• DRAIN THE SWAMP - Mike Pence axes all lobbyists from Trump Transition Team
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[QUOTE=Business Insider]Vice President-elect Mike Pence reportedly ordered the removal of all lobbyists from president-elect Donald Trump's transition team, [URL="http://www.wsj.com/articles/intelligence-expert-mike-rogers-leaves-trump-transition-team-amid-shake-up-1479221847"] The Wall Street Journal wrote on Tuesday night[/URL]. ... The move capped a chaotic day for Trump's transition team. Former Michigan Rep. Mike Rogers, who handled national-security duties, was ousted, as was senior defense and foreign policy official Matthew Freedman. [B] Rogers was told that all team members picked by Christie were being ousted, [/B]The Journal reported, citing a source familiar with the situation. Rogers indicated the team may be in disarray.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-transition-team-lobbyists-2016-11"]Source[/URL]
Tentatively optimistic.
Why am I not surprised the lobbyists were Christie goons.
Don't celebrate too early, Mike Pence is still in charge. Big Chance the next team will still have links to lobbyists. Edit: cannot dismiss that this may have to do with Christie may be going to court.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51378038]Good. Most lobbyists suck and destroy our planet and country with their self-centered objectives.[/QUOTE] Lobbying isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's just that there are these loopholes that other groups are trying to take advantage of. However, lobbying is supposedly protected under the Constitution of "freedom of speech" and "right to petition". I wish to preserve lobbying, but I demand stricter regulations on it.
[url=http://nytimes.com/2016/11/16/us/politics/trump-transition.html]this transition[/url] sounds like a goddamn mess.
Well I mean, with all the meme magic of calling Trump a Nazi, he might as well start the Night of the Long Knives.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51378080]Well I mean, with all the meme magic of calling Trump a Nazi, he might as well start the Night of the Long Knives.[/QUOTE] About that. Might wanna look up how the nazis took over.Trump or even his party isn't the side trying to implement censorship, pay thugs to start riots in the street, hi jacking the media and so on.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51378079][url=http://nytimes.com/2016/11/16/us/politics/trump-transition.html]this transition[/url] sounds like a goddamn mess.[/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/798721142525665280[/media] [I]The Presidential Apprentice[/I]
[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51378078]Lobbying isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's just that there are these loopholes that other groups are trying to take advantage of. However, lobbying is supposedly protected under the Constitution of "freedom of speech" and "right to petition". I wish to preserve lobbying, but I demand stricter regulations on it.[/QUOTE] What lobbyist [i]should[/i] be and what they [i]actually are[/i] are so far removed at this point that the law is utterly pointless. It needs to be scrapped and rewritten completely from scratch specifically to ward off the corporate control that currently sullies the term.
"All lobbyists" I'm noticing Giuliani is still around.
I can't wait until the administration is solidified and we're not sitting around speculating whether Trump is going to choose Hitler or Mussolini's corpse to reanimate and appoint secretary of whatever. It's good news, bad news, every 5 minutes. Someone told me that they're saying Ted Cruz is being considered for attorney general or even a supreme court pick, what a fucking mess. [editline]16th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=PsycheClops;51378078]Lobbying isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's just that there are these loopholes that other groups are trying to take advantage of. However, lobbying is supposedly protected under the Constitution of "freedom of speech" and "right to petition". I wish to preserve lobbying, but I demand stricter regulations on it.[/QUOTE] Honest question, what positive purpose does lobbying serve? Like, what is the optimal function of lobbying? I'm asking because I really don't know.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51378125]What lobbyist [i]should[/i] be and what they [i]actually are[/i] are so far removed at this point that the law is utterly pointless. It needs to be scrapped and rewritten completely from scratch specifically to ward off the corporate control that currently sullies the term.[/QUOTE] The way we are heading now looks like the inverse transition from rule of royalty to rule of people. We got rid of most monarchies because royal families didn't want people having power and became far removed from the people they arose from. Kings were often war heroes or leaders so great that their people instated them with a permanently leadership position as royalty. Our governments are currently set up so that regardless of your bloodline, you can gain power through government office. Right now, the people who enter politics get so far removed from their origins (see Clinton and her middle-class childhood) through corporate influence or wanting ideological control that they stop truly caring about the people that elected them. Trump is looking like he's bringing in half of his family to run the White House because that's the way he's run his company for decades. It feels weird saying that I'm not bothered by this, because I always thought appointing family members and friends was an abuse of power because they were most often unqualified for the job. Somehow this family of billionaires seems more relatable than any politician I've seen in my lifetime, and they're headed by a orange steak salesman living in 3 floors of Victorian gold and marble. There's still plenty of time to fuck up his appointments but I am very excited that we are heading into uncharted territory with a Trump presidency.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51378174]The way we are heading now looks like the inverse transition from rule of royalty to rule of people. We got rid of most monarchies because royal families didn't want people having power and became far removed from the people they arose from. Kings were often war heroes or leaders so great that their people instated them with a permanently leadership position as royalty. Our governments are currently set up so that regardless of your bloodline, you can gain power through government office. Right now, the people who enter politics get so far removed from their origins (see Clinton and her middle-class childhood) through corporate influence or wanting ideological control that they stop truly caring about the people that elected them. Trump is looking like he's bringing in half of his family to run the White House because that's the way he's run his company for decades. It feels weird saying that I'm not bothered by this, because I always thought appointing family members and friends was an abuse of power because they were most often unqualified for the job. Somehow this family of billionaires seems more relatable than any politician I've seen in my lifetime, and they're headed by a orange steak salesman living in 3 floors of Victorian gold and marble. There's still plenty of time to fuck up his appointments but I am very excited that we are heading into uncharted territory with a Trump presidency.[/QUOTE] can i please have what you're smoking please none of them are qualified for being anywhere near a head of state position
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51378174]Trump is looking like he's bringing in half of his family to run the White House because that's the way he's run his company for decades. It feels weird saying that I'm not bothered by this, because I always thought appointing family members and friends was an abuse of power because they were most often unqualified for the job. Somehow this family of billionaires seems more relatable than any politician I've seen in my lifetime, and they're headed by a orange steak salesman living in 3 floors of Victorian gold and marble.[/QUOTE] dude...memes have literally ruined your brain
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51378210]can i please have what you're smoking please none of them are qualified for being anywhere near a head of state position[/QUOTE] You seem to have your thinking reversed. Trump's qualifications will be the new bar for POTUS, because he will be the POTUS in two months.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51378228]You seem to have your thinking reversed. Trump's qualifications will be the new bar for POTUS, because he will be the POTUS in two months.[/QUOTE] So what does this mean? That anyone can become president?
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51378236]So what does this mean? That anyone can become president?[/QUOTE] ah yes because i want a man with no political experience to be running a country what next, are you going to unironically support yeezy 2020
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51378236]So what does this mean? That anyone can become president?[/QUOTE] Constitution gives the rules for becoming president in a technical sense. Trump rewrote the rules for becoming president in a practical sense. Military experience or previous public office no longer required. Again everything is new territory with Trump as POTUS, and I find it exciting to see where it goes.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51378244]Constitution gives the rules for becoming president in a technical sense. Trump rewrote the rules for becoming president in a practical sense. Military experience or previous public office no longer required. Again everything is new territory with Trump as POTUS, and I find it exciting to see where it goes.[/QUOTE] i find it "exciting" much like i find being on a plane in a free fall "exciting"
[QUOTE=Fort83;51378242]Wow you not bothered by something Trump does. What a shocker.[/QUOTE] His kids have about as much business qualifications as he does, they don't seem like they want to mooch of their dad's power, rather they look more eager to help him succeed. Of course this is TBD but I am optimistic with how things will turn out.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51378248]His kids have about as much business qualifications as he does, they don't seem like they want to mooch of their dad's power, rather they look more eager to help him succeed. Of course this is TBD but I am optimistic with how things will turn out.[/QUOTE] but what [B]political[/B] qualifications do any of them have serious question. the oval office is not something you can just waltz into
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51378244]Constitution gives the rules for becoming president in a technical sense. Trump rewrote the rules for becoming president in a practical sense. Military experience or previous public office no longer required. Again everything is new territory with Trump as POTUS, and I find it exciting to see where it goes.[/QUOTE] Oh you actually think that he lower the bar and THAT'S A GOOD THING? I was being snarky and thought you were trying to say that he raised the bar when it came to being an """"""""""honest"""""""""" politician.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51378174]The way we are heading now looks like the inverse transition from rule of royalty to rule of people. Somehow this family of billionaires seems more relatable than any politician I've seen in my lifetime[/QUOTE] but trump is literally the 1% of the 1%. he's THE royalty. he's a con artist and a crazy liar. you've just drunken the kool-aid if you think someone like trump, who's lived a life of scamming people out of their very souls, is 'for the people,' a guy who hired convicted scam artists for trump university. I've never seen someone so delusional [editline]16th November 2016[/editline] not to mention it doesn't even really lower the bar at all. trump is a huge celebrity, which is the only reason why he's so elevated. tons of people with no experience run for office every 4 years, but they don't have money and fame like trump does. This changes nothing.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51378174]The way we are heading now looks like the inverse transition from rule of royalty to rule of people. Trump is looking like he's bringing in half of his family to run the White House because that's the way he's run his company for decades. It feels weird saying that I'm not bothered by this, because I always thought appointing family members and friends was an abuse of power because they were most often unqualified for the job. Somehow this family of billionaires seems more relatable than any politician I've seen in my lifetime, and they're headed by a orange steak salesman living in 3 floors of Victorian gold and marble.[/QUOTE] I'm trying to figure out your initial sentence. Rule from royalty to people is happening in inverse, meaning that rule of people to royalty is taking place. Because it's really hard to see otherwise. Political dynasties like Clintons and Kennedys are an affront to democracy because it ruins genuine representation and weaves tight nets of conflicts of interests. Trump has an added benefit of heving vast business interests and influence, and this is somehow a good thing because of they're "relatable".
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51378236]So what does this mean? That anyone can become president?[/QUOTE] Yes, if there was a desire that someone have political experience before obtaining the POTUS position then it would have been listed as a requirement in the Constitution. Its not ideal that someone have no political experience. But sometimes outsiders are needed in the process. There is an age requirement for POTUS which was designed so that someone would have life experience. There are reason to avoid such requirements because it results in a very self-serving attitude in government. If things are run by appointment. Unfortunately, one cannot ban political parties. Much to the desire of some of those who founded this nation. But there can be steps made to limit them. Much of which has eroded over time.
[QUOTE=Kigen;51378334]Yes, if there was a desire that someone have political experience before obtaining the POTUS position then it would have been listed as a requirement in the Constitution. Its not ideal that someone have no political experience. But sometimes outsiders are needed in the process. There is an age requirement for POTUS which was designed so that someone would have life experience. There are reason to avoid such requirements because it results in a very self-serving attitude in government. If things are run by appointment. Unfortunately, one cannot ban political parties. Much to the desire of some of those who founded this nation. But there can be steps made to limit them. Much of which has eroded over time.[/QUOTE] I'm fine with anyone becoming president, but... should people with zero political experience be elected to run a country in modern America?
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51378210]can i please have what you're smoking please [/QUOTE] Cults of personality are one hell of a drug.
[QUOTE=Vlevs;51378331]I'm trying to figure out your initial sentence. Rule from royalty to people is happening in inverse, meaning that rule of people to royalty is taking place. Because it's really hard to see otherwise. Political dynasties like Clintons and Kennedys are an affront to democracy because it ruins genuine representation and weaves tight nets of conflicts of interests. Trump has an added benefit of heving vast business interests and influence, and this is somehow a good thing because of they're "relatable".[/QUOTE] I'm sick of presidential and political dynasties like you've said which is why I find it weird now thinking having the Trump family run the White House for 4 years will be a good thing. Uncharted territory into a different kind of dynasty and yet I'm excited anyway. If he ends up apppinting Donald Hoffman as SoE I will probably never question him again. Its gonna be a long two months while we find out the results.
[QUOTE=Naught;51378281] not to mention it doesn't even really lower the bar at all. trump is a huge celebrity, which is the only reason why he's so elevated. tons of people with no experience run for office every 4 years, but they don't have money and fame like trump does. [B]This changes nothing.[/B][/QUOTE] This makes it worse. If Trump, a retard with no political experience can get into office with meme magic and being a reality TV star, more retards like him will try to run based on their fame. [editline]16th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51378376]I'm sick of presidential and political dynasties like you've said which is why I find it weird now thinking having the Trump family run the White House for 4 years will be a good thing. Uncharted territory into a different kind of dynasty and yet I'm excited anyway. If he ends up apppinting Donald Hoffman as SoE I will probably never question him again. Its gonna be a long two months while we find out the results.[/QUOTE] An astronaut on the ISS doing a spacewalk without his/her space suit is also uncharted territory.
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