Israeli Knesset Rejects Bill Recognizing the Armenian Genocide - Polidicks

[img]https://i.imgur.com/xLKvfad.jpg[/img] [QUOTE]The Israeli Knesset (Parliament) rejected a bill on Wednesday, which would have recognized the Armenian Genocide. Sponsored by Yesh Atid party chairman Yair Lapid, the bill was rejected in a preliminary vote. “There is no reason that the Knesset, which represents a nation that went through the Holocaust, shouldn’t recognize the Armenian Genocide and have a remembrance day for it,” Lapid was quoted by the Jerusalem Post as saying. “The Israeli leadership diminishes itself by so transparently treating genocide remembrance as a commodity to be bartered with [Turkish President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan,” said Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) Executive Director Aram Hamparian, regarding the vote. Armenian Foreign Affairs Minister Edward Nalbandian met with Kneset Speaker Yuli Edelstein last November, during Nalbandian’s official visit to Israel. At the meeting, the two exchanged views on a number of urgent regional issues, including the importance of the Israeli Parliament’s recognition of the Armenian Genocide.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://armenianweekly.com/2018/02/14/israeli-knesset-rejects-bill-recognizing-armenian-genocide/"]Source[/URL].

It sucks that israel has to do this in order to keep relations with turkey stable, especially since the Turkish govt openly despises israel

[QUOTE=Svinnik;53132041]It sucks that israel [B]has to do this[/B] in order to keep relations with turkey stable, especially since the Turkish govt openly despises israel[/QUOTE] oh ffs man [editline]14th February 2018[/editline] Are you incapable of seeing anything Israel does as wrong in any way? Are they paying you?

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53132096]oh ffs man [editline]14th February 2018[/editline] Are you incapable of seeing anything Israel does as wrong in any way? Are they paying you?[/QUOTE] He presented a point that may justify (as gross as it is) why the Knesset did what it did. If that’s shilling then that’s pretty tame

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53132318]He presented a point that may justify (as gross as it is) why the Knesset did what it did. If that’s shilling then that’s pretty tame[/QUOTE] yeah, 'cause this is his first post ever

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53132333]yeah, 'cause this is his first post ever[/QUOTE] Are you incapable of being confrontational? In no way was I inferring that at all.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53132339]Are you incapable of being confrontational? In no way was I inferring that at all.[/QUOTE] My point is that this is a trend with this kind of stance, veering any blame away from Israel

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53132345]My point is that this is a trend with this kind of stance, veering any blame away from Israel[/QUOTE] Okay? I don’t see any of that at all in the post, and in fact it seems critical of the decision.

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53132333]yeah, 'cause this is his first post ever[/QUOTE] I don't think Israel needs anymore enemies then it does now. Inflaming Turkey, especially with that crazy dude in power would not be good for anything. As an Armenian it sucks that turkey is strong arming everyone into non-recognition, but I don't believe the knesset did this out of malicious intent

[QUOTE=Jsoldier;53132351]I don't think Israel needs anymore enemies then it does now. Inflaming Turkey, especially with that crazy dude in power would not be good for anything. As an Armenian it sucks that turkey is strong arming everyone into non-recognition, but I don't believe the knesset did this out of malicious intent[/QUOTE] Not malicious intent, just xenophobic apathy [editline]15th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53132349]Okay? I don’t see any of that at all in the post, and in fact it seems critical of the decision.[/QUOTE] critical that they "had to", which is an assumption

Seems kind of hypocritical in light of the spat with Poland over German death camps and Polish anti-semitism

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53132362]Not malicious intent, just xenophobic apathy [editline]15th February 2018[/editline] critical that they "had to", which is an assumption[/QUOTE] Are you not aware of the Armenian quarter?

[QUOTE=Jsoldier;53132371]Are you not aware of the Armenian quarter?[/QUOTE] That just makes this kind of action worse imo

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53132096]oh ffs man [editline]14th February 2018[/editline] Are you incapable of seeing anything Israel does as wrong in any way? Are they paying you?[/QUOTE] yeah im being paid i get 5 shekels per post and if im a top performer i get to spend a night with Bar Refaeli + Gal Gadot there's a thing called realpolitik where you have to make ideological compromises in order to maintain the status quo, not recognizing the Armenian genocide is unfortunately one of those compromises. If you want good relations with turkey, dont even mention Armenia israel has done plenty of things wrong for sure also the people of israel pretty much all recognize the genocide if you care so much about people denying genocides, you should definitely know about how the leader of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, wrote his doctoral dissertation on how the holocaust didnt happen

[QUOTE=Svinnik;53132458]yeah im being paid i get 5 shekels per post and if im a top performer i get to spend a night with Bar Refaeli + Gal Gadot there's a thing called realpolitik where you have to make ideological compromises in order to maintain the status quo, not recognizing the Armenian genocide is unfortunately one of those compromises. If you want good relations with turkey, dont even mention Armenia israel has done plenty of things wrong for sure also the people of israel pretty much all recognize the genocide [B]if you care so much about people denying genocides, you should definitely know about how the leader of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, wrote his doctoral dissertation on how the holocaust didnt happen[/B][/QUOTE] Everyone knows Palestine has a fucked up leadership, that's not really news

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53132469]Everyone knows Palestine has a fucked up leadership, that's not really news[/QUOTE] so its ok when the partner for the peace process denies one of the biggest tragedies in the 21st century and an important event for Israel/the Jewish people but it's not okay when Israel chooses to remain neutral on the Armenian genocide in order to keep relations with an important country? Israel didn't say it didn't happen, they say no comment and former high ranking israeli officials have said that it happened for sure

[QUOTE=Svinnik;53132498]so its ok when the partner for the peace process denies one of the biggest tragedies in the 21st century and an important event for Israel/the Jewish people but it's not okay when Israel chooses to remain neutral on the Armenian genocide in order to keep relations with an important country? Israel didn't say it didn't happen, they say no comment and former high ranking israeli officials have said that it happened for sure[/QUOTE] Nope, it's just not okay to pretend it's an okay thing to do

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53132503]Nope, it's just not okay to pretend it's an okay thing to do[/QUOTE] No one said it's okay to do?

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;53132503]Nope, it's just not okay to pretend it's an okay thing to do[/QUOTE] So far nobody had said it was a good thing, or an okay thing, or something to agree with.

Just diplomacy in action, Syria is a more pressing concern right now

[QUOTE=Svinnik;53132041]It sucks that israel has to do this in order to keep relations with turkey stable, especially since the Turkish govt openly despises israel[/QUOTE] eh its tough to say if they had to do it or not, they could certainly stand up to turkey about this without it hurting anything really. Appeasing things like this really just enables other horrible things down the line Its not like Turkey is going to invade or attack them anytime soon, and if they rely on them for military sales, Turkey isn't going to seriously walk away from the most technologically sophisticated arms dealer in the Middle East over something like this, they will be loud, but its all bark

[QUOTE=Svinnik;53132041]It sucks that israel has to do this in order to keep relations with turkey stable, especially since the Turkish govt openly despises israel[/QUOTE] The Israeli government should probably grow a pair of balls then. Like, France formally recognizes the Armenian genocide since 2001. Turkey has been a sour bitch since then and every time a new bill is voted regarding genocide denial it gets stuck somewhere down the pipeline because the Turkish minority in France throws a fit, but we still keep trying. Israel doesn't "have to" do this, they're doing it out of complacency. Sure it would create relational problems between the two nations to recognize the Armenian genocide but ask yourself this, is it worth being on good terms with a nation's government that's this willing to deny genocide ?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53133540]The Israeli government should probably grow a pair of balls then. Like, France formally recognizes the Armenian genocide since 2001. Turkey has been a sour bitch since then and every time a new bill is voted regarding genocide denial it gets stuck somewhere down the pipeline because the Turkish minority in France throws a fit, but we still keep trying. Israel doesn't "have to" do this, they're doing it out of complacency. Sure it would create relational problems between the two nations to recognize the Armenian genocide but ask yourself this, is it worth being on good terms with a nation's government that's this willing to deny genocide ?[/QUOTE] When comparing Israel to France on political positions, let's just take a moment to look at their regional-political position. France is in Western Europe, surrounded by NATO-allies, EU-friends and England. They put nothing at risk except some goodwill, which they can easily be without. Israel is in the Middle East, surrounded by countries that would very much like to see them wiped off the map, and has attempted to do so on several occasions, with poor success. Turkey is a growing regional superpower as their sphere of influence moves away from Europe towards the Middle East, and they are, so far, fairly neutral towards Israel. There's nothing to be gained from recognizing the Armenian genocide (aside from the obvious [I]but you shoouuuld![/I] factor), while it could and would seriously hurt the shaky relationship with Turkey. Also, need I remind you that Israel is not [I]denying[/I] the Armenian genocide either. They're simply in a null-state towards it, for diplomatic reasons. Culturally, it's quite obvious that it's being recognized.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53133540]is it worth being on good terms with a nation's government that's this willing to deny genocide ?[/QUOTE] When the said nation is a regional power in the region, hold strategic points, is a "bridge" between the affairs in Middle East and Western World, yes. Israel already has hostile nations surrounding them, why should Turkey be another one?

Is there a term for something like "Geopolitical privilege?" It's funny to see people sitting in their ivory towers, totally safe from basically any outside threat, telling a country like Israel that they should have the "balls" to act exactly like their totally secure countries.