Muslim male hands out pamphlets threatening Homosexuals for religious reasons in 2010, told court he - Polidicks

[release]A 28-year-old man from Derby has told a court he felt he was doing his duty as a Muslim by handing out leaflets that are alleged to be threatening and frightening to homosexuals. Kabir Ahmed said he handed a leaflet called "Death Penalty?" to a passing policeman and put them through people's letterboxes around the Madeley Street area of Derby in July 2010 because he was spreading the word of God as taught by Islam. He said: "My intention was to do my duty as a Muslim, to inform people of God's word and to give the message on what God says about homosexuality." Ahmed, who is married with a nine-month-old daughter, is on trial at Derby Crown Court charged with stirring up hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation, in the first prosecution of its kind since legislation came into force in March 2010. Prosecutor Bobbie Cheema told the court the Death Penalty? leaflet was not educational or informative but was simply "threatening, offensive, frightening and nasty." Giving evidence to the court, Ahmed, wearing a pair of grey trousers and a black shirt, said he had handed one of the Death Penalty? leaflets to Pc Stephen Gregory on July 2 as he was passing by the area of the Jamia Mosque in Rosehill Street following Friday prayers. Ahmed told the court he said to the officer: "Something along the lines of "Is everything okay?" and he said something like, "yes, fine" and I said "I'm not trying to offend anyone."" Ahmed's barrister Zacharias Miah asked him if Pc Gregory had told him he was doing something wrong would he have handed over the bag of leaflets he was carrying and Ahmed replied: "Of course, without a shadow of a doubt." Four other Derby men - Ihjaz Ali, 42, of Fairfax Road, Mehboob Hussain, 45, of Rosehill Street, Umar Javed, 38, of Whittaker Street and his brother Razwan Javed, 28, of Wilfred Street - are also charged with the same offence as Ahmed, of Madeley Street, Derby. All five men deny the charges. Last week Miss Cheema told the court about two other leaflets that were made and used as part of a campaign organised by Ali to publicise a counter-protest in response to the Gay Pride parade due to be held in Derby on July 10, 2010. [/release] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/01/16/kabir-ahmed-defends-calling-for-execution-of-gays_n_1208819.html[/url]

"Not trying to offend anyone" :v:

And yet the WBC can still do their shit. Oh wait its the UK.

Shit like this makes makes me embarrssed to have Muslim roots.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;34243943]And yet the WBC can still do their shit. Oh wait its the UK.[/QUOTE] I'm all for freedom of expression, but the U.S. could really use a law that at least prevents the WBC from going to funerals. They're just going to them to stir up shit.

How is causing terror doing a duty for your religion.

The Qur'an cites the people of Lot who were destroyed by the wrath of God because they engaged in lustful acts between men. Scholars of Islam ruled that Islam disallowed homosexuality and ordained capital punishment for a person guilty of it. So yes, he was doing his duty as a muslim.

What is wrong with people? There is no place in modern day society for such medieval behavour.

[QUOTE=Sumap;34243993]Shit like this makes makes me embarrssed to have Muslim roots.[/QUOTE] Let's be ashamed of a group of people because one guy thinks its cool to publicly hate people.

[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;34244011]I'm all for freedom of expression, but the U.S. could really use a law that at least prevents the WBC from going to funerals. They're just going to them to stir up shit.[/QUOTE] The UK banned the WBC from entering the country :v:

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;34244084]How is causing terror doing a duty for your religion.[/QUOTE] How is passing around pamphlets an act of terror? It's pretty bad and distasteful, but I don't see it as "terrorizing". [editline]16th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Camundongo;34244136]The UK banned the WBC from entering the country :v:[/QUOTE] Now only if the US can ban them from being in the US :v:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34244147]How is passing around pamphlets an act of terror? It's pretty bad and distasteful, but I don't see it as "terrorizing". [/QUOTE] The distress caused by the pamphlet can be classified as terror. inb4 he is a muslim.

[QUOTE=Vasili;34244085]The Qur'an cites the people of Lot who were destroyed by the wrath of God because they engaged in lustful acts between men. Scholars of Islam ruled that Islam disallowed homosexuality and ordained capital punishment for a person guilty of it. So yes, he was doing his duty as a muslim.[/QUOTE] Except that the Qur'an also makes it very clear that any issue of sin is between a person and god, and that humans haven't been sent to govern one each other with their religion. So no, he wasn't doing his duty as a muslim.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34244147]How is passing around pamphlets an act of terror? It's pretty bad and distasteful, but I don't see it as "terrorizing".[/QUOTE] It's also hate speech, so it's got that going for it.

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;34244116]Let's be ashamed of a group of people because one guy thinks its cool to publicly hate people.[/QUOTE] Welcome to Facepunch. I'll take your hat and coat for you, sir. Table for one?

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;34244203]It's also hate speech, so it's got that going for it.[/QUOTE] I was under the impression that hate speech =/= terrorizing

Already posted [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1154398?highlight=[/url]

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;34244199]Except that the Qur'an also makes it very clear that any issue of sin is between a person and god, and that humans haven't been sent to govern one each other with their religion. So no, he wasn't doing his duty as a muslim.[/QUOTE] Doesn't sharia law(s) base itself on dishing out punishments for religiously condemned crimes?

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;34244199]Except that the Qur'an also makes it very clear that any issue of sin is between a person and god, and that humans haven't been sent to govern one each other with their religion. So no, he wasn't doing his duty as a muslim.[/QUOTE] But people don't KNOW that it's an issue between that person and god so he has to tell them that, because ya know God ain't going to do that himself. :v:

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;34244178]The distress caused by the pamphlet can be classified as terror. inb4 he is a muslim.[/QUOTE] i could write "fuk u lol" and cause distress to someone who is entirely overdramatic, doesn't mean i should be jailed for it the guy is a HUGE CUNT but there should be no prosecution by the government. unless he is actually threatening and saying "if i see a homosexual i will execute them myself", which is a serious threat, otherwise he should retain his freedom of speech no matter how deplorable his message is.

He can be Rick Perry's VP

[QUOTE=Conspiracy;34244199]Except that the Qur'an also makes it very clear that any issue of sin is between a person and god, and that humans haven't been sent to govern one each other with their religion. So no, he wasn't doing his duty as a muslim.[/QUOTE] Yet you have Sharia which many Muslims believe as God's law which in turn is dictated by Scholars. Sharia is founded on the words of God as revealed in the Quran, and traditions gathered from the life of the Prophet Muhammad. Though God likes being a hypocrite.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;34244385]otherwise he should retain his freedom of speech no matter how deplorable his message is.[/QUOTE] Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak out against the government, not to spew Religiously charged threats.

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;34244516]Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak out against the government, not to spew Religiously charged threats.[/QUOTE] No that's not freedom of speech, its not as technical as that. Freedom of speech literally is: the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint. If someone shouts with signs 'I hate faggots' then under freedom of speech they would be allowed, even hate speech is still opinionated in its own right.

If he were in America, he would be protected under "anti-bullying" laws. You know, the ones that say that bullying of gays is fine if you say that God told you to do so.

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;34244516]Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak out against the government, not to spew Religiously charged threats.[/QUOTE] really i was unaware that freedom of speech only covered anti-government speech i must have missed that clause where it said only anti-government speech was allowed?

[QUOTE=Jasun;34244290]Already posted [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1154398?highlight=[/url][/QUOTE] Whoopsies. The article said it was under a day old, should of actually searched instead of scanned pages 1 through 3

[QUOTE=Kopimi;34244625]really i was unaware that freedom of speech only covered anti-government speech i must have missed that clause where it said only anti-government speech was allowed?[/QUOTE]There should be one. It's fools like this that are bring society to a standstill.

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;34244694]There should be one. It's fools like this that are bring society to a standstill.[/QUOTE] i take offense to your comment, enjoy your jail time heathen

These pamphlets spread an extremely hateful message! But it's for the almighty Allah! Oh okay then,good job!