Does Facepunch have too much quality control? - General

[b]Now before people start getting the wrong ideas, I'm not trying to tell Garry and the moderators how to run their website, I'm just expressing my personal feeling toward it. It's their site, they can run as they please.[/b] I've been active on Facepunch since about 2007, and from what I've seen it seems like there's a very tight lid on quality control. On one side of the argument you could say that it prevents Facepunch from becoming something like /b/, where its just a desolate circle jerk with very little quality control, but on the flip side you could make the point that having [b]too much[/b] control of content strips the users of a lot of freedom. I would say a good example of a double edged sword like this would be the thing with image macros. I believe that you cannot objectively say posting an image macro or reaction image is "stupid". It's something that has just become part of the internet subculture. On the other side of the sword though, you could say if you don't moderate and control when it is being done it could begin to become over used and annoying, but where do you draw the line? Something like quality control, which I believe to be a very subjective thing, is hard to determine what is too much and what is too little. I figured this would be a good thing to have a debate on, seeing as a lot of the internet believes Facepunch to be some sort of virtual police state (an opinion I don't hold), and it seems to be like a recurring subject within the forums themselves. So what do you think, too much control, or too little, OR do we have it just right? I personally believe the level of quality control is fine. [editline]23rd September 2011[/editline] That's ironic how many typos I made.

The thing with image macros is that they are over used and unfunny. And Facepunch isn't even nearly as strict as it used to be, where you could get banned just for being shit at spelling. I think the amount of control is just right. The amount of moderation isn't exactly the same the whole way through the forums, there are places where you could post an image macro and not get banned.

You weren't here when we had Insta-Ban words and the smartness system. Being banned for being stupid was possible back then without a mod even needing to read your post :v:

If anything it needs more quality control

'Good' moderation is what makes facepunch (atleast for me) much better than any other forum, the moderators do their jobs well and keep the idiots, trouble makers and attention deprived out, that and the fact we have no signatures is a huge bonus and makes facepunch what it is, only problem I have with facepunch is that Garry can stick his massive penis in our mouths from time to time. The only real freedom that's removed is the freedom to be a twat.

I found this site to be very strict when I joined with my first accounts back in 08 or so, but that was me comparing it with other forums that didn't really give a damn about what the users posted. People who call this site a police state are those who crap post on every other forum they're a member of and expect to be able to do the same here. They get scared away and just run off to another board, the ones who end up staying usually learn fairly quickly on how the site works. It is my belief that the way the site is run makes the people become better members, which I've seen lead some members to be better posters on other boards. I also like the way the banning system is here, instead of an infraction or a warning, you get a much more serious feeling consequence. It would be cool if it was this way at more forums. I tried starting this up on one of the forums I moderate, people saw it as to harsh and it caused a lot of backlash, but infractions don't seem to to leave enough of an effect on people to take it seriously. I also miss the smartness system, not the auto-bans, as that was just annoying as hell and got people banned for stupid reasons. It just taught people how to have proper grammar and spelling, so I wish it was brought back.

It's just a no-nonsense way of moderation.

LMAOPunch. No one wants that to happen.

[QUOTE=Priori;32439227] I also miss the smartness system.[/QUOTE] I do sometimes miss smartness to an extent but it was a terrible system for so many reasons. For the people that treat forums as instant messaging it was a great deterrent but those people are the minority and that's the only positive thing I can think of, at-least 30% of facepunch are not native English speakers and having to spell every word correctly was just not necessary, that and the fact that it was using the American spellings of most words, the amount of times I'd have to edit my posts because I spelt "colour" correctly was a hundred too many.

Smartness. It was good at telling you spelled things in correctly in reference to American English. Just you can be skip this or grammar.

Just be glad you weren't around when the instaban system was in place. I got instabanned once for saying 'snigger' because it contained the word 'nigger'. Made me rage hard.

I was never here for the smartness, but sometimes I wish it were still here. A system like that could work well, but like David said, it would need to use both American English and British English (Not sure what you call it).

[QUOTE=David Tennant;32439264]I do sometimes miss smartness to an extent but it was a terrible system for so many reasons. For the people that treat forums as instant messaging it was a great deterrent but those people are the minority and that's the only positive thing I can think of, at-least 30% of facepunch are not native English speakers and having to spell every word correctly was just not necessary, that and the fact that it was using the American spellings of most words, the amount of times I'd have to edit my posts because I spelt "colour" correctly was a hundred too many.[/QUOTE] it'd be a good way to keep gold members from writing like this because dude who cares i don't care its just some stupid message board for 12 yr olds mongoloids Sure, much of the time it's just in the GMF where it doesn't matter, but it's spread to the other boards, and while it doesn't necessarily detract from the quality of the post, it's bothersome to read and it just plain seems like whoever writes like that is trying too hard.

[QUOTE=DeandreT;32439357]I was never here for the smartness, but sometimes I wish it were still here. A system like that could work well, but like David said, it would need to use both American English and British English (Not sure what you call it).[/QUOTE] Also non-English chat threads would be impossible because everyone would get instabanned (unless smartness could be toggled on/off in different subforums).

I remember some joke about a speedboat in like 06/07.. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

I think we need to step up quality control a bit more, in the sense that we need to be more strict and quick to deal with people posting shit threads and/or posting in the wrong section (Like the weekly Garry's Mod thread posted by some retard who joins less than two minutes ago that ends up posting in the Valve subforum). Sure, it might be funny for some people, but after a while, I think to myself, "The longer this guy hasn't been banned, the more he thinks that doing this is acceptable, and then we have a shitposter on our hands". Also, we need to make "xD" bannable. Nobody wants to fucking see it, unless you're in some sort of instant messenger and not on Facepunch.

It's okay now, we may even need a little bit more of it. And as a side-note, that "old" facepunch was just awesome! (I used another account back then, but it got removed) auto-bans, "retard-bans" and rating records, just hilarious.

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;32439446]Also, we need to make "xD" bannable. Nobody wants to fucking see it, unless you're in some sort of instant messenger and not on Facepunch.[/QUOTE] Especially since there's already a selection of emoticons to use. [IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/emoticons.png[/IMG] Though the culling of useless emoticons were a little too harsh, since the selection is now severely limited.

Dark days of instaban, where an entire mapping thread about a bunker became an account graveyard as like 30 seperate accounts were banned for 7 days for saying "to the bunker"

I find Facepunch's current degree of quality control to be rather nice, to be honest. However, it's funny that there are actually no rules that dictate for quality control in any way (the current Facepunch rules are common sense which may be found on any forum). I believe Facepunch attributes this to the days of instaban and smartness, which has left a lasting effect on the forum and has caused older users to absolutely ridicule any newcomer who types like a stereotypical 12 year old. In a way, it's community driven quality controlm which is really nice. Not many other forums have anything like this, a notable forum being the Steam Forums which attracts all kinds of idiots and the only form of quality control is censoring certain words but doesn't stop stupidity in general.

Facepunch used to have more quality control. Like the smartness, god i miss smartness... [editline]23rd September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;32439504]Dark days of instaban, where an entire mapping thread about a bunker became an account graveyard as like 30 seperate accounts were banned for 7 days for saying "to the bunker"[/QUOTE] Haha, i got banned for that once in a mapping thread.

[QUOTE=nVidia;32439860]Facepunch used to have more quality control. Like the smartness, god i miss smartness... [editline]23rd September 2011[/editline] Haha, i got banned for that once in a mapping thread.[/QUOTE] I remember that, that thread was hilarious.

Still the most forums use 1337speak alot and thats really the number 1 thing i hate. If i have to ask a question it will go on a different forum like this [quote] ey dude u need 2 boot from the img and then frm the tool i u. if u need halp u can find me here :D were els would i be xDD ===== Join the XxXDarkSniperXxX clan by mssgng me on the forum :D adults only !!! 0_o ===== [/quote] And over here: [quote] You prob need to boot it from the image and then open it from the tool i messaged you Hoped this helped :dance: [/quote] Or thats how i see it :v:

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;32439446]Also, we need to make "xD" bannable. Nobody wants to fucking see it, unless you're in some sort of instant messenger and not on Facepunch.[/QUOTE] I don't like smileys like that as much as the next guy, but you guys are extremely butthurt over it. Can you at least try not to be such an angry person?

I think the instaban system should be brought back, but it would be more efficient if it just banned text smilies, "XD" in particular would result in a permaban. People that use them are more likely to be twelve year olds who think this is AIM, therefore you can get rid of them easier without banning someone for making an accidental typo.

[QUOTE=Wolverunder;32438958]Now before people start getting the wrong ideas, I'm not trying to tell Garry and the moderators how to run their website, I'm just expressing my personal feeling toward it. [/QUOTE] yes.

[QUOTE=David Tennant;32439264]I do sometimes miss smartness to an extent but it was a terrible system for so many reasons. For the people that treat forums as instant messaging it was a great deterrent but those people are the minority and that's the only positive thing I can think of, at-least 30% of facepunch are not native English speakers and having to spell every word correctly was just not necessary, that and the fact that it was using the American spellings of most words, the amount of times I'd have to edit my posts because I spelt "colour" correctly was a hundred too many.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I remember the annoyances that brought. Still, I think something less harsh than the smartness system, such as simply leaving the red dotted line under misspelt words in the actual posts, would have at least [i]some[/i] positive effects.

OP obviously needs to visit o6 FP

It's like kindergarten for adults.

[QUOTE=Anonim;32440500]Yeah, I remember the annoyances that brought. Still, I think something less harsh than the smartness system, such as simply leaving the red dotted line under misspelt words in the actual posts, would have at least [i]some[/i] positive effects.[/QUOTE] That would be great for people with a browser that doesn't support spellcheck. (IE and Opera, I think. Not so sure about the latter)