions about what kind of crime the perpetrator should receive. Though in this case when such a heinous crime has been committed, it's clear rehabilitation is not an option so perhaps the people close to the family should have a better say in what happens to the criminal since he has forfeited most if not all of his rights and should receive what ever punishment they see fit, so long as it's not torture.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vqgSfmykQI[/media] I wonder what drives people to do stuff like this. They must be so disconnected from reality during the act.

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;45351137]I often wonder if the people who post these kind of posts have little to no empathy,[/QUOTE] Psychopaths and serial killers don't just appear out of thin air. What drives someone to that is usually something outside of their control, usually a shit household, sometimes head injuries.

i remmeber reading about some guy who one day killed his entire family out of the blue and left them there in his house for a few days before he finally went and turned himself in its crazy how people can do this sort of thing

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;45351137]I often wonder if the people who post these kind of posts have little to no empathy, if you put yourself in one of the families members or someone else close to the victims shoes who remain alive, would you not wish the same? I guess it's easier to take the moral high ground, not necessarily a bad thing though since you can make more rational decisions about what kind of crime the perpetrator should receive. Though in this case when such a heinous crime has been committed, it's clear rehabilitation is not an option so perhaps the people close to the family should have a better say in what happens to the criminal since he has forfeited most if not all of his rights and should receive what ever punishment they see fit, so long as it's not torture.[/QUOTE] All of that is totally irrelavent. The justice system is not designed for vengeance, for retribution and it shouldn't be because those emotions do not serve any higher purpose than personal emotional catharsis that only occurs in some people. There is nothing that killing a murderer does to relieve that families pain. Nothing. if they do take solace in it, that's their emotions, but the same thing could be done by not asking for blood. I often wonder when people say things like this if they think the justice system that rules the country should be as hot tempered and as short sighted as the people making these statements are.

[QUOTE=ColdWave;45350792]I personally believe that if you pick up a weapon with intent to harm the innocent or unarmed and actually DO IT then you lose that human piece and have no place in society, law enforcement should show no mercy for folks who do this shit.[/QUOTE] You can't control who 'law enforcement' considers 'folks who do this shit' are. That's why we have courts, juries, lawyers...all that stuff. You really think a cop who writes traffic tickets as the main part of his day is qualified to impose an immediate death sentence on people? I don't.

I cant imagine how that girl must be feeling. Shes the only survivor of this whole ordeal. :(

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;45351137]Though in this case when such a heinous crime has been committed, it's clear rehabilitation is not an option[/QUOTE] I'm afraid you're not the judge of that.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45351515]All of that is totally irrelavent. The justice system is not designed for vengeance, for retribution and it shouldn't be because those emotions do not serve any higher purpose than personal emotional catharsis that only occurs in some people. There is nothing that killing a murderer does to relieve that families pain. Nothing. if they do take solace in it, that's their emotions, but the same thing could be done by not asking for blood. I often wonder when people say things like this if they think the justice system that rules the country should be as hot tempered and as short sighted as the people making these statements are.[/QUOTE] Nice how you conveniently leave out what you think should be done with this man, since he obviously cannot be rehabilitated, what he's done has completely forfeited his life many times over, and what little that can be done should be done to help the ones close to the victims of this family. Sure we could leave him as life in prison, an arguably more cruel crime since his life will uselessly waste away in a prison until the day he dies, or we could speed it up and help the family members if the consensus is to have him dead. His life is absolutely useless and should be used towards helping the remaining members of the family, their opinion should absolutely be considered on what happens to him whether they want life in prison, or death penalty. [QUOTE]The justice system is not designed for vengeance, for retribution and it shouldn't be because those emotions do not serve any higher purpose than personal emotional catharsis that only occurs in some people. [/QUOTE] You're right, the justice system is meant to help members of society and keep them safe. It should be focused on rehabilitation when possible and meant to further society as a whole. This particular criminal has a worthless life that should be used to further society, by helping the remaining family members feel as good as possible so they can further society, since there is no other way for him to help society. Saying vengeance shouldn't ever be applied is obnoxious at best, yes vengeance shouldn't be used if for example someone stole your car and trashed it and you wanted life in prison for the perpetrator since that wont further society as he can obviously be rehabilitated, but in this particular case nothing can be done for perpetrator so vengeance should most certainly be applied if the family desires. [QUOTE]There is nothing that killing a murderer does to relieve that families pain. Nothing. if they do take solace in it, that's their emotions, but the same thing could be done by not asking for blood. [/QUOTE] What does this even mean. I don't think you are one to speak for the family at all, you have no idea what killing a murderer will do for that families pain. If they take solace in it that is helping their pain, yet nothing can relieve their pain according to you? Okay. And yes the same thing [I]could[/I] be done by not asking for blood, since the family consensus on what to do with the criminal might be to spare his life if that makes them feel better, but assuming that's what they want is putting words in their mouth. I find it [I]so[/I] difficult to see why people like to empathize more with the criminal rather than the victims, yes a human life is of course the most valuable thing in the world untarnished, yet you will decrease that value if you do things like say, I don't know, [I]murder 6 people in cold blood[/I]. Whatever worth you are putting on the criminal is a lost cause, and telling yourself at night you would be completely fine with having no say in what happens to the criminal if you lost 6 members of your family is very irresponsible.

[QUOTE=CommieTurtle;45350063]I really must just have a different thought process when it comes to this stuff. I don't get the stigma behind putting down murderers at all. I mean shit, we kill dogs for less, and dogs are almost exclusively behaviorally driven. To me, a guy who murders six people, four children included, has thoroughly demonstrated that his right to life is forfeit.[/QUOTE] "We kill dogs for less." Good job comparing a human being to a dog. Dehumanization is still dehumanization, however righteous you want to portray it. Everyone thinks what they're doing is the right thing, and this guy is obviously crazy for thinking that killing his own family will in any way help him (or anyone else for that matter). Being mentally ill is not something one gets to choose, just like being gay, and killing a person for something out of their control is pointless and pathetic. [editline]10th July 2014[/editline] And mind you, not everyone agrees with putting many dogs down (and that's also a more complex issue than you're putting it up to be).

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;45351137]I often wonder if the people who post these kind of posts have little to no empathy, if you put yourself in one of the families members or someone else close to the victims shoes who remain alive, would you not wish the same? I guess it's easier to take the moral high ground, not necessarily a bad thing though since you can make more rational decisions about what kind of crime the perpetrator should receive. Though in this case when such a heinous crime has been committed, it's clear rehabilitation is not an option so perhaps the people close to the family should have a better say in what happens to the criminal since he has forfeited most if not all of his rights and should receive what ever punishment they see fit, so long as it's not torture.[/QUOTE] Please never put somebody's life in my hands when I'm grieving and angry. If you trust my judgement then you're an idiot.

Oh god, [B]IT'S HAPPENING![/B] Grab your popcorn everyone! This is a sight to see!

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;45351137]I often wonder if the people who post these kind of posts have little to no empathy, if you put yourself in one of the families members or someone else close to the victims shoes who remain alive, would you not wish the same? I guess it's easier to take the moral high ground, not necessarily a bad thing though since you can make more rational decisions about what kind of crime the perpetrator should receive. Though in this case when such a heinous crime has been committed, it's clear rehabilitation is not an option so perhaps the people close to the family should have a better say in what happens to the criminal since he has forfeited most if not all of his rights and should receive what ever punishment they see fit, so long as it's not torture.[/QUOTE] Killing someone based on how you feel doesn't solve anything, it just causes more needless death for your own self satisfaction, which is just as disgusting as murdering someone in the first place. Empathy isn't always a good thing, especially if you're empathizing with feelings that call for more pain, death, or suffering.

-I'm retarded-

[QUOTE=zombays;45352354]Wait wait wait wait, did you just compare being mentally ill to being gay? Huehuehue[/QUOTE] Are you illiterate?

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;45352368]Are you illiterate?[/QUOTE] No, I just have butter in my eyes

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;45352176]since he obviously cannot be rehabilitated,[/QUOTE] You're not qualified to be the judge of that [QUOTE=supersoldier58;45352176]I don't think you are one to speak for the family at all[/QUOTE] and you aren't doing the exact same thing? And what does "further society" mean? Make everyone happier? Advance science? Spread the word of God? Everyone thinks they're furthering society somehow.

[QUOTE=zombays;45352354]Wait wait wait wait, did you just compare being mentally ill to being gay? Huehuehue[/QUOTE] What's your purpose in this thread other than to shitpost? It was a valid comparison, you don't choose either, they just happen to be part of you.

I'm sure a man that manages to kill half his family and planned to kill the rest will do extremely well and become a better person once he leaves prison, if he ever leaves at all, after spending time with other murderers, rapists and robbers. But who am I to judge, right? That poor girl is going to have to live the rest of her life with this experience, what kind of human does this?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45352425]What's your purpose in this thread other than to shitpost? It was a valid comparison, you don't choose either, they just happen to be part of you.[/QUOTE] That's assuming the thread isn't immediately going to be shat on by two opposite ends of opinions