• Anti-war vs Pro-war? Who is right?
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[quote][b] Disclaimer: This is not a troll thread. Things which are off-topic,bias against subjects, or plainly just seen as trolling will most likely get you banned by a Facepunch Moderator who is watching this subforum. Keep it clean. Joey. [/b][/quote] I've recently done a little research on groups that are referring to war... What kind of groups mainly? Pro-war and Anti-war groups. I was recently goofing around Facebook's groups ,and I found this group... [url]http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=2210430735&ref=search&sid=638360771.535681054..1[/url] If you don't wish too click on the link.... Here's their description. [quote] There are not very many pro war groups on facebook so I'm starting one. This is a place for all the people who are either in favor of war, for whatever reason, or realize that war, whether you want it or not, is a neccessary evil that will be around forever. If you support the war on terrorism, if you support war to promote and spread freedom and democracy to those who cannot achieve it for themeselves, if you support the President of the United States, because he is the President, whether it be George Bush or anyone else If you're tired of listening to all the anti war anti bush pro peace bleeding hearts shoving thier BS down your throat This is your group [/quote] I then decided I was going to look for an anti-war group on Facebook... This is from the one with the most people... [url]http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=49265202081&ref=search&sid=638360771.2501544194..1[/url] Their info... Well it just brings a new meaning too the word hypocrites. [quote] lets stop war together!!! [/quote] I'm not sure about you guys but I found this very disappointing on the AW Groups part. Not only for the fact this goes to show most Anti-war people on Facebook are just plain off the bat hypocrites by calling PW Group members red neck idiots. For me, I stand full time Pro-war. I truly have never found reason yet to believe it's not just human nature to want too kill each other. Just the look at the Anti-war group sickens me cause while I was scrolling through their wall they kept mentioning how bad the terrorist are... If this is the case then why do they bitch about the coalitions police actions in the Middle East. This also brings me to another look at the AW groups discussions.... War should be only fought on defensive purposes ,and all it does is kill more people? I'm not against anyone who is Anti-war but why do some people make cloned excuses of why war is bad? You do realize in your endeavors too stop war your only beginning a public war that is fought not by blade or gun but moral usage of psychoactive warfare. If you think I'm joking think about what some anti-war groups do... They attempt manipulate soldiers into belief that their government is trying to kill them,that they are just cold hearted killers hired by a greater evil. This is propaganda kids. It's what starts war ,and most people fail to recognize this ,and are attempting to stop something that their own childish mind can't even comprehend. I'll leave the rest for you guys to discuss because if I go any further I believe I'll get too bias against the Anti-war groups.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;18578089] I'm not against anyone who is Anti-war but why do some people make cloned excuses of why war is bad? You do realize in your endeavors too stop war your only beginning a public war that is fought not by blade or gun but moral usage of psychoactive warfare. If you think I'm joking think about what some anti-war groups do... [/QUOTE] lol "Public debate is just as bad as actual, armed conflict" you heard it here first folks
Not all war is bad. Fighting against something that practices genocide against humanity should be taken on. I mean there are conflicts that need war. A peaceful country should defend itself from the aggressor if politics/negations fails, thus raising arms it's war between the two, it's either fight or die Someone expand on this further.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;18578089]For me, I stand full time Pro-war. I truly have never found reason yet to believe it's not just human nature to want too kill each other.[/QUOTE] it's also human nature to fuck whatever members of the opposite sex are in sight and live in wandering hunter-gatherer tribes but I don't see you arguing for that [editline]01:12AM[/editline] I'm beginning to think you don't know what you're talking about mr. furry avatar
I dont support the Iraq War, But i'm fine with proper wars (World War 1/2 etc) If there is a clear and logical point to the conflict I'm fine with it
[QUOTE=Craptasket;18578134]Not all war is bad. I mean there are conflicts that need war. Someone expand on this further.[/QUOTE] ok, I'll expand basically what you're saying is that there are some conflicts that simply cannot be solved without lots of people dying got it
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk[/media] [quote=The pro war group]if you support the President of the United States, because he is the President, whether it be George Bush or anyone else[/quote] :rolleyes: What about thinking instead of just doing as you're told?
War is built into us as humans. We can never stop violence. But who would be right? Anti war, war is so pointless and stupid.
World War one... Proper? *sheds a tear
Pro-war. Ill be honest. Im perfectly fine killing a man, and would happily take the place of a executioner if he doesn't want to do his job. Damn hippys.
[QUOTE=Squeaken;18578156]I dont support the Iraq War, But i'm fine with proper wars (World War 1/2 etc) If there is a clear and logical point to the conflict I'm fine with it[/QUOTE] World War 1/2 were not proper wars, they were proper involvements in improper wars. We were justified in fighting back against the germans and japanese, but the germans/japanese were not justified in starting the wars in the first place.
[QUOTE=Squeaken;18578156]I dont support the Iraq War, But i'm fine with proper wars (World War 1/2 etc) If there is a clear and logical point to the conflict I'm fine with it[/QUOTE] Me too. I do support the war in Afghanistan though, not iraq.
[quote]If you support the war on terrorism, [b]I don't support the war on terrorism. It's policies violate fundamental rights. It's a "screw you" to the consititution. [/b] if you support war to promote and spread freedom and democracy to those who cannot achieve it for themeselves, [b]at the cost of American lives? I don't think so. Those are not our countries to run.[/b] if you support the President of the United States, because he is the President, whether it be George Bush or anyone else [b]Yes, because ignorantly following somebody because their position is always a good idea. (Adolf Hitler, anybody?)[/b] If you're tired of listening to all the anti war anti bush pro peace bleeding hearts shoving thier BS down your throat [b]Because diplomacy is way more retarded than senseless fighting.[/b][/quote] Just my 2 cents.
In a world of smart logical people, war is unnecessary. We are not on that world.
My question is what gives someone the right to end the life of another? Why can't we all get along? Why do people have to be so stubborn to think that they are 100 percent right and in fact so right that those who disagree should die? Unfortunately it's the nature of all animals. However the thing that sets us apart from other animals is that we can think out situations and problems and are able to resolve differences through non-violent communication. But why isn't this always done already? We are more than capable of doing it. Why do large scale arguments always end with the losing party dead? Why can't they just accept that their wrong, or the other party accept that they are simply different and don't need to change? I wish there was peace on Earth. Not war. I wish the fighting would stop. I wish everyone will accept everyone else's differences and respect each other in what they believe in. I wish we can all coexist in harmony and peace.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;18578166]Pro-war. Ill be honest. Im perfectly fine killing a man, and would happily take the place of a executioner if he doesn't want to do his job. Damn hippys.[/QUOTE] yes tell us about how hardcore you are mr. internet user
I don't have a problem with war per se, it is necessary in some cases, but there needs to be a proper rationale. One that is actually correct, unlike the WMD's in Iraq.
anti-war dont be a moron
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18578172]World War 1/2 were not proper wars, they were proper involvements in improper wars. We were justified in fighting back against the germans and japanese, but the germans/japanese were not justified in starting the wars in the first place.[/QUOTE] This. You're justified in fighting a war to stop and aggressor. I can't think of a circumstance in which initiating armed conflict is justified where someone isn't being tread on already.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18578143]it's also human nature to fuck whatever women are in sight and live in wandering hunter-gatherer tribes but I don't see you arguing for that [editline]01:12AM[/editline] I'm beginning to think you don't know what you're talking about mr. furry avatar[/QUOTE] Your probably right I don't. What I do know, referring to your post is that we have the intelligence to stop some of our instincts now, but we still have the urge to do them anyway ,and just plainly hope that we don't end up causing too much consequences.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18578172]World War 1/2 were not proper wars, they were proper involvements in improper wars. We were justified in fighting back against the germans and japanese, but the germans/japanese were not justified in starting the wars in the first place.[/QUOTE] You all do know that the reason WW1 started was due to the fact that a schizophrenic anarchist shot an Austrian noble to death in a parade right? WW1 was absolutely pointless in every way shape and form. And thus due to it, the world is the way it is this day.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;18578166]Pro-war. Ill be honest. Im perfectly fine killing a man, and would happily take the place of a executioner if he doesn't want to do his job. Damn hippys.[/QUOTE] Say that when you actually experience real combat and not when you're living in your mom's basement.
[QUOTE=Master117;18578179]My question is what gives someone the right to end the life of another?[/QUOTE] The fact that this person will inevitably end other peoples lives.
War is deranged and the exact polar opposite of intellectuality and enlightenment. The absence of drawing the line between defending oneself and warfare is frighting by the way.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18578183]yes tell us about how hardcore you are mr. internet user[/QUOTE] RAWR! no im just saying. Why would people want to say, we should go to a war to save OTHER LIVES I mean wouldn't you go back in time and kill hitler in 1935 if you could? Hell yes. It comes down to, take down the bad guys. now who the bad guys are? iraq insurgence or Taliban. I believe Taliban. Look at the iraq insurgence. We invade there country, and enforce a new government they don't want. WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
[QUOTE=Idi Amin;18578209]You all do know that the reason WW1 started was due to the fact that a schizophrenic anarchist shot an Austrian noble to death in a parade right? WW1 was absolutely pointless in every way shape and form. And thus due to it, the world is the way it is this day.[/QUOTE] Was he an anarchist? I know he was a Yugoslav nationalist.
[QUOTE=power-mad;18578213]The fact that this person will inevitably end other peoples lives.[/QUOTE] Exactly. War can be for the greater good if fought for the right reasons.
The "greater good" is a false dichotomy.
Having an absolute stance on whether war is just or not is ridiculous. The circumstances dictate whether or not it is justified.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;18578200]Your probably right I don't. What I do know, referring to your post is that we have the intelligence to stop some of our instincts now, but we still have the urge to do them anyway ,and just plainly hope that we don't end up causing too much consequences.[/QUOTE] but war is not a basic human instinct. It's desire for power, resources, or land (or in more recent history, nationalism) that drives armed conflict. There is no innate human desire to slaughter other humans, only desire for things that seems to necessitate the slaughter.
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