US to give up control of the domain name system - Polidicks

[url]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-usa-internet-domainnames-idUKBREA2D1YH20140314[/url] [quote]A division of the U.S. Commerce Department said on Friday it would give up control of the group that manages much of the architecture of the Internet, including the parceling out of domain names. The National Telecommunications and Information Administration said in a statement it would shift those tasks to "the global multistakeholder community." NTIA's role includes administering changes to the database that contains the list of names and addresses of all so-called "top level" Internet domains, including the commonly used ".com," .edu," ".info," and others. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, a nonprofit organization, will help launch a process to transition away from the current, U.S.-government-run Internet domain name system. "The timing is right to start the transition process," said Lawrence Strickling, U.S. assistant secretary of commerce for communications and information. "We look forward to ICANN convening stakeholders across the global Internet community to craft an appropriate transition plan."[/quote]

Not entirely sure we can trust this to private institutions, then again its not like the american government is in any way accountable to its populace.

this seems good? I don't know. Was there anything wrong with the system the way it is now to how this will be? It [I]seems[/I] like it might be less secure this way but I don't even know if that's a thing in this situation

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;44238700]Not entirely sure we can trust this to private institutions, then again its not like the american government is in any way accountable to its populace.[/QUOTE] the ICANN (and by extension the IANA) already run the fucking internet. The IANA administers the allocation of IP blocks, administers data in top level domain name servers, administers internet protocols etc. I don't think we have to worry about anything.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44238722]the ICANN (and by extension the IANA) already run the fucking internet.[/QUOTE] Well not entirely, they are not an unquestionable authority worldwide.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;44238759]Well not entirely, they are not an unquestionable authority worldwide.[/QUOTE] What do you mean?

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44238784]What do you mean?[/QUOTE] They can bar you from "top level" domains, but they cant say, boot the .dk out of the world, so they dont hold the internet in any sort of stranglehold, thus arent controlling it.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;44238865]They can bar you from "top level" domains, but they cant say, boot the .dk out of the world, so they dont hold the internet in any sort of stranglehold, thus arent controlling it.[/QUOTE] They could make a proposal to remove the .dk domain, and if it passed, it wouldn't be a valid domain even if they don't control it. While it would be difficult to do something like that, they have the ability to do it.

[QUOTE=supersnail11;44238932]They could make a proposal to remove the .dk domain, and if it passed, it wouldn't be a valid domain even if they don't control it. While it would be difficult to do something like that, they have the ability to do it.[/QUOTE] Its not going to stop all the software and servers running the .dk domain, neither is it going to stop us from flashing our pale danish asses in corporate america's fat face. To boycott and actively bar all .dk services theyd have to do extensive and intrusive political moves into the EU and norway, there is just no way they could carry all that shit out without a major public backlash, So no, they cant boot .dk off the web without self immolating.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;44238981]Its not going to stop all the software and servers running the .dk domain, neither is it going to stop us from flashing our pale danish asses in corporate america's fat face. To boycott and actively bar all .dk services theyd have to do extensive and intrusive political moves into the EU and norway, there is just no way they could carry all that shit out without a major public backlash, So no, they cant boot .dk off the web without self immolating.[/QUOTE] do you know what a dns server does? a dns server turns facepunch.com into 141.101.121.52. they have the ability to make your domain name not resolve into an IP address. (don't mention the redundancy in dns server)

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44239002]do you know what a dns server does? a dns server turns facepunch.com into 141.101.121.52. they have the ability to make your domain name not resolve into an IP address.[/QUOTE] And what? The rest of the world shrugs ang goes "Well thats our evil totalitarian corporate dictators for ya." What happens when EU finds out there is another rogue american corporation, this time carrying out massive country-wide internet blackouts on its members?. We would be back up and running, and ICANN would be apologizing in a matter of hours.

wow are you paranoid or what

The whole reason ICANN has the authority to set TLDs and the like is because countries give it to them, technically there's nothing stopping you from using any random group of letters as a TLD, but nobody allows stuff like that because they know it'd be a mess. So yes, ICANN could revoke a TLD from a country, but odds are it's because the country would let them do it.

Watch this, like most commons that become privatized to go to shit because corporations have so much sway.

Back to the actual article, what were this group responsible for and who's going to take over? Because Verisign control .com and do so in perpetuity.

[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;44239042]The whole reason ICANN has the authority to set TLDs and the like is because countries give it to them, technically there's nothing stopping you from using any random group of letters as a TLD, but nobody allows stuff like that because they know it'd be a mess. So yes, ICANN could revoke a TLD from a country, but odds are it's because the country would let them do it.[/QUOTE] But anyone [I]can[/I] use any random set of letters as a TLD, you just have to pay for it. $185,000 for registration, and ongoing quarterly fees which are at least $6,250.

Yes, not, because they changed the rules. What I mean is that there's no technical limitation against it, the fact it wasn't allowed was because nobody wanted it, etc.

[QUOTE=deadeye536;44239106]But anyone [I]can[/I] use any random set of letters as a TLD, you just have to pay for it. $185,000 for registration, and ongoing quarterly fees which are at least $6,250.[/QUOTE] finally, .penis shall be mine.

This is good because it stops IANA from being mostly run by just Americans.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;44239025]And what? The rest of the world shrugs ang goes "Well thats our evil totalitarian corporate dictators for ya." What happens when EU finds out there is another rogue american corporation, this time carrying out massive country-wide internet blackouts on its members?. We would be back up and running, and ICANN would be apologizing in a matter of hours.[/QUOTE]That doesn't even DO anything, though. Even without a dns server, all you need is the ip. DNS is a convenience, not a necessity.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;44238981]Its not going to stop all the software and servers running the .dk domain, neither is it going to stop us from flashing our pale danish asses in corporate america's fat face. To boycott and actively bar all .dk services theyd have to do extensive and intrusive political moves into the EU and norway, there is just no way they could carry all that shit out without a major public backlash, So no, they cant boot .dk off the web without self immolating.[/QUOTE] Here's DNS in nutshell if they removed .dk: Your computer: "Yo wassup DNS! What's happenin?" DNS: "Not much." Comp: "A'ight. Hey, can you get me the IP for 'danmedj.dk'? DNS: "Nah man. I can't find that." Comp: "Serious? Ah well. I'm told its 62.242.2.215. I'll give that a shot. Hey, it works." It would be an inconvenience, but its pretty easy for anyone with a basic understanding of networks to work around.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;44239025]And what? The rest of the world shrugs ang goes "Well thats our evil totalitarian corporate dictators for ya." What happens when EU finds out there is another rogue american corporation, this time carrying out massive country-wide internet blackouts on its members?. We would be back up and running, and ICANN would be apologizing in a matter of hours.[/QUOTE] why are you so aggressive chill out.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;44239025]And what? The rest of the world shrugs ang goes "Well thats our evil totalitarian corporate dictators for ya." What happens when EU finds out there is another rogue american corporation, this time carrying out massive country-wide internet blackouts on its members?. We would be back up and running, and ICANN would be apologizing in a matter of hours.[/QUOTE] Raaaahhhhh we're coming for you!

[QUOTE=Demache;44241041]Here's DNS in nutshell if they removed .dk: Your computer: "Yo wassup DNS! What's happenin?" DNS: "Not much." Comp: "A'ight. Hey, can you get me the IP for 'danmedj.dk'? DNS: "Nah man. I can't find that." Comp: "Serious? Ah well. I'm told its 62.242.2.215. I'll give that a shot. Hey, it works." It would be an inconvenience, but its pretty easy for anyone with a basic understanding of networks to work around.[/QUOTE] Until the cache expires. Once it expires, you have to know the IP or use a DNS server that for some reason still maintained records on .dk.

[QUOTE=supersnail11;44241535]Until the cache expires. Once it expires, you have to know the IP or use a DNS server that for some reason still maintained records on .dk.[/QUOTE] The government/some non-profit could open up a DNS server in Denmark that maintains it (and pulls DNS data for everyone else from Google or someone), then just get the ISPs/people to use that as a primary DNS.