Musk Confirms Model 3 Price: $35k; Model X $5k more than S - Polidicks

[quote]Tesla Motors Inc. Chief Executive Elon Musk took to Twitter on Wednesday to give a firmer deadline and price for the company’s Model 3, the mass-market car that many expect is the electric-car manufacturer’s make-it-or-break-it offering.[/quote] [url]http://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-model-3-to-cost-35k-preorders-start-in-march-2015-09-02[/url]

I really hope to get a model 3

Model x starts rolling off the assembly line Sept 29

I doubt I'll be economically in a position in 2 years to get a model 3, but damn I'll dream

I definitely plan on my next car to be something like the Model 3, though hopefully other manufacturers will have started putting out competing models by then. My current car is only 2 years old, gunna be using it for at least 6.

with the money I might pull in thanks to the US Navy, I'm strongly considering this.

Personally I'm going to wait till they've ironed out the kinks and have more supercharger locations available in Australia. Most are at casinos and other high profile locations I'll basically never go near.

[QUOTE=Saza;48603846]with the money I might pull in thanks to the US Navy, I'm strongly considering this.[/QUOTE] If you're an Officer okay but if you're not don't do it. You can't afford it with an E-3 and below paycheck.

Is that before or after tax credits? That should be something I can afford in 2 years. Hopefully once they come out there isn't a stupidly long wait.

Unfortunately, electric cars still aren't viable in most places unless you never plan to drive it very far. You're more likely to find places to charge them around cities, but at the same time, you're less likely to have a car in cities or have the need to charge it assuming you live in the area.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48603983]If you're an Officer okay but if you're not don't do it. You can't afford it with an E-3 and below paycheck.[/QUOTE] and what it it's just a supplement to other funds

[QUOTE=elfbarf;48604794]Unfortunately, electric cars still aren't viable in most places unless you never plan to drive it very far. You're more likely to find places to charge them around cities, but at the same time, you're less likely to have a car in cities or have the need to charge it assuming you live in the area.[/QUOTE] Except they go about as far on a charge as some cars do on a full tank. Just charge it at home and unless you're looking at massive travel times where you have to fill up more than once in a day you'll be okay. If you're driving over 250 miles in a day you're either a truck driver or someone who really needs to find a new job or move closer to work.

[QUOTE=draugur;48604874]Except they go about as far on a charge as some cars do on a full tank. Just charge it at home and unless you're looking at massive travel times where you have to fill up more than once in a day you'll be okay. If you're driving over 250 miles in a day you're either a truck driver or someone who really needs to find a new job or move closer to work.[/QUOTE] Or you're someone who wants to go on vacation without having to fly and rent a car, which (especially for a family with children) tends to be far more expensive. Especially if your destination is only a few hours away, like when I go to visit relatives in Pennsylvania (driving from southeast Virginia). If I was able to drive that far in an electric car, I'd potentially be a bit screwed once I arrived unless my destination had somewhere I could plug in and charge (if at all, not even taking into account in a reasonable amount of time). I live in a fairly populous area, but for example, when I fly internationally (which I've done several times in the last year, as I'm in a very long distance relationship) I have to drive 185 miles to Washington DC unless I want to pay considerably higher fares and face long layovers. While a $70,000 Tesla can handle that (though it's potentially cutting it close), a Nissan Leaf cannot. At this point we don't know what the range of the Model 3 will be, but I'd be surprised if it was any better than 200 miles unless Tesla has found a way to lower production costs. For a person (or family) with a single car they present potential issues that are only really solved by having a second car. If you have access to an alternative gas vehicle, then they're potentially a strong (though still very cost prohibitive) option.

[QUOTE=elfbarf;48605010]Or you're someone who wants to go on vacation without having to fly and rent a car, which (especially for a family with children) tends to be far more expensive. Especially if your destination is only a few hours away, like when I go to visit relatives in Pennsylvania (driving from southeast Virginia). If I was able to drive that far in an electric car, I'd potentially be a bit screwed once I arrived unless my destination had somewhere I could plug in and charge (if at all, not even taking into account in a reasonable amount of time). I live in a fairly populous area, but for example, when I fly internationally (which I've done several times in the last year, as I'm in a very long distance relationship) I have to drive 185 miles to Washington DC unless I want to pay considerably higher fares and face long layovers. While a $70,000 Tesla can handle that (though it's potentially cutting it close), a Nissan Leaf cannot. At this point we don't know what the range of the Model 3 will be, but I'd be surprised if it was any better than 200 miles unless Tesla has found a way to lower production costs. For a person (or family) with a single car they present potential issues that are only really solved by having a second car. If you have access to an alternative gas vehicle, then they're potentially a strong (though still very cost prohibitive) option.[/QUOTE] If you can only afford a single car you're not going to be in the market for a $35000 niche market vehicle. The market for the Tesla is middle class and up people who either only need general commute or can afford more than one car. No one is logically going to only own a Tesla at this point if they can't afford to have a cheaper gas car for trips and the tesla for normal commute or just doesn't take trips. Also the range on the Model 3 is confirmed to be at least 250 miles.

[QUOTE=draugur;48605077]If you can only afford a single car you're not going to be in the market for a $35000 niche market vehicle. The market for the Tesla is middle class and up people who either only need general commute or can afford more than one car. No one is logically going to only own a Tesla at this point if they can't afford to have a cheaper gas car for trips and the tesla for normal commute or just doesn't take trips. Also the range on the Model 3 is confirmed to be at least 250 miles.[/QUOTE] Yeah, so I hope that people stop calling tesla cars the saviour of the automotive industry because these things still aren't very affordable. When someone makes a car with a decent 250 or better range that's cheap enough to be a direct competitor to something like a Ford focus, that's when you get excited

That sounds really cheap for something like that... Intrigued.

[QUOTE=draugur;48605077]If you can only afford a single car you're not going to be in the market for a $35000 niche market vehicle. The market for the Tesla is middle class and up people who either only need general commute or can afford more than one car. No one is logically going to only own a Tesla at this point if they can't afford to have a cheaper gas car for trips and the tesla for normal commute or just doesn't take trips. Also the range on the Model 3 is confirmed to be at least 250 miles.[/QUOTE] What? A Tesla even with 200 miles range is good enough for use as a single car, especially in the US. Tesla have Superchargers.. which are free to use (at least for the Model S and X). These can give you ~200 mile charge in 30 - 45 mins. This is a map of where they are expected to be in the US by the end of 2016, the 3 doesn't start production at least until the end of 2017. [thumb]http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/images/supercharger/maps/2016-northamerica.jpg?201509012[/thumb] You could drive from the west coast to the east coast for free if you so wished..

[QUOTE=Morgen;48606320]What? A Tesla even with 200 miles range is good enough for use as a single car, especially in the US. Tesla have Superchargers.. which are free to use (at least for the Model S and X). These can give you ~200 mile charge in 30 - 45 mins. This is a map of where they are expected to be in the US by the end of 2016, the 3 doesn't start production at least until the end of 2017. [thumb]http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/images/supercharger/maps/2016-northamerica.jpg?201509012[/thumb] You could drive from the west coast to the east coast for free if you so wished..[/QUOTE] You see that big ol' void that stretches between New Mexico and Texas? That's where I live, smack dab in the middle of that. :/

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;48606428]You see that big ol' void that stretches between New Mexico and Texas? That's where I live, smack dab in the middle of that. :/[/QUOTE] The void isn't that large. If you set off from home with a full charge you should have more than enough range to make it to a Supercharger in just about any direction you chose. The only inconvenience I can see is if you wanted to go straight east you would have to go either north or south to charge first. I'm going to guess though that Tesla will spend 2017 filling up any voids > 200 miles in the Supercharger network so that it doesn't present an issue for the Model 3.

Does the Tesla use a 220v charger? It would only seem logical and the best/fastest way.

[QUOTE=Morgen;48606463]The void isn't that large. If you set off from home with a full charge you should have more than enough range to make it to a Supercharger in just about any direction you chose. The only inconvenience I can see is if you wanted to go straight east you would have to go either north or south to charge first. I'm going to guess though that Tesla will spend 2017 filling up any voids > 200 miles in the Supercharger network so that it doesn't present an issue for the Model 3.[/QUOTE] [img]http://puu.sh/jYAcI/34c24558c5.jpg[/img] Not that large [img]http://puu.sh/jYAky/3448ad1ec4.jpg[/img] Right

[QUOTE=apierce1289;48606536]Does the Tesla use a 220v charger? It would only seem logical and the best/fastest way.[/QUOTE] 240 or 110, adapters for anything. [url]http://www.teslamotors.com/models-charging#/outlet[/url] [editline]3rd September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sitkero;48606542][img]http://puu.sh/jYAcI/34c24558c5.jpg[/img] Not that large [img]http://puu.sh/jYAky/3448ad1ec4.jpg[/img] Right[/QUOTE] Those are all doable in a Model S if you drive smartly. Grandview to Wheaton is doable even if you don't drive smartly.

[QUOTE=Sitkero;48606542][img]http://puu.sh/jYAcI/34c24558c5.jpg[/img] Not that large [img]http://puu.sh/jYAky/3448ad1ec4.jpg[/img] Right[/QUOTE] Looks like they are going to put a Supercharger just north of Pecos taking the trip to about 200 miles between chargers. The Model S and X can handle these ranges just fine and they have another year for Supercharger developments in addition to that map before the Model 3 comes out.

[QUOTE=OvB;48606550]240 or 110, adapters for anything. [url]http://www.teslamotors.com/models-charging#/outlet[/url] [editline]3rd September 2015[/editline] Those are all doable in a Model S if you drive smartly. Grandview to Wheaton is doable even if you don't drive smartly.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, it's totally doable, not disputing that, just saying that void isn't what I'd call 'not that large'

[QUOTE=Sitkero;48606680]Oh yeah, it's totally doable, not disputing that, just saying that void isn't what I'd call 'not that large'[/QUOTE] Well it's not that large as in the car can do it just fine. Adding any more chargers than that is just for convenience sake.

[QUOTE=.Lain;48604858]and what it it's just a supplement to other funds[/QUOTE] Because usually E-3 and below aren't the type of people who have large sources of income, or else they wouldn't be E-3 and below.

Also keep in mind that it's probably not worth your time to supercharge for simple everyday style commutes. a) lithium batteries charge much more slowly when you get to full -- side note here, you generally shouldn't charge the car to 100% because that kills lithium batteries. b) even if you are only going to 80%, just topping it off is going to be a few minutes at a supercharger, which charges the fastest below 50%. Meaning that it becomes a question if, is it better to spend an extra half hour combined on the road to take the detour to the supercharger, and waiting to charge for every day commutes, or is it better to just go straight home and plug in there. Yeah the cars are stupidly low maintenance, and yea, you don't have to pay for electricity at a supercharger, but tire wear and your personal time are costs. Seems to me that it's better to just go straight home unless there's a supercharger on a sub 3-4 minute detour, and you keep your car at or below 50% battery charge for cruising around town, By the time that you get to that point, your daily commute distances are pitiful, and your probably paying a dollar or two per day for electricity at most, so it's probably still not worth it the effort. If you go on a road trip, bump it up to full charge and accept (for the time being), that you will have to go directly for a major highway to get onto the supercharge network, instead of being able to just cut across country in a straight line.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;48607207]Also keep in mind that it's probably not worth your time to supercharge for simple everyday style commutes. a) lithium batteries charge much more slowly when you get to full -- side note here, you generally shouldn't charge the car to 100% because that kills lithium batteries. b) even if you are only going to 80%, just topping it off is going to be a few minutes at a supercharger, which charges the fastest below 50%. Meaning that it becomes a question if, is it better to spend an extra half hour combined on the road to take the detour to the supercharger, and waiting to charge for every day commutes, or is it better to just go straight home and plug in there. Yeah the cars are stupidly low maintenance, and yea, you don't have to pay for electricity at a supercharger, but tire wear and your personal time are costs. Seems to me that it's better to just go straight home unless there's a supercharger on a sub 3-4 minute detour, and you keep your car at or below 50% battery charge for cruising around town, By the time that you get to that point, your daily commute distances are pitiful, and your probably paying a dollar or two per day for electricity at most, so it's probably still not worth it the effort. If you go on a road trip, bump it up to full charge and accept (for the time being), that you will have to go directly for a major highway to get onto the supercharge network, instead of being able to just cut across country in a straight line.[/QUOTE] If you don't need to use the Supercharger then don't. It's intended for long distance travel, not making your daily commute free. Tesla will warn you if you abuse the system. [QUOTE] The Supercharger Network’s intent remains to expand and enhance your long distance travel while providing the flexibility for occasional needed use during local trips. Our goal is to provide the best charging experience, keeping charge times low to get you back on the road as quickly as possible. As a frequent user of local Superchargers, we ask that you decrease your local Supercharging and promptly move your Model S once charging is complete…. [/QUOTE] The car is also quite good at managing the battery. It encourages you to charge it no more than 80% unless you really need it. It also has a "range mode" if you really need to push the limits on the range to get somewhere, disabling the AC and heater for the cabin as well as the battery, which will limit the power you can get from the battery so you can't accelerate quite as fast as well as limiting regen braking power. For cold environments though Range Mode will use the seat heaters instead of the cabin heater.

I'm aware of that. I'm merely pointing out that economically it becomes largely pointless to use the superchargers for every day commutes. Now if you travel 160 miles round trip to work several days of the week, then it starts to have an advantage because you can do other things with the car when you get home.

[QUOTE=Morgen;48606463]The void isn't that large. If you set off from home with a full charge you should have more than enough range to make it to a Supercharger in just about any direction you chose. The only inconvenience I can see is if you wanted to go straight east you would have to go either north or south to charge first. I'm going to guess though that Tesla will spend 2017 filling up any voids > 200 miles in the Supercharger network so that it doesn't present an issue for the Model 3.[/QUOTE] That's my main concern with it, the only directions I would have any business traveling to on a road-trip (Lubbock/Amarillo, TX to visit my little brother, and Las Vegas, NV for my older sister) are practically completely lacking in chargers up until you reach a certain point. Not that it matters, my current job barely keeps me above the poverty line, I won't have to worry about where to plug in an electric car for ages, if I ever have to worry at all.