Pedophilia not a ‘sexual orientation’ – Duma-proposed bill - Polidicks

[QUOTE]The Russian parliament is preparing a bill that would outlaw the classification of pedophilia as a sexual orientation and introduce punishment for propaganda of this ‘disorder’. The initiative was put forward this week by deputy head of the Duma committee for labor and social policies Elena Afanasyeva of the populist-nationalist party LDPR. MP Aleksandr Sidyakin of the majority United Russia party also threw his support behind the move. The two sponsors told fellow lawmakers that in late October this year the American Psychiatric Association (APA) introduced an updated Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in which those who are physically attracted to children - but do not let their desires inflict harm to themselves or others – are not classified as having a psychiatric condition. If such people are harmful or dangerous, the condition is called ‘pedophilia disorder’ and the attitude of medics, legal specialists and law enforcers to them remains the same as it was to all pedophiles. As some mass media called the changes in classification an attempt to rebrand pedophilia as a sexual orientation, with the possible further objective of legalizing it, Russian MPs decided to act preventively and introduce a legal ban on the justification of pedophilia. “A whole myth will now emerge around the incident with the American manual. A lot of similar ‘research’ will soon appear, justifying pedophilia. We are going to introduce a legislative initiative that would ban the release of such papers in our country,” Afanasyeva told Izvestia. Sidyakin added that he had repeatedly officially asked the consumer watchdog agency Rospotrebnadzor to block websites which promote pedophilia, but faced refusals every time. The agency had explained this to him by the fact that Russian law has no norms that would allow it to officially act against such propaganda, he noted. The MPs added that though they had voiced the initiative the actual draft law would take some time to prepare. The new ban must be based on analysis of precedent and also not contradict or duplicate other Russian laws concerning pedophilia, the politicians said. An official representative of the Russian Orthodox Church has praised the move as “normal human logic,” adding that it proves the Russian community has not yet lost its spirituality. In mid-September this year Sidyakin submitted a different anti-pedophile bill to the Duma, suggesting that people previously convicted of sex crimes against children be forever banned from entering the Russian Federation. This bill is currently being prepared for the first reading.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.rt.com/politics/russia-pedophilia-orientation-ban-312/"]http://www.rt.com/politics/russia-pedophilia-orientation-ban-312/[/URL] What's your thought's?

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rightwing authoritarianism is filling in the gap left by the collapse of communism as usual [quote]We are going to introduce a legislative initiative that would ban the release of such papers in our country[/quote] since when was free speech a thing in russia

Simply classifying paedophillia as something other than an orientation is a decent idea. Sadly I can't imagine this being done in the name of helping paedophiles. People would much rather take every possible step to demonise them.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42989489]rightwing authoritarianism is filling in the gap left by the collapse of communism as usual[/QUOTE] I read that as 'rightwing autoauthoritarianism', which sounded awfully kinky. [editline]26th November 2013[/editline] Like, a BDSM style masturbation marathon.

Just to set this straight: [B]Pedophilia[/B] - Attraction to pre-pubescent children [B]Hebephilia[/B] - Attraction to those early in adolescents, generally 13 and 14 [B]Ephebophilia[/B] - Attraction to those later in adolescents, generally 15+

[QUOTE]“A whole myth will now emerge around the incident with the American manual. A lot of similar ‘research’ will soon appear, justifying pedophilia. We are going to introduce a legislative initiative that would ban the release of such papers in our country,”[/QUOTE] [B][I]The truth does not fear investigation.[/I][/B] [QUOTE]As some mass media called the changes in classification an attempt to rebrand pedophilia as a sexual orientation, with the possible further objective of legalizing it,[/QUOTE] How you get the impression that America has an agenda to legalize pedophilia, I do not get. With how much hate, many times irrational, pedophilia gets in America, it sure as fuck has to mean something if the DSM decides to change something. And calling it a sexual orientation doesn't make it any different, it's not going to be more acceptable to act out on that sexual orientation just by its new classification. In any case it's fucking retarded to ban speak about anything. If you censor people saying things, it signals that you're afraid of what they're saying. And if you're afraid of what they're saying, that sounds like you think what they say actually carries some weight. If you think it's ridiculous to call pedophilia a sexual orientation; [I]prove those who do wrong[/I]. Just saying [I]"You can't say that"[/I] is dumb as fuck.

In my opinion, it isn't a sexual orientation but a disorder, just like any other philia or phobia.

reddit will be in tears

Note the act is still considered a disorder. But I would trust trained professionals with expert knowledge over both the Russian government and random forum posters.

Sexual orientation is usually based around gender and sex.

I always thought pedophilia was just a fetish type thing. How is it even remotely a sexual orientation?

[QUOTE=Riller;42989608]I read that as 'rightwing autoauthoritarianism', which sounded awfully kinky. [editline]26th November 2013[/editline] Like, a BDSM style masturbation marathon.[/QUOTE] You're saying it like it is a bad thing!

[QUOTE=Katatonic717;42990089]I always thought pedophilia was just a fetish type thing. How is it even remotely a sexual orientation?[/QUOTE] Insofar as I'm aware, there isn't really a solid distinction between orientation and fetish/paraphernalia. God knows I've learned not to use the word orientation because oh my god the funneled rage could power London for a year. An explanation would be nice, though.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];42989648']Just to set this straight: [B]Pedophilia[/B] - Attraction to pre-pubescent children [B]Hebephilia[/B] - Attraction to those early in adolescents, generally 13 and 14 [B]Ephebophilia[/B] - Attraction to those later in adolescents, generally 15+[/QUOTE] Why is there even a variety of this :v:

[QUOTE='[sluggo];42989648']Just to set this straight: [B]Pedophilia[/B] - Attraction to pre-pubescent children [B]Hebephilia[/B] - Attraction to those early in adolescents, generally 13 and 14 [B]Ephebophilia[/B] - Attraction to those later in adolescents, generally 15+[/QUOTE] Hebephilies and Ephebophiles are just pedophiles with dictionaries.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42990172]Why is there even a variety of this :v:[/QUOTE] Because changes happen quickly during puberty and those changes make a pretty big difference?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42990172]Why is there even a variety of this :v:[/QUOTE] Wanting to have sex with a toddler is a bit different than some guy who want to have sex with 16 year old high school students. They're both wrong, but the latter isn't as... you know, extremely fucking horrible when acted upon. [editline]26th November 2013[/editline] Still horrible, mind you. Just not as.

The difference between an orientation and a disorder is truly very negligible and it often has more to do with politics and morals than with objective findings. Fact of the matter is that for many pedophiles the physical properties are the same as those in homosexuals and heterosexuals. The same physical and mental processes, and often the same psychological ones. The subject of the sexual attraction is different, but physically it's much the same. Which is why the DSM has basically drawn the line in such a way that makes political sense, and perhaps or perhaps not moral sense, but makes no scientific sense- orientation is attraction, disorder if action. This definition is drawn not out of physical differences, empirically, between a pedophile that does and does not molest children, but instead exists purely because as a society we are not willing to say that there's something natural with being sexually attracted to children. Perhaps we shouldn't. By all means this latest DSM basically is saying, with homosexuals as the example only because they are most recently seeing the same treatment over the last 20 or so years, that homosexuality is a sexual orientation but homosexual sex is a disorder. So long as you do not act on your homosexual urges, you are acceptable. Just some food for thought.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;42990225]Hebephilies and Ephebophiles are just pedophiles with dictionaries.[/QUOTE] yeah if you think 12 y/o's and 15+ y/o's are even remotely the same

[QUOTE=Katatonic717;42990089]I always thought pedophilia was just a fetish type thing. How is it even remotely a sexual orientation?[/QUOTE] Pedophiles want to rewrite the definition of sexual orientation so their fallacious argument that they're being oppressed more than gay people will work.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;42990346]Pedophiles want to rewrite the definition of sexual orientation so their fallacious argument that they're being oppressed more than gay people will work.[/QUOTE] That's not really the case. There's no pedophile liberation movement, or pedophile lobby, or anything of that sort. There was/is NAMBLA, but that was a while ago. The DSM drew these findings, as it usually does, out of the latest research on the topic. [editline]26th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42990172]Why is there even a variety of this :v:[/QUOTE] There usually isn't legally, but morally speaking some cultures and nations find teenagers or pubescent children acceptable for marriage and sex. And psychologically speaking, there's a bit of difference between someone who is attracted to a small child and someone whose attracted to a post-pubescent teenager.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;42990346]Pedophiles want to rewrite the definition of sexual orientation so their fallacious argument that they're being oppressed more than gay people will work.[/QUOTE] Fallacious argument? Pedophiles are simply people who are attracted to prepubescent children, and just like homosexuality, it is not their choice. Child molesters deserve to be punished, but as it stands, simply being a pedophile gets you way more shit than being a homosexual will ever get you, anywhere. Even in places where homosexuality is punishable by death, I'm certain pedophilia is too.

I found this article what the Russian government was talking about. Regards pedophilia as sexual orientation by American Psychiatric Association (APA). SOURCE:[URL="http://www.charismanews.com/us/41571-pedophilia-officially-classified-as-sexual-orientation-by-american-psychology-association"]http://www.charismanews.com/us/41571-pedophilia-officially-classified-as-sexual-orientation-by-american-psychology-association[/URL] Edited: Oh by the way, the American Psychiatric Association announced that the pedophilia as a sexual orientation was a mistake. SOURCE:[URL="http://www.charismanews.com/us/41605-pedophilia-described-as-sexual-orientation-but-apa-claims-it-was-their-error"]http://www.charismanews.com/us/41571-pedophilia-officially-classified-as-sexual-orientation-by-american-psychology-association[/URL]

[QUOTE=be;42990422]Fallacious argument? Pedophiles are simply people who are attracted to prepubescent children, and just like homosexuality, it is not their choice. Child molesters deserve to be punished, but as it stands, simply being a pedophile gets you way more shit than being a homosexual will ever get you, anywhere. Even in places where homosexuality is punishable by death, I'm certain pedophilia is too.[/QUOTE] Well, in some countries you can have a child bride but you get stoned to death for homosexual acts.

I wish people didn't call it a sexual orientation. an orientation is a matter of gender and sex, like, male, female, trans, etc. It's not a fetish, PEDOPHILIA is a [U]paraphilia[/U]. Get it damned right. [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;42990225]Hebephilies and Ephebophiles are just pedophiles with dictionaries.[/QUOTE] so one is a pedophile for banging a 17 year old? yeah umm what the hell are you doing [QUOTE=be;42990422]Fallacious argument? Pedophiles are simply people who are attracted to prepubescent children, and just like homosexuality, it is not their choice. Child molesters deserve to be punished, but as it stands, simply being a pedophile gets you way more shit than being a homosexual will ever get you, anywhere. Even in places where homosexuality is punishable by death, I'm certain pedophilia is too.[/QUOTE] I'd still rather not be grouped together in the same definition if it relates to pedophilia at all. it's way more easy to bash on pedophilia for many, many, many good reasons. Pedo's and homo have no relation to eachother, aside from gay pedos.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];42990438']Well, in some countries you can have a child bride but you get stoned to death for homosexual acts.[/QUOTE] That's a fair point, actually. Well, at least I know for sure in Western nations, pedophiles are treated much worse than homosexuals.

[QUOTE=Katatonic717;42990089]I always thought pedophilia was just a fetish type thing. How is it even remotely a sexual orientation?[/QUOTE] I prefer men? I prefer children? Really, even if it is classified like that it won't justify child molestation.

I think the main point here is that the bill makes "propaganda" of it punishable, which not unlikely includes criticism of said the bill.

I give it 10 years before it's politically correct to support them.